Nor is anyone here, which is why its so bizarre people are inflating his injury.
Manchester United Summer Transfer Window 2015: What do we still need?
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Nor is anyone here, which is why its so bizarre people are inflating his injury.
Is has been more than 12 months since he was first injured. He had to go for another procedure soon after he returned.
I find downplaying his injury more bizarre than inflating it.
I don't think we are aiming that low, a kid from an unproven league, a crocked CM who had one half of a good season to his name and a a CB who most have seen play 2 decent games against Everton and decided he's a better option than Smalling and Jones.
When the guy says flashy he is surely talking about attackers, forward players like Di Maria and Falcao. I don't think Pogba or Verratti come under the domain of flashy when it comes to journos, back page splashes are about forwards. Hopefully our forwards will be buys like Dybala, Firmino, Memphis, players that certainly wouldn't be considered big headlines for most papers.
No one is downplaying anything, just not buying into the armchair demagoguery about his health.
I doubt any of our signings will be big signings in the Di Maria or Falcao mold, and thank goodness they won't. Also, the likes of Vidic, Evra, and Blind didn't come from big leagues and yet have done very well on the cheap, so its not very wise to be cynically dismissive of players who aren't hollywood signings.
Agree with this. A big price tag, name doesn't necessarily guarantee you success but that said I think to be a great team you need a balance off the likes of Blind, Carrick in the side along with the big stars. I think this summer we'll buy promising but proven at a certain level players and maybe that one big signing who'll just lift the place and possibly take us to that next level (Bale, Pogba for example).
No one is inflating it either. He has been out for 14 months already, and continues to be out.
What people are/will be questioning is the buffoonery if this happens at those prices mentioned.
The prices are clearly inflated and reflect Roma's desire to either keep him or fleece whoever tries to buy him. I doubt he will go for nearly that much.
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About Claassen against Spain he was very good, he was playing as a box to box next to Blind, he is good technically and has power. I like his pressing game too.
Now I haven't seen a lot of him but I always liked what I had to see. Maybe @Sammyjunn has more informations.
About Claassen against Spain he was very good, he was playing as a box to box next to Blind, he is good technically and has power. I like his pressing game too.
Now I haven't seen a lot of him but I always liked what I had to see. Maybe @Sammyjunn has more informations.
Well, I hope it's not us at any price.
The only team Roma can con is us due the VG connection. No one else will be stupid enough to touch him with a 10 ft. barge pole. Before the injury also he was just a good player doing well in a shit league, he had a long way to go to prove himself as a top midfielder.
Conversely, if Strootman wants to leave, it will allow clubs like United to offer less because of Strootman's own wishes to leave as well as the risk factor that buying clubs are inevitably going to play up to lower the price.
Can anyone explain to me why a United supporting mate of mine has just said that he hears we're signing De Jong on a free?
Hoping it's just him having a few beveraginos and it's got to his head.
Hoping it's just him having a few beveraginos and it's got to his head.
Doesn't change the fact that other players can do it as well and are better on top of that.
Do you really think we are going to buy a few cheapies and be done this summer? The club is a different animal now and Woodward is big on the commercial appeal, I will bet that one player at least this summer will be an expensive buy that has proven quality and marketability at a high level. It wont all be guys from inferior leagues which for some reason some here seem to think it's cool to want, like the mentality of indie bands playing in front of 300 people is somehow better than being a rock band that can sell out an arena.
Sometimes when you are aiming to be the best you need to actually go and buy the best, the idea that it's somehow preferable to buy Memphis to Bale or Strootman to Pogba or Verratti is just illogical IMO.
Not to mention the philosophy is a crock of shit that LvG trots out when he needs an excuse, kinda like Fergie's no value in the market stuff, every manager has a gimmick.
Hard to say whether or not this is true. Last summer, on paper Di Maria and Falcao were world beaters. One has done moderately well and the other has more or less flopped. At the end of the day its about the system not just individuals. If Van Gaal rates Strootman's ability and leadership (which he's already boasted about for Holland) then its likely he will try to buy him.
