Harry Kane? Feck me you just contradicted yourself! The boy has had one very good season in a poor league, maybe after 3 seasons of doing this but there has been to many one season wonders to go and splash money on this kid. He has done well but looking at his attributes he's not going to get any better (ala Bale level) and the money Spurs would want, Jesus best stay clear atm.
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Harry Kane? Feck me you just contradicted yourself! The boy has had one very good season in a poor league, maybe after 3 seasons of doing this but there has been to many one season wonders to go and splash money on this kid. He has done well but looking at his attributes he's not going to get any better (ala Bale level) and the money Spurs would want, Jesus best stay clear atm.
Yep agree this should be the long term approach but think the drop off in quality (Adnan/Young) has dictated this much to Di Maria's detriment. I would like 2 winger forward types. Anderson and Bale would be nice plus a centre mid of real class (Verratti/Modric type). I can cope without a centre back or right back we have enough to get by and the guys there already should improve.
Have to agree with this. Special season, not sure if he is a special player. Looks like a player who does a lot of things well. Will need to see him perform and score for more than one season before we can decide if he is top quality.
What we need? Beside world class players in several positions, a new philosophy! And time! And time is something what is against us. One more season maybe without CL and new players who have to adapt his philosophy is clearly bad. I'm a LVG admirer but it seems to me his visions doesn't fit here in England. This is not La Liga and we're not Barcelona of 09-12 who can dominate every game with possesion. We don't have the players. What players? Would be difficult without CL. But Bale would be great. 2 new CB and 2 WC midfielders a must.
Personally if it was possible i would try this:
Buy:
Sell:
Buy:
- Depay
- Bellarabi
- Pogba (or Schneiderlin+Nainggolan)
- Clyne
- Godin
Sell:
- RVP
- Young
- Valencia or Rafael
- Evans
- Mata (if Schneiderlin+Naniggollan)
I really don't think Pogba is a realistic target. He clearly holds a grudge against Sir Alex and I imagine Sir Alex will be around as much if not more next season.
We could certainly get some defenders who are better passers. I'd love to see how many attacks are started against us due to poor passing out of the back. De Gea is the best passer of the back 5.
We need at least one CB, a versatile RB/LB (o'shea versatility mold), a box to box midfielder, a winger, and a forward. So I think no less than 5 new faces. That's quite a lot I think. When you think price tags it's going to be an expensive summer. Even more so if we don't finish top 4.
We could certainly get some defenders who are better passers. I'd love to see how many attacks are started against us due to poor passing out of the back. De Gea is the best passer of the back 5.
We need at least one CB, a versatile RB/LB (o'shea versatility mold), a box to box midfielder, a winger, and a forward. So I think no less than 5 new faces. That's quite a lot I think. When you think price tags it's going to be an expensive summer. Even more so if we don't finish top 4.
It's probably unrealistic but he also said that he loved his life at Manchester and that Giggs supported him and believed in him, he doesn't have anything against the club, just against SAF.
First time I'm making my muppet eleven this calendar year so here it goes:
Never going to happen, but my gut tells me we'll sign two of those players mentioned. But that would be delicious
This is also being optimistic by hoping De Gea actually stays.
A lot of D's in that front line. Give the opposition the D!
De Gea
Clyne Hummels Rojo Shaw
Herrera Blind
DeBruyne Rooney Depay
Dybala
Clyne Hummels Rojo Shaw
Herrera Blind
DeBruyne Rooney Depay
Dybala
Never going to happen, but my gut tells me we'll sign two of those players mentioned. But that would be delicious
This is also being optimistic by hoping De Gea actually stays.A lot of D's in that front line. Give the opposition the D!
Right muppet 11
.............DDG
Valencia Smalling Rojo Shaw
...................Carrick
........Herrera...........Di Maria
.....Bale..................Anderson
..............Rooney
2 players of quality in plus bring back Nani, loan Adnan. If there is money to burn add a centre mid of superstar quality aka Modric or Verratti (chances slim)
.............DDG
Valencia Smalling Rojo Shaw
...................Carrick
........Herrera...........Di Maria
.....Bale..................Anderson
..............Rooney
2 players of quality in plus bring back Nani, loan Adnan. If there is money to burn add a centre mid of superstar quality aka Modric or Verratti (chances slim)
I presume you mean the Anderson playing at Lazio and not the just departed tubby Anderson? However I would not be having Valencia at RB and certainly not Smalling at CB or we will have the same problems as we have now. That defence needs one hell of an overhaul. Carrick might only get another years contract so we need a player of high quality for there. Looks like we will have to have a whip round lads.
