Is De Bruyne actually any good? i cant remember him doing anything of note whilst at Chelsea!
Manchester United Summer Transfer Window 2015: What do we still need?
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He might not have done, but he is doing it for Wolfsburg.
tbh i havent really seen him play that much, Just keep seeing his name pop up in this type of thread.
I think he has 9 goals and 16 assists in the league.
Right back (Alves or Clyne)
Centre back
Box to box midfielder (Pogba)
Attacking winger (Depay/Bale but he's not coming)
That's what we need. I think we should stick with Rooney upfront on his own. As back up we have RVP and Wilson. Depay to rotate with Di Maria, Mata and Young.
Centre back
Box to box midfielder (Pogba)
Attacking winger (Depay/Bale but he's not coming)
That's what we need. I think we should stick with Rooney upfront on his own. As back up we have RVP and Wilson. Depay to rotate with Di Maria, Mata and Young.
Alves is rubbish nowadays, and there's no way Pogba is coming back.
I agree we shouldn't be looking to deal with big numbers of players - last season we sort of had to since Sir Alex had had quite a few poor windows in his later years, and Moyes almost completely wasted his two, so we did need to deal in numbers both in and out. There's still a bit to do with exits, but established players arriving in big numbers won't help the team's cohesion. The only way I think we should be bring in large numbers of players this summer is if a lot of them are kids (relatively speaking) for the future.
The Glazers may not be complete cnuts as owners but they are still businessmen. No way they will splash out £60m on Pogba, when we sold him for free only 3 years ago.
Probably. But he could be the difference between being a good champions league team and actually competing. You never know after last summer too.
Laporte, Xhaka, Schneiderlin, Memphis for me. Everything else wouldn't be as important for me. I'd like us to buy Geis as well and loan him out straight away.
If woody pulls his finger out and we get business done early and quickly then 4 or 5 new faces shouldn't be an issue. We can then focus on pre season and the new players will get a full preseason for us under their belt and have plenty of time before the new season starts to bed themselves into the United way of things.
I don't buy this thing of buying players when the season is already underway.
Watched Javi Martinez highlight reel - decided he's the man to take over from Carrick.
DDG
Valencia - Smalling - Hummels - Shaw
Martinez
Mata - Herrera - Koke - Di Maria
Rooney
Subs: Valdes, Blind, Carrick, Depay, Fellaini, Januzaj
Valencia - Smalling - Hummels - Shaw
Martinez
Mata - Herrera - Koke - Di Maria
Rooney
Subs: Valdes, Blind, Carrick, Depay, Fellaini, Januzaj
Bale, Pogba , Clyne.
That'd do it imo.
That'd do it imo.
Out:
Henriquez £5 m
Evans £5 m,
Rafael £8 m,
Hernandez £10 m,
Powell £3 m,
DDG £40 m ,
Lindegaard/Amos £6 m
+ £10 m from the winter sales
Janujaz/Pereira loans £10 m.
In:
Clyne £15 m
Hummels £30 m
Lapotre £25m
Pogba £55 m
Cavani £40 m
Krul (second choice behin Valdes) £6 m
Nani home.
Net spend a thrifty £79 M.
Henriquez £5 m
Evans £5 m,
Rafael £8 m,
Hernandez £10 m,
Powell £3 m,
DDG £40 m ,
Lindegaard/Amos £6 m
+ £10 m from the winter sales
Janujaz/Pereira loans £10 m.
In:
Clyne £15 m
Hummels £30 m
Lapotre £25m
Pogba £55 m
Cavani £40 m
Krul (second choice behin Valdes) £6 m
Nani home.
Net spend a thrifty £79 M.
No centre backs?
People need to get this thought out of their head. If valdes is our number 1 keeper next year then we are screwed he's utter crap. Don't want him anywhere near our first 11. I'd even be happy if he left us and went to liverpool. He's no better than mignolet.
See this is the problem with these forums, sometimes you just can't tell if people are been serious or not.
I hope LvG has a clear picture of what he wants now, and hopefully the 433 is here to stay.
That said, I'd like 22 players, one for each position, then a few youth to fill in the gaps.
People who need to go are: Rafael, Evans, Lindegaard, RVP, Henrique, Nani, Falcao
Personally, I would actually keep Rafael, but he does seem out of favour, so makes the list
De Gea, may make the list unfortunately, but for now, I will hang on a thread of hope
De Gea, Valdes
Clyne, Valencia
Smalling - Jones
Hummels, Rojo
Shaw, Blind
Carrick, Khedira
Herrera, Schneiderlin
Fellaini,
Bale, Mata
Di Maria, Januzaj
Rooney, Vietto
I know the above may seem a bit on the FMish side of things, but as a whole, I don't think its that unrealistic though.