I don't think it matters what a players price is. We've already tried the hollywood route with Di Maria and Falcao, and haven't been rewarded, whereas the likes of Herrera and Blind have been very effective. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is whether Van Gaal rates a particular player as being able to contribute to his squad and system.
Must sign:
Winger - Depay seems like a cert and ticks all the boxes
CM - Pogba would be ace
CB - Hummels I guess
RB - I like Coleman, De Sciglio looks a good option on paper
Bonus signings:
Sterling/Bale - would be incredible if we could pinch either of these
Dybala/Berahino - depending on departures and failure to sign Sterling/Bale, we might need extra numbers in attack
Riechedly Bazoer - One of the best young CMs out there.
Winger - Depay seems like a cert and ticks all the boxes
CM - Pogba would be ace
CB - Hummels I guess
RB - I like Coleman, De Sciglio looks a good option on paper
Bonus signings:
Sterling/Bale - would be incredible if we could pinch either of these
Dybala/Berahino - depending on departures and failure to sign Sterling/Bale, we might need extra numbers in attack
Riechedly Bazoer - One of the best young CMs out there.
Klaassen is a very good player and has loads of potential, he has played as CVM, b2b and attacking midfielder and is very all round, he could also play as a striker I think, as he's a very composed finisher and has a knack of scoring goals. I really rate him but I still think he should step up even more and take the initiative more, next season he has to manifest himself into the best midfielder in the Eredivisie, if he does that, he could go to a bigger club. Not sure if he'd go to a world class club directly, he strikes me as a guy who knows best for himself and wants to develop, being a squad player at United for example wouldnt help him.
Bazoer just signed a new contract until 2020, I think he'll remain in the Eredivisie for around 3 years and then make the step up. He is unavailable. His brother was also a prof, so he understands the football world a bit and guides Bazoer in his decision making, they deliberately chose to move to Ajax (they could have gone abroad) and have made a plan. Impossible transfer for now.
Okay... right now we are looking very solid. In fact i would love to see this team playing the bigs of Europe. No we are not quite there, but I think we are close. How close?
Let's look at where we are now, over the last 3 games we have played an attractive solid brand of football. Basically a 4-1-4-1 on defense and a 4-3-3 on offense. In general it looks like this...
--------------------DDG--------------------
Valencia----Smalling/Jones---Rojo------Blind
-------------------Carrick-----------------
Mata------Herrera--------Fellaini----Young
------------------Rooney-----------------
Now there are questions, the biggest I believe is DDG: Will he stay or does he go. I hope he stays ofc. Next is ADM: Does he settle in or is he destined to join a long list of illustrious footballers who never quite made it in England. Again i hope it works out, if not maybe Depay? Then we need a replacement for Carrick. This guy is money for us but unfortunately he is not getting any younger; we need cover/replacement. I also think we could use another big player for CM. if anything happens to Herrera or Fellaini we do not look nearly as good (stares at Mr Rooney
). RB is also a position of interest. Does Raphael fulfill his potential or not? Lastly we *need* a CB. i am talking a majestic leader to keep the clean sheets and deal with all domestically and on the continent.
So next year here is what i would love to see (subs in parenthesis))...
------------------DDG--------------------
----------------(Valdes)-----------------
Clyne-------Hummels------Rojo------Blind
(Valencia)-(Jones/Smalling)-(Evans)-(Shaw)
-------------------Carrick-----------------
-------------------(?????)----------------
Mata------Herrera--------Koke-------ADM
(Januzaj)-(Powell/Pereira)-(Fellaini)-(Young)
------------------Rooney-----------------
-----------------(RvP/Wilson)-------------
So three new players starting and still the question of who do we get to replace Carrick? Overall though I think this is a very solid team and capable of taking us forward. I also do not believe we will get the players I named but would like to see their like regardless. What do you think?
Let's look at where we are now, over the last 3 games we have played an attractive solid brand of football. Basically a 4-1-4-1 on defense and a 4-3-3 on offense. In general it looks like this...