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All the best getting that from someone.
I agree. We must buy a right back, a CB and a strong midfielder. That's the minimum. In addition we need a striker or an inside forward/winger, depending on the formation LvG wants us to play next season.
We need to keep our goalkeeper. Priority number 1 by a long distance.
We should then bring in the best Center Back we can get, and play him with Rojo or Smalling. Evans and Jones can stay as backups but one should probably go and McNair can be 4th choice at CB.
Then we should get the best midfielder we can get, someone who can play defense as well, we have di Maria and Mata to play a purely attacking midfield role.
We need two right backs or 1 and the reinstatement of Rafael. Though really we'd still need two more because Rafael is gonna miss half of any given season.
After that it would depend on the formation. Either someone who can score goals from out wide and dribble, like Sanchez or Hazard, or another top class midfielder to allow us to dominate the center of the pitch.
De Gea, di Maria and Rooney are the only real safe bets. Blind, Januzaj, Shaw and Carrick are probably safe for different reasons.
Smalling, Mata, Herrera, Rojo, Wilson, Young and Jones will probably be retained as squad players, they could all work their way into thefirst team next season.
Rafael, Valencia, Evans, Falcao, Van Persie and Fellaini could all be elsewhere next season.
We should then bring in the best Center Back we can get, and play him with Rojo or Smalling. Evans and Jones can stay as backups but one should probably go and McNair can be 4th choice at CB.
Then we should get the best midfielder we can get, someone who can play defense as well, we have di Maria and Mata to play a purely attacking midfield role.
We need two right backs or 1 and the reinstatement of Rafael. Though really we'd still need two more because Rafael is gonna miss half of any given season.
After that it would depend on the formation. Either someone who can score goals from out wide and dribble, like Sanchez or Hazard, or another top class midfielder to allow us to dominate the center of the pitch.
De Gea, di Maria and Rooney are the only real safe bets. Blind, Januzaj, Shaw and Carrick are probably safe for different reasons.
Smalling, Mata, Herrera, Rojo, Wilson, Young and Jones will probably be retained as squad players, they could all work their way into thefirst team next season.
Rafael, Valencia, Evans, Falcao, Van Persie and Fellaini could all be elsewhere next season.
Yep that's the Anderson happy with Smalling and Valencia is growing into the role!
People really want us to sign 6-7 players again this summer? Weren't we all saying that a lot of struggles this season is because we have a lot of new payers that needed to bed in yet most want us to do the same thing next season. We should only need 3-4 new signings or last summer was a failure.
Same old story, it's not working on the pitch so lets go and buy a load more players.....because that will solve everything, right?
I'm done with overpaid superstar signings, i want some solid players who will perform week in week out.
In:
Godin
Laporte
Clyne
Lars Bender
Schneiderlin
Depay
Lacazette
Berahino
Out:
LvG
Di Maria
Falcao
Fellaini
Valencia
Evans
RvP (if he wants to leave, no worries)
In:
Godin
Laporte
Clyne
Lars Bender
Schneiderlin
Depay
Lacazette
Berahino
Out:
LvG
Di Maria
Falcao
Fellaini
Valencia
Evans
RvP (if he wants to leave, no worries)
Centre backs, I have two no fashion and cheap names:
- Howedes
- Savic
- Howedes
- Savic
A strong captain, an arrogant and flamboyant attacker, and an engine for the middle of the park.
Unfortunately i don't see any out there available who fit the bill.
Unfortunately i don't see any out there available who fit the bill.
I don't think it's as black and white as that. It doesn't matter who our manager is, this squad needs serious maintenance.
Van Gaal signing the players he wants will go a long way to fixing the problems he is having trying to get the most out of the current crop.
Despite what people might think, think he's a fan of Mata. I just don't think he feels he can play him without a stronger midfield. That should change next season.
But, shouldn't he have started fixing the problems last summer? How is our midfield not strong enough if we bought 2 midfielders(arguably 3) just last summer?