I chose Vietto because Rooney is still the main striker, and its hard to find somebody willing to sit on the bench. Not saying Vietto would be happy, but as a less established striker, I think it's easier to accept. Lacazette would be a more preferred choice, but would want to start. Dybala seems like a potential one season wonder with an massively inflated price.
As for Khedira, I think it would be an excellent piece of business. A very good box to box style midfielder who can defend exceptionally well, and can still get forward to support when needed, and on a free, to me, would be a no brainer.
That said, I'd like 22 players, one for each position, then a few youth to fill in the gaps.
People who need to go are: Rafael, Evans, Lindegaard, RVP, Henrique, Nani, Falcao
Personally, I would actually keep Rafael, but he does seem out of favour, so makes the list
De Gea, may make the list unfortunately, but for now, I will hang on a thread of hope
De Gea, Valdes
Clyne, Valencia
Smalling - Jones
Hummels, Rojo
Shaw, Blind
Carrick, Khedira
Herrera, Schneiderlin
Fellaini,
Bale, Mata
Di Maria, Januzaj
Rooney, Vietto
I know the above may seem a bit on the FMish side of things, but as a whole, I don't think its that unrealistic though.
I chose Vietto because Rooney is still the main striker, and its hard to find somebody willing to sit on the bench. Not saying Vietto would be happy, but as a less established striker, I think it's easier to accept. Lacazette would be a more preferred choice, but would want to start. Dybala seems like a potential one season wonder with an massively inflated price.
As for Khedira, I think it would be an excellent piece of business. A very good box to box style midfielder who can defend exceptionally well, and can still get forward to support when needed, and on a free, to me, would be a no brainer.
RB Clyne (Danilo, but he's going to Real Madrid seemingly)
CB Laporte
CDM Schneiderlin
B2B Gündoğan (Pogba is unlikely imo)
WG Depay
ST Lacazette/Vietto
CB Laporte
CDM Schneiderlin
B2B Gündoğan (Pogba is unlikely imo)
WG Depay
ST Lacazette/Vietto
Having read Hummels' recent quotes, to me, he's definitely leaving this summer, and I'm 90% sure that we'll be the ones to sign him. I'm not really sure about Hummels in the EPL, but if he can successfully adapt to EPL, he'll be a great player for us. If not, he'll be another expensive failure.
What's laughable is basing your opinion solely on stats.
I think you have went a bit overboard but I agree with the base point that Valdes is not good enough to be our main keeper, he's not even suited to the league.
Changed my mind again 
IN:
Vidal - 30M
Lacazette - 25M
Clyne - 15M
= 70M
OUT:
Young - 10M
Hernandez - 10M
Nani - 10M
Evans - 7M
Van Persie - 10M
= 47M
NET = 23M
IN:
Vidal - 30M
Lacazette - 25M
Clyne - 15M
= 70M
OUT:
Young - 10M
Hernandez - 10M
Nani - 10M
Evans - 7M
Van Persie - 10M
= 47M
NET = 23M
De Gea (Valdes)
Clyne (Valencia) - Smalling (Jones) - Rojo (Jones) - Shaw (Rojo)
Carrick (Blind)
Mata (Januzaj) - Vidal (Herrera) - Herrera (Fellaini) - Di Maria (Lacazette)
Rooney (Lacazette)
Valdes - Rojo - Valencia - Blind - Fellaini - Januzaj - Lacazette
Clyne (Valencia) - Smalling (Jones) - Rojo (Jones) - Shaw (Rojo)
Carrick (Blind)
Mata (Januzaj) - Vidal (Herrera) - Herrera (Fellaini) - Di Maria (Lacazette)
Rooney (Lacazette)
Valdes - Rojo - Valencia - Blind - Fellaini - Januzaj - Lacazette
Realistic squad, in my opinion, especially knowing that Van Gaal likes his small squads.
Haven't put any centre backs because I think 3 first team (Smalling, Rojo, Jones) centre backs are more than enough if they can stay fit. We have players like Carrick and Blind who can fill in if we're in big trouble, but if you look at most teams, they have three first team defenders, with maybe one or two young players as back up. Unless we're looking to get rid of one of Smalling, Jones or Rojo, I don't see the point of getting another centre back.