--------------------DDG--------------------
Valencia----Smalling/Jones---Rojo------Blind
-------------------Carrick-----------------
Mata------Herrera--------Fellaini----Young
------------------Rooney-----------------
Now there are questions, the biggest I believe is DDG: Will he stay or does he go. I hope he stays ofc. Next is ADM: Does he settle in or is he destined to join a long list of illustrious footballers who never quite made it in England. Again i hope it works out, if not maybe Depay? Then we need a replacement for Carrick. This guy is money for us but unfortunately he is not getting any younger; we need cover/replacement. I also think we could use another big player for CM. if anything happens to Herrera or Fellaini we do not look nearly as good (stares at Mr Rooney
). RB is also a position of interest. Does Raphael fulfill his potential or not? Lastly we *need* a CB. i am talking a majestic leader to keep the clean sheets and deal with all domestically and on the continent.So next year here is what i would love to see (subs in parenthesis))...
------------------DDG--------------------
----------------(Valdes)-----------------
Clyne-------Hummels------Rojo------Blind
(Valencia)-(Jones/Smalling)-(Evans)-(Shaw)
-------------------Carrick-----------------
-------------------(?????)----------------
Mata------Herrera--------Koke-------ADM
(Januzaj)-(Powell/Pereira)-(Fellaini)-(Young)
------------------Rooney-----------------
-----------------(RvP/Wilson)-------------
So three new players starting and still the question of who do we get to replace Carrick? Overall though I think this is a very solid team and capable of taking us forward. I also do not believe we will get the players I named but would like to see their like regardless. What do you think
?Last year this place was raving about Carvalho, that seems to have gone quiet. He looked like a bit of a beast.
He went looking for a house in England with his brother because he wanted to go to Manchester City, it was his mother who convinced him to stay in Holland
I prefer Memphis to Bale.
Mostly because the former would be cheaper and seems currently a better deal for the money. Also, Memphis would be a typical United signing, Bale obviously, too, but I'd rather see Memphis grow into a wonderful player with us than buy the finished article that is Bale. Van Gaal's transfer record up until last summer wasn't convincing. And it was largely recognised that selling Welbeck was a mistake and not everyone here was excited by Falcao either (I was excited for that matter). We were discussing a couple of months ago, how poor our transfer record has been since Carrick was signed. The point I'm trying to make is that Strootman would look like a poor signing or a bad business decision currently, especially considering the alternatives for similar fees.
In: forward (Memphis?), midfielder (Schneiderlin?), centre back (Hummels?), right back (someone better than Clyne)
Out: Looks like Hernandez, Evans, Cleverley, Falcao, Lindegaard, Rafael, and probably Nani.
Out: Looks like Hernandez, Evans, Cleverley, Falcao, Lindegaard, Rafael, and probably Nani.
We only loaned Falcao so he barely counts and are you really writing Di Maria off after one season even despite the fact he's still racked up more assists for us this season than any player since Becks left? Herrera and Blind have been excellent buys I agree, but Herrera did have at least some pedigree, you listed a crock with half a good season to his name, a kid from a 3rd tier league and Dragovic who I imagine you have seen twice the same as the rest of us, that just seemed too far to the other extreme IMO.
I prefer Memphis to Bale.
I'm not really bothered about price and in truth I don't really have the hankering for Bale some here have, he was just an example of proven vs 3rd tier league success.
I'm not writing anyone off. Just pointing out that we may sign players who aren't considered world class at this moment, but may well develop into world class players down the road. We are also more likely to buy players who fit into Van Gaal's system rather than those so called known marquee signings followed by fans.
You classed Di Maria in a pretty negative light but ok. We may sign players who aren't world class yes, but bar that one Dutch guy Brun most of the media think we are looking for ready made as we can't afford to mess around, you usually buy developers when you are in a position of strength, not when you are playing catch-up.
As for LvG's system, come on man, it's nothing revolutionary, it's a basic 4-3-3 that average players like Fellaini, Young and Valencia have managed to function in, are you suggesting that it would be too complex for Verratti, Koke, Pogba etc...to work out how to play in that midfield 3? Or that Ronaldo, Bale, Hazard, Sterling, Sanchez or any other big name wide forward wouldn't be able to slot right into that front 3? The system we are playing is pretty simple, if we are to go from fighting for top 4 to challenging for the title then it shouldn't be hard to look at it and see where we can upgrade pieces of the puzzle.