He didn't know the team back then. Probably overestimated it on what he had been told. Players like Fletch for example. He had very little time to assess which is why this window is so important
----------DDG--------
Danilo-Laporte-Rojo-Shaw
-------Schneiderlin-----
---Herrera---di Maria--
-de Bruyne---Depay--
--------Rooney------
Only five new signings, what could possibly go wrong? I think all five of them are realistic targets at around 30m each even if we miss out on CL football. The biggest problem might be to keep DDG.
Depay and De Bruyne would add pace to our team, and Schneiderlin would add some steel. I have excluded Blind since I think that he is too slow.
Danilo-Laporte-Rojo-Shaw
-------Schneiderlin-----
---Herrera---di Maria--
-de Bruyne---Depay--
--------Rooney------
Only five new signings, what could possibly go wrong? I think all five of them are realistic targets at around 30m each even if we miss out on CL football. The biggest problem might be to keep DDG.
Depay and De Bruyne would add pace to our team, and Schneiderlin would add some steel. I have excluded Blind since I think that he is too slow.
Two good centreback are an absolute must. Get Godin and that guy from Bundesliga whose name i forgot lol.
There is no muppet line-up that exists for me that doesn't feature two new CB's, absolutely sick of our current error prone clods. Hummels & Marquinhos/Laporte.
Exactly, he came in right on the arse end of things and had to go straight on tour, it was far from ideal. Plus he obviously liked Vidal and Strootman but neither deal was a go this past summer. I'm sure we'll be much better prepared for the next transfer window.
I have been waiting all season for things to click - and frankly I'm starting to think they simply wont.
Whatever happens next season I think we have to inject some pace into the team and I would like to see us go with a young ang hungry team where possible
Im resigned to loosing De Gea but on top of that I'd like to see us get rid of some of the players who have have not fulfilled their potential and more so anybody who does not look like they want to be here (di maria springs to mind) and of course I would not want us to buy Falcao
Out
De Gea (unfortunatley) possibly £30m
Di Maria (unless he looks like he cares for the last few games) possibly £50m
Valencia (not a right back and not a top level winger) possibly £7m
Young (not a wing back and again not a top level winger) possibly £5m
Hernandez (deserves to play somewhere) possibly £8m
Nani (too inconsistent) possibly £7m
Evans (I think we have seen the last of him) possibly £6m
Fellaini (gives his all but honestly I dont want us lumping up long balls to him) possibly £8m (cmon moyes make a bid)
Clevery to leave on a free as his contract expires
Around 120m in fees and at a guess circa 800k a week in wages off the bill (circa 40m a year!!!)
Presuming we have a budget of circa 70 million as well which may be optomistic if we dont get CL
Laporte guesstimate £30m (young defender who can form a long term partnership with Jones - and he can play a bit which is nice)
Clyne guesstimate £15m (young and english and on comparatively low wages at the moment and I think only 2 years on his contract?)
Gundogan guesstimate £15m (seems to be over his injury and out of contract at the end of next season with no cl football at dortmund should not be too expensive?)
Carvahllo guesstimate £20m (I thought he was overated when people were talking £35m but the price mentioned now seems more realistic also helped by the £ vs the euro)
Draxler guesstimate £30m (isnt that his buy out clause?)
Dybala guesstimate £30m (I think the chairman mentioned this figure?)
Goretzka guesstimate £15m (great prospect probably wouldnt cost a fortune plus with a low euro could be great value)
Deepay guesstimate £20m (would surely be enough to grab him from PSG)
total spend £175 and probably no more in wages than would be saved by the sales and of course we would be saving a fortune by not paying falcao
Net spend of circa £55m
----------------------------Valdez--------------------------
Clyne--------------Jones---------------Laporte-----------Shaw
---------------Gundogan------------ Carvahllo------------------
Januzaj--------------------Rooney---------------------Draxler
----------------------------Dybala-----------------------------
Amos, Smalling, Blind, Carrick, Herrera, Mata, Van Persi _ on the bench
Johnson, Rojo, Rafael, Goretzka, Periera, Deepay, Wilson in the squad
Milinkovich, Mcnair, Blackett, Janko, Powell, Lingaard, Henriquez _ making up the squad or loaned out _ plus Thorpe, James, Keane, and even Kehnde who is supposedly very highly thought of.