Chelsea - Terry, Zouma and Cahill
Man City - Mangala, Kompany, Demechilis
Arsenal - Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gabriel
Man United - Smalling, Rojo, Jones
Also, whenever Van Gaal talks about our defence, he seems to be quite happy with it, and blames the lacklustre performances on the balance of the team (not having a solid number 8), rather than the back four. Think Vidal - a player who hasn't been mentioned for a while, can give us that balance. Perfect box to box midfielder.
Lacazatte - one of the hottest strikers around, will be a good, clever purchase, in my opinion. At nearly 24, in terms of age, he'd be in the middle of Wilson (19) and Rooney (29), which would mean he wouldn't really stop the growth of Wilson, and be more than ready to take over when Rooney retires.
I think above you've got a realistic squad, which wouldn't see any current first team players on big wages getting left out. A first team squad (matchday) of 18, plus 3 fringe players coming through (Wilson, Lingard, McNair)
Haven't put any centre backs because I think 3 first team (Smalling, Rojo, Jones) centre backs are more than enough if they can stay fit. We have players like Carrick and Blind who can fill in if we're in big trouble, but if you look at most teams, they have three first team defenders, with maybe one or two young players as back up. Unless we're looking to get rid of one of Smalling, Jones or Rojo, I don't see the point of getting another centre back.
Chelsea - Terry, Zouma and Cahill
Man City - Mangala, Kompany, Demechilis
Arsenal - Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gabriel
Man United - Smalling, Rojo, Jones
Also, whenever Van Gaal talks about our defence, he seems to be quite happy with it, and blames the lacklustre performances on the balance of the team (not having a solid number 8), rather than the back four. Think Vidal - a player who hasn't been mentioned for a while, can give us that balance. Perfect box to box midfielder.
Lacazatte - one of the hottest strikers around, will be a good, clever purchase, in my opinion. At nearly 24, in terms of age, he'd be in the middle of Wilson (19) and Rooney (29), which would mean he wouldn't really stop the growth of Wilson, and be more than ready to take over when Rooney retires.
I think above you've got a realistic squad, which wouldn't see any current first team players on big wages getting left out. A first team squad (matchday) of 18, plus 3 fringe players coming through (Wilson, Lingard, McNair)
That's an absolutely ridiculous gamble IMO. Considering their records.
I'm still of the opinion that an RB is unnecessary unless a real upgrade like Danilo is available, but he seems almost certain to make a pointless move to Real Madrid.
CB - I still think this is an imperative signing and I very much hope the Hummels deal comes off this summer. Personally I'd like two with a younger CB like Stones or Laporte also brought in as Evans and Jones don't instill me with any faith, but at least one proven top leader CB is required.
CM - For me Schneiderlin is the safe bet, Pogba or Koke are the dream buys and Andre Gomes is somewhere in the middle of the latter two and would be more like competition for Fellaini and Herrera than a definite starter. I think LvG will leave the pure #6 role another season until he decides on whether Blind is really up to replacing Carrick.
WF - I guess it will be Memphis Depay but I am not totally sold on him, Felipe Anderson and Firmino seem to be the other names in the mix.
Striker - Despite reports I'm starting to think we wont buy one as we know RvP will be kept due to his relationship with LvG, and if we have Di Maria/Mata/Januzaj/Young/Memphis as the options for the wide role in the front 3 then I doubt LvG will care if Dybala/Vietto/Lacazette can operate as a #9 and a wide forward.
CB - I still think this is an imperative signing and I very much hope the Hummels deal comes off this summer. Personally I'd like two with a younger CB like Stones or Laporte also brought in as Evans and Jones don't instill me with any faith, but at least one proven top leader CB is required.
CM - For me Schneiderlin is the safe bet, Pogba or Koke are the dream buys and Andre Gomes is somewhere in the middle of the latter two and would be more like competition for Fellaini and Herrera than a definite starter. I think LvG will leave the pure #6 role another season until he decides on whether Blind is really up to replacing Carrick.
WF - I guess it will be Memphis Depay but I am not totally sold on him, Felipe Anderson and Firmino seem to be the other names in the mix.
Striker - Despite reports I'm starting to think we wont buy one as we know RvP will be kept due to his relationship with LvG, and if we have Di Maria/Mata/Januzaj/Young/Memphis as the options for the wide role in the front 3 then I doubt LvG will care if Dybala/Vietto/Lacazette can operate as a #9 and a wide forward.