I like the Di Maria signing but was just pointing out that the likes of himself and Falcao have not worked out as we may have thought the moment we brought them to England. I think that bit is undeniable and only highlights that there are no guarantees irrespective of how well known, expensive, or world class a player is perceived to be. If they don't integrate into the squad then the concept of signing well known players becomes pointless. At the end of the day there are intangibles that are invisible to fans but very evident to coaches, players, and the manager, that ultimately play into whether a given player will fit into the squad. Signing so called famous players therefore may not always be the correct thing to do, and the fact that lesser known Herrera and Blind have been equally if not more effective than Di Maria and Falcao proves my point.
Di Maria has a near record number of assists and is trying to fit in to a country where his family was terrorized only a few weeks after he landed here, don't you think that kinda negates your point in that he's having a very difficult time off the pitch yet still racks up all those important assists? In fact if you look at Herrera he spent months out of the team until he was essentially re-coached, Di Maria has been played in about 4 different positions as LvG constantly changed the formation and in truth that was down to the fact that despite his coaching credentials he refused to use our CM's in midfield and played our best striker there while using two guys whose legs are shot to shit up front. Mata is another example, he has been out of favour for ages, then suddenly he's back in, in a new role. My point is LvG has spent so long figuring out what to do that it's hard to really judge a lot of the players as it's hard to perform when your leader isn't sure what he wants for 75% of the season.
I also don't think there's any genius or magic trick to buying players, we had a manager for 25 years who swept up every trophy in front of him on the view that top players can play anywhere, no excuses, he never believed there was an overly complicated science to it and we did pretty damn well with that mindset.
It's also odd that you keep mentioning Falcao who is clearly fecked from his injury, yet you are the one wanting to buy Strootman who has the same injury, has played barely any football for 18 months by the time next season starts, was never world class and has yet to remotely prove he's recovered, as if LvG is so blinded and Strootman is so unique that he can't find another player in Europe to perform the same role.
Bale, Pogba, Hummels, Clyne would be for perfect window, and something which I think can be done as long as we are back in the CL. If Harry Kane also has another great season, then we should pick him up in 2016.
No rough diamonds/bright prospects bull shit.
We need top, top quality finished articles.
We need top, top quality finished articles.
You're merely reinforcing my point. The are simply no guarantees with buying so called "world class" players. Anything can happen both on or off the pitch that can prevent them from being as effective as the hype behind their names suggests before they are bought. And thats not not even factoring in whether or not they are adaptable to the formation and tactics the manager wants to deploy them in.
Kane would be a fantastic buy imo.
I'm not reinforcing any point though, basically our manager has messed around so much that most don't know if they are Arthur or Martha. I also don't see the logic in the idea that if there are two players for a role and one is a proven quality player and the other has no credentials, you don't go with the one with credentials. Also again, this fitting the formation stuff, it's a basic 4-3-3 mate, there is nothing complex here, there are players all over Europe operating in that system, from PSG to Juventus and many teams in-between, football is a simple game.
Now or in 2016? If he keeps it up one more year I agree he'd be the ideal player to be our new #9 as Rooney would be nearly 31.
Angel Di Maria is at 13 assists right now according to the stats in his thread. That means he tied Valencia's best season, Beckhams second best season in 97-98 and he's one behind Nani who is at second place with 14 assist in a season. Beckham 99-00 leads the charts with 15, so Di Maria would hold the Manchester United assist record if he makes two more until the end of the season.
Formation isn't the only reason why a transfer will or won't work. Its just one factor. If it was just about buying big name players then surely the mighty Ashley Young wouldn't be matching (or even outperforming) Di Maria. It sounds wonderful when the grass is greener on the other side and we talk about buying the likes of Bale and others, but there are no guarantees that they will perform at a level as they were with their old club, which is why there's a lot of value in doing proper scouting and buying players in the Vidic/Evra type mold as well as looking at bigger names.
Depends if Van Persie stays or goes. I'm guessing he will stay so 2016 would make more sense.
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