I doubt we will have a team looking like that next season but if we did I think it would be awsome - pace a plenty and lots of young players hungry for success with defenders (and a keeper) who are all decent on the ball, and a midfield that has the power to dominate games - plus Rooney in what I personally think is his best position.
Whatever happens next season I think we have to inject some pace into the team and I would like to see us go with a young ang hungry team where possible
Im resigned to loosing De Gea but on top of that I'd like to see us get rid of some of the players who have have not fulfilled their potential and more so anybody who does not look like they want to be here (di maria springs to mind) and of course I would not want us to buy Falcao
Out
De Gea (unfortunatley) possibly £30m
Di Maria (unless he looks like he cares for the last few games) possibly £50m
Valencia (not a right back and not a top level winger) possibly £7m
Young (not a wing back and again not a top level winger) possibly £5m
Hernandez (deserves to play somewhere) possibly £8m
Nani (too inconsistent) possibly £7m
Evans (I think we have seen the last of him) possibly £6m
Fellaini (gives his all but honestly I dont want us lumping up long balls to him) possibly £8m (cmon moyes make a bid)
Clevery to leave on a free as his contract expires
Around 120m in fees and at a guess circa 800k a week in wages off the bill (circa 40m a year!!!)
Presuming we have a budget of circa 70 million as well which may be optomistic if we dont get CL
Laporte guesstimate £30m (young defender who can form a long term partnership with Jones - and he can play a bit which is nice)
Clyne guesstimate £15m (young and english and on comparatively low wages at the moment and I think only 2 years on his contract?)
Gundogan guesstimate £15m (seems to be over his injury and out of contract at the end of next season with no cl football at dortmund should not be too expensive?)
Carvahllo guesstimate £20m (I thought he was overated when people were talking £35m but the price mentioned now seems more realistic also helped by the £ vs the euro)
Draxler guesstimate £30m (isnt that his buy out clause?)
Dybala guesstimate £30m (I think the chairman mentioned this figure?)
Goretzka guesstimate £15m (great prospect probably wouldnt cost a fortune plus with a low euro could be great value)
Deepay guesstimate £20m (would surely be enough to grab him from PSG)
total spend £175 and probably no more in wages than would be saved by the sales and of course we would be saving a fortune by not paying falcao
Net spend of circa £55m
----------------------------Valdez--------------------------
Clyne--------------Jones---------------Laporte-----------Shaw
---------------Gundogan------------ Carvahllo------------------
Januzaj--------------------Rooney---------------------Draxler
----------------------------Dybala-----------------------------
Amos, Smalling, Blind, Carrick, Herrera, Mata, Van Persi _ on the bench
Johnson, Rojo, Rafael, Goretzka, Periera, Deepay, Wilson in the squad
Milinkovich, Mcnair, Blackett, Janko, Powell, Lingaard, Henriquez _ making up the squad or loaned out _ plus Thorpe, James, Keane, and even Kehnde who is supposedly very highly thought of.
I doubt we will have a team looking like that next season but if we did I think it would be awsome - pace a plenty and lots of young players hungry for success with defenders (and a keeper) who are all decent on the ball, and a midfield that has the power to dominate games - plus Rooney in what I personally think is his best position.
After that post you need a title change "The Art of Muppetry"
Depay and Goretzka not even on the bench. Why should these two be so stupid?if Gundogan does show signs of interest, we should be all over that. the season Dortmund got to the champions league final he was the best midfielder in europe. amazing talent.
If we don't get CL football I'd be quite happy to see LVG buy players for the future rather than established names.
Bale, Reus and co will all command big big wages if we aren't in CL (if they would even come in first place) so let's build the squad to compete in a year or two, under the style of play he wants.
Of course, we all want to be challenging for the title each year but let's be brutally honest, this current squad is some way off that.
We need at least:
2 x CB
1 x RB
2 x CM
1 x Winger
1 x CF
That won't be achieved in a couple of windows.
LVG will get us there but this is a long process. Europa league football could we be an option next season and having the likes of Nani coming back in the squad will help us out there.
Big names are not the answer I don't think. If it has to be a marque signing let's make it youthful and build. Bale would not get us back in the CL if our defence is still mid table stuff.
