Roman Bellic
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Hummels
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I think you should go for a centre back, a right back, a midfielder and a striker. You need more than that, but those are the four areas that need fixing immediately and I don't think you should have another summer with a tonne of changes.
After seeing Hummels last night, he's another one I wouldn't touch with a ten foot bargepole. If he is slow in Germany and CL, how will he cope with the speed of the PL?Fantasy signings.
In:
Garay and Hummels/Laporte
Scheiderlin and Pogba/Gundogan
Depay/Bale/Reus
Coleman/Clyne
Out:
Nani - £15m
Mata - £25m
Falcao - £0m
Evans - £5m
That's £40m and we're well able to spend another £150m without messing up FFP. Of course I can't see us spending £190m in one window but hey, its not my money.
There's no way we will only bring in 2 players, not a chance. It's very likely LvG doesn't rate Nani or Hernandez and his boy Memphis looks a good bet to come in. RvP's legs have gone and Wilson is still green as grass, so another forward who can play across the front 3 will be in the list as well as we can't risk being stuck with RvP up top if Rooney is out for any length of time.
Then there's midfield, LvG has openly said another CM is his priority in the summer, I'm pretty sure he's aiming higher than Fellaini long term.
I don't think anything needs to be said about CB, can't rely on any of them.
I'm not interest in Hummels at all.
If they were to get Bale, a top class strong CM and sign de Gea, I'd be ecstatic. A bonus would be a CB better than the ones they have at the moment that doesn't have a history of being injured frequently.
We can get Bale, a CM and re-sign De Gea but if we dont sign an experienced CB this summer I would be shocked.
Andy Mitten writes regularly for the official scandinavian supporter club and says that we've got ~£150 million to spend. He also says that the club is far in the process of deciding which players to buy. The targets are a right back, a striker and a dominant midfielder. He mentions Gareth Bale, Mats Hummels (the club has been chasing him for a long time), Nathaniel Clyne, Memphis Depay and Kevin Strootman but the club has been put off by his injuries so they'll probably not pursue him. (Original Article, I translated it so it's not 100% grammatically correct).
Sport Witness (a very reliable web page with a lot of information) have analysed Spanish media who claims that we might buy Nicolas Otamendi. Read the article here. Quick summary: It's not unlikely that we'll play the buy-out clause of €50 million for him.
I'm not say he won't be looking for one. I'm sure he will be. I hope he finds one, as well.
But those who think Carrick is the man to be the CM they need have to realize he is getting on in years and will be 34 this summer.
Finding a top centre half is going to be a real problem, they are few and far between and even players who aren’t really big improvements on what we have will cost a fortune.
I'd be more than happy with a great centre back and right back this Summer. A central midfielder would be a big bonus. An attacking wide player would be overkill unless Nani/Hernandez are both sold and/or Januzaj is loaned out.
I've seen a lot of comments on here but find it bizarre that people are saying we should let the likes of Hernandez/Nani/Mata leave, and then go out and sign Depay/Fermino/Dybala (as well as 2 central defenders and a right back).
Do people really think we need 6 of our starting XI replaced? That's nonsense and would lead to yet another transition season.
Andy Mitten writes regularly for the official scandinavian supporter club and says that we've got ~£150 million to spend. He also says that the club is far in the process of deciding which players to buy. The targets are a right back, a striker and a dominant midfielder. He mentions Gareth Bale, Mats Hummels (the club has been chasing him for a long time), Nathaniel Clyne, Memphis Depay and Kevin Strootman but the club has been put off by his injuries so they'll probably not pursue him. (Original Article, I translated it so it's not 100% grammatically correct).
Sport Witness (a very reliable web page with a lot of information) have analysed Spanish media who claims that we might buy Nicolas Otamendi. Read the article here. Quick summary: It's not unlikely that we'll play the buy-out clause of €50 million for him.
He says that a striker, midfielder and right back are the most important positions to improve, but obviously there are targets in other positions like Bale and Depay. They are probably not as important as improving in the other three positions. The names he mentioned are names he got from agents, not the same source as the one who mentioned those three positions.So Mitten reckons we want a striker and then doesn't list one in the actual article, instead mentioning two wingers while not saying we want a winger.
I agree. There's no way he is worth anywhere near €50 million.Paying that kind of fee for Otamendi would be absolutely ludicrous, he's barmy just like Rojo, we need a calm head back there, not another nutter.
He says that a striker, midfielder and right back are the most important positions to improve, but obviously there are targets in other positions like Bale and Depay. They are probably not as important as improving in the other three positions. The names he mentioned are names he got from agents, not the same source as the one who mentioned those three positions.
I agree. There's no way he is worth anywhere near €50 million.
Judging BVB players on this season is like judging United players based on last season. Their entire team is underperforming.A few times I've watched Hummels he is not the same player he was just 18 months back.
They've not been that great this season.Judging BVB players on this season is like judging United players based on last season. Their entire team is underperforming.
Seventh position can still be reached. But yeah, they wish to have as a good season as us last year.They've not been that great this season.
No, I think 4 of our starting 11 need replacing and that we need a better bench striker option than a soon to be 33 year old striker whose legs have gone. No team aiming to win the PL rather than scramble for 4th starts with Fellaini and Young. They have had decent seasons but they are squad players, and none of our CB's look remotely reliable.