Even when he was at Barca he was to blame for a lot of the goals they conceded, he makes far too many errors and has lapses in judgement, I'm happy for him to be number 2 in a role similar to anders right now but he definately shouldn't be number1 keeper if we want to get back to where we were.
I just think that if we were to get a fourth centre back, assuming all can stay fit, one, or even two, will get very few game time, and knowing us, we'll buy a centre back in the Summer, and Jones and Smalling won't be injured ever again.
Of course he's a good goalkeeper that's not even in question, what is in question is if he is still up to the top level after his injury, and if he will be suited to the English game, but according to the latest Andy Mitten blog he is training great, and loving life at United.
There is no way he will just sit on the bench for the next couple of seasons, he has been brought in for a reason, and that is in the likelihood DDG is sold, sad as it might be that just might happen.
For some reason, i'm confident we'll land Hummels, Clyne and Depay - They seem like typical United signings. Pogba then along with that would be brilliant but don't see that happening. If not Schneiderlin would be a great addition. Bale or Sterling would be amazing but don't see that happening
Best case scenario
--------------De Gea-----------
Clyne-----Hummels----Smalling-----Shaw
--------Carrick----Pogba------
----------Herrera--------
--Mata---------------Di Maria
-------------Rooney---------
Best case scenario
--------------De Gea-----------
Clyne-----Hummels----Smalling-----Shaw
--------Carrick----Pogba------
----------Herrera--------
--Mata---------------Di Maria
-------------Rooney---------
How would Hummels do in the current Carrick role?
I think something like that is the long term plan. Someone who can drop in from holding midfield and play in a 3 man defence whilst the full backs push forward, similar to Bayern when Alonso drops deep.
In current set up it'd look something like this.
Valencia - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Carrick
Herrera - Fellaini
Mata - Rooney - di Maria
Carrick
Herrera - Fellaini
Mata - Rooney - di Maria
and transition into
Smalling - Carrick - Rojo
Valencia - Herrera - Fellaini - Shaw
Mata - Rooney - di Maria
Valencia - Herrera - Fellaini - Shaw
Mata - Rooney - di Maria
I think that's why he wants a comfortable ball player to play the deep role, and someone who can add physicality into the two man midfield.
Assuming we're going to play 433 next season this is what I think van Gaal will do:
Keepers:
We're fine with de Gea and Valdes. Lindegaard will leave, if de Gea also leaves we need to replace him.
Defence:
Rafael will probably be replaced, the same goes for Evans. So we'll need a centreback who can play LCB if needed (so Rojo can cover for Shaw), Hummels would fit the bill as he can play both sides. Don't know who we're bringing in though.
Midfield:
CDM we're settled with Carrick and Blind. Attacking midfield we're sorted with Herrera and Mata, box-to-box we only have Fellaini. I think this will be our biggest signing: a box-to-box midfielder who's good defensively. Someone in the mould of Strootman will be brought in, maybe Schneiderlin or Vidal? He might even get 2 (one talent for the bench to cover for BTB/CDM) but I'm not sure.
Attack:
Wingers I think Lingard will get his chance. Did wel on all his loans and in preseason untill he got injured, he will probably be included in the squad. I think Nani has the biggest chance to leave. As you all may know I'm pretty sure we're buying Memphis Depay, this will only depend on the fact if we're interested or not. He's leaving and if van Gaal wants him, he's coming. I think he's ready.
Strikers I'm not sure. We're being linked with many but I'm not sure if he's going to give up on van Persie. Rooney, RvP and Wilson should suffice. If not, replace RvP with a younger talent who can be 2nd to Rooney but not stand in the way of Wilson.
In short, out:
Lindegaard, Evans, Rafael, Cleverly, Nani, Falcao
In:
RB, LCB, CM, Memphis Depay
This leaves us with:
GK: De Gea, Valdes
RB: RB, Valencia, McNair
RCB: Smalling, Jones, McNair
LCB: LCB, Rojo, Blackett
LB: Shaw, Rojo, Blind
CDM: Carrick, Blind
BTB: CM, Fellaini
CAM: Mata, Herrera, Rooney
LW: Memphis, Young, Lingard, Di Maria
RW: Di Maria, Januzaj, Mata
ST: Rooney, RvP, Wilson
I'd personally be happy with a transfer window of Clyne, Hummels, Vidal/Schneiderlin and Memphis.