We need 2 CB's who don't panic when pressed and who can actually pass the ball effectively like LvG wants. We need a powerful, athletic, energetic box to box CM to balance out Carrick and Herrera and allow the latter to be the actual attacking CM rather than the #8, and last but not least we need a fast, dribbling young forward who can play wide in a front 3 and grab 15+ goals.
Hernandez, Nani and Mata will all likely be sold IMO.
Again this turnover of player's would just cause another 12 months of transition. I think it'd be ridiculous to replace half of our outfield player's again, 12 months after already replacing half of them. Van Persie will be 32 going into next season and is still a good player, particularly if he isn't guaranteed a starting spot. Rooney is still a quality striker and if we really wanted to play 2 strikers consistently (which I highly doubt) Hernandez would be one of the best 3rd choice strikers in the League.
On paper we shouldn't be starting with Fellaini and Young at the moment, it's only because they've played themselves into the team with good performances, this is a positive not the negative you imply. We could easily play one of:
Herrera Carrick Blind_______Carrick Blind
___Mata Di Maria_______Mata Herrera Di Maria
_____Rooney________________Rooney
Not to mention that Smalling and Rojo have both been pretty damn solid this season, as evidenced by us conceding less than 16 teams in the League. Condemning them to the bench to accommodate 2 foreign player's who've never played together or in the Premier League is risky at best, idiotic at worse. See Mangala, a £42m top rated centre back who can't displace Demichelis at City.
We should be looking at a top class right back and one top class centre back to replace Evans and either Rafael or Valencia. We should bring Nani back and give him a chance, as he's been performing better than every wide forward (bar Bale) we've been linked with. I'd be seriously disappointed if we sold Nani and bought Depay; sold Hernandez and bought Dybala; sold Smalling and bought Otamendi; dropped Blind and bought a crocked Strootman. If we're going to buy a central midfielder or winger then it should only be if a World Class player becomes available. By that I mean the standard of Pogba or Bale.
We are going to sign 4-6 players in the summer no doubt about that, taking into consideration the obvious flaws in the team, players who are likely to depart, fact LVG clearly doesn’t rate certain players and his comments about how he wants certain type CM etc I see no other realistic alternative.
What’s important is we get the right players in and don’t go for crocks like Vidal or Strootman or over priced players who don’t improve us like Otamendi. Club won’t move forward by relying on a couple of signings and bringing back players from loan, we also have to accept that Carrick and RVP are unlikely to be able to play most games and age is/will catch up with them.
It’s time to complete the rebuild we started last year, if that means another season of transition then so be it but it will benefit us longer term, a new rb, cb, cm, a winger, a striker and possibly a goalkeeper could all be signed.
Again this turnover of player's would just cause another 12 months of transition. I think it'd be ridiculous to replace half of our outfield player's again, 12 months after already replacing half of them. Van Persie will be 32 going into next season and is still a good player, particularly if he isn't guaranteed a starting spot. Rooney is still a quality striker and if we really wanted to play 2 strikers consistently (which I highly doubt) Hernandez would be one of the best 3rd choice strikers in the League.
On paper we shouldn't be starting with Fellaini and Young at the moment, it's only because they've played themselves into the team with good performances, this is a positive not the negative you imply. We could easily play one of:
Herrera Carrick Blind_______Carrick Blind
___Mata Di Maria_______Mata Herrera Di Maria
_____Rooney________________Rooney
Not to mention that Smalling and Rojo have both been pretty damn solid this season, as evidenced by us conceding less than 16 teams in the League. Condemning them to the bench to accommodate 2 foreign player's who've never played together or in the Premier League is risky at best, idiotic at worse. See Mangala, a £42m top rated centre back who can't displace Demichelis at City.
We should be looking at a top class right back and one top class centre back to replace Evans and either Rafael or Valencia. We should bring Nani back and give him a chance, as he's been performing better than every wide forward (bar Bale) we've been linked with. I'd be seriously disappointed if we sold Nani and bought Depay; sold Hernandez and bought Dybala; sold Smalling and bought Otamendi; dropped Blind and bought a crocked Strootman. If we're going to buy a central midfielder or winger then it should only be if a World Class player becomes available. By that I mean the standard of Pogba or Bale.
Those 2 line-ups you have posted would get us slaughtered, there's no pace or power in midfield or the forward line and they both feature Mata, a player who doesn't do nearly enough work tracking back and has zero speed. As far as Smalling and Rojo goes, the latter has done ok but Smalling is like Jones, one step forward two brainfarts back, and our record of goals conceded is down to De Gea, our CB's cough up lots of chances but he makes world class save after world class save.
Carrick or Blind in midfield, with Herrera as the AM and a new box to box CM is going to happen regardless of how much we debate as LvG already said he was prioritizing a CM this summer. As far as your 3 comparisons go, Otamendi would be a bad choice I agree, replacing Smalling with Hummels/Marquinhos/Laporte/Dragovic would be good although persoanlly I'd keep Smalling and sell Jones. Nani has had his shot here and Hernandez lacks the technique and link-up play to be a striker for LvG, if you have seen Dybala play a few full games you'd never even compare the two, he is way more talented than Hernandez and could easily play wide in a front as well as in the #9 role.
There seems to be a consensus forming that we should be pursuing a right back, centre half, central midfielder, winger and striker this summer. I agree with that, too. Hopefully our manager sees it that way.
Summer should be fun again. Even more so if we bag Champions League football.