Keepers:
We're fine with de Gea and Valdes. Lindegaard will leave, if de Gea also leaves we need to replace him.
Defence:
Rafael will probably be replaced, the same goes for Evans. So we'll need a centreback who can play LCB if needed (so Rojo can cover for Shaw), Hummels would fit the bill as he can play both sides. Don't know who we're bringing in though.
Midfield:
CDM we're settled with Carrick and Blind. Attacking midfield we're sorted with Herrera and Mata, box-to-box we only have Fellaini. I think this will be our biggest signing: a box-to-box midfielder who's good defensively. Someone in the mould of Strootman will be brought in, maybe Schneiderlin or Vidal? He might even get 2 (one talent for the bench to cover for BTB/CDM) but I'm not sure.
Attack:
Wingers I think Lingard will get his chance. Did wel on all his loans and in preseason untill he got injured, he will probably be included in the squad. I think Nani has the biggest chance to leave. As you all may know I'm pretty sure we're buying Memphis Depay, this will only depend on the fact if we're interested or not. He's leaving and if van Gaal wants him, he's coming. I think he's ready.
Strikers I'm not sure. We're being linked with many but I'm not sure if he's going to give up on van Persie. Rooney, RvP and Wilson should suffice. If not, replace RvP with a younger talent who can be 2nd to Rooney but not stand in the way of Wilson.
In short, out:
Lindegaard, Evans, Rafael, Cleverly, Nani, Falcao
In:
RB, LCB, CM, Memphis Depay
This leaves us with:
GK: De Gea, Valdes
RB: RB, Valencia, McNair
RCB: Smalling, Jones, McNair
LCB: LCB, Rojo, Blackett
LB: Shaw, Rojo, Blind
CDM: Carrick, Blind
BTB: CM, Fellaini
CAM: Mata, Herrera, Rooney
LW: Memphis, Young, Lingard, Di Maria
RW: Di Maria, Januzaj, Mata
ST: Rooney, RvP, Wilson
I'd personally be happy with a transfer window of Clyne, Hummels, Vidal/Schneiderlin and Memphis.
Used to play him there on PES. Was decent, to be honest.
De Gea(Valdes)
Clyne(Rafael) - Smalling(Rojo) - Jones(McNair) - Shaw(Blackett)
Blind(Carrick) - Herrera(Perrera)
Mata(Flipe Anderson) -- Di Maria(Young)
Bale(Januzaj/Fellaini)
Rooney(Wilson/Van Persie)
Clyne(Rafael) - Smalling(Rojo) - Jones(McNair) - Shaw(Blackett)
Blind(Carrick) - Herrera(Perrera)
Mata(Flipe Anderson) -- Di Maria(Young)
Bale(Januzaj/Fellaini)
Rooney(Wilson/Van Persie)
In:
Bale:£70m
Flipe Anderson: £25m
Clyne: £20m
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In
Hummels- £30million
Laporte- £25million
Clyne- £10million
Pogba- £45million
Bale- £70million
Out
Di Maria- £50million
Mata- £25million
Rafael- £10million
Young- £10million
Evans- £5million
----------------------------------------De Gea-----------------------------------
-------Clyne----------------Hummels--------Laporte--------------Shaw--------
-----------------------------------------Carrick-----------------------------------
-----------------------------Herrera----------------Pogba-------------------------
---------Bale---------------------------Rooney---------------------Januzaj----------
Hummels- £30million
Laporte- £25million
Clyne- £10million
Pogba- £45million
Bale- £70million
Out
Di Maria- £50million
Mata- £25million
Rafael- £10million
Young- £10million
Evans- £5million
----------------------------------------De Gea-----------------------------------
-------Clyne----------------Hummels--------Laporte--------------Shaw--------
-----------------------------------------Carrick-----------------------------------
-----------------------------Herrera----------------Pogba-------------------------
---------Bale---------------------------Rooney---------------------Januzaj----------
He'd be a capable 6.
Capable, perhaps, but definitely not good enough, at least not for our ambitions of being a title-winning side. The only reason I see for Hummels playing as a #6 would be if every midfielder, along with Rooney, was injured.
Anyway, I'm fairly sure Hummels will not be bought for that role.
I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion. Hummels is nowhere near as good, technically, as Carrick or Alonso. For that system to work, you have to have a bona fide deep-lying playmaker, with exceptional intelligence and ball-playing ability. Hummels just doesn't have either.
LVG's favoured system is 433 - anything involving 3 at the back again will be a last resort.
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