Build from the back and let's start again.
I hate not bing in Europes elite but we will be back. Build a team to play his way and we will be successful in Europe again.
Bale, Reus and co will all command big big wages if we aren't in CL (if they would even come in first place) so let's build the squad to compete in a year or two, under the style of play he wants.
Of course, we all want to be challenging for the title each year but let's be brutally honest, this current squad is some way off that.
We need at least:
2 x CB
1 x RB
2 x CM
1 x Winger
1 x CF
That won't be achieved in a couple of windows.
LVG will get us there but this is a long process. Europa league football could we be an option next season and having the likes of Nani coming back in the squad will help us out there.
Big names are not the answer I don't think. If it has to be a marque signing let's make it youthful and build. Bale would not get us back in the CL if our defence is still mid table stuff.
Build from the back and let's start again.
I hate not bing in Europes elite but we will be back. Build a team to play his way and we will be successful in Europe again.
--------------------DDG--------------------------
Clyne---varanne---Laporte or Godin---Shaw Subs Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Rojo (Sell Rafael & Evans)
-------Carrick-----Gundogan------ (Try and buy cover for Carrick who has the attributes Blind is missing)
Di Maria-----Herrera/Mata------ Depay/Adnan (sell Fellaini)
-------------------RVP/Rooney---------- (Sell Hernandez, let falcao go) Buy young striker like Dybala
Clyne---varanne---Laporte or Godin---Shaw Subs Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Rojo (Sell Rafael & Evans)
-------Carrick-----Gundogan------ (Try and buy cover for Carrick who has the attributes Blind is missing)
Di Maria-----Herrera/Mata------ Depay/Adnan (sell Fellaini)
-------------------RVP/Rooney---------- (Sell Hernandez, let falcao go) Buy young striker like Dybala
I'd like to see a relatively decisive Summer where we address a few issues with the squad whilst not overhauling the team and ending up going through another season in transition, something like:
Out
Hernandez c. £10m
Lindegaard c. £1m
Evans c. £8m
Powell c. £2m
Cleverley Free
Januzaj Loan
In
Nani
Varane / Godin / Garay
Bale / Depay
Danilo / Piszczek
Shouldn't be more than £100m net and clears out the majority of our saleable sub-standard player's, improves out first team in 3 key positions and limits the upheaval of signing 6-7 player's and us spending another 6 months looking for our best selection. Would allow us to go into the Summer of 2016 only needing 2 big money signings, a centre forward to replace RVP and central midfielder to replace Carrick.
Out
Hernandez c. £10m
Lindegaard c. £1m
Evans c. £8m
Powell c. £2m
Cleverley Free
Januzaj Loan
In
Nani
Varane / Godin / Garay
Bale / Depay
Danilo / Piszczek
Shouldn't be more than £100m net and clears out the majority of our saleable sub-standard player's, improves out first team in 3 key positions and limits the upheaval of signing 6-7 player's and us spending another 6 months looking for our best selection. Would allow us to go into the Summer of 2016 only needing 2 big money signings, a centre forward to replace RVP and central midfielder to replace Carrick.
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I think we need at least:
1 CB
1 RB
2 CMs (1 box to box and 1 holding)
1 Wide man
Wont happen, but my inner muppet thinks two of Veratti/Pogba and Godin/Hummels, with possibly Depay as the wide man.
1 CB
1 RB
2 CMs (1 box to box and 1 holding)
1 Wide man
Wont happen, but my inner muppet thinks two of Veratti/Pogba and Godin/Hummels, with possibly Depay as the wide man.
He's doing well recently, at least whenever I watched him.
I've had a good think about this and I assume he wants to play 4231 next season, his preferred 433.
For this system we currently lack (including depth):
-2 Box-to-box midfielders
-Rightback
-Left winger (assuming Di Maria/Januzaj compete for the right)
-Right centreback
-Depth for LCB/LB
Memphis Depay is a no brainer for me, I've pretty much seen all his matches since they've been broadcasted including his youth matches. He's a perfect fit imo.
Rightback is probably Clyne/Danillo. Not sure what his plans are with McNair and Valencia but Rafael probably is leaving.
Box-to-box players are a hard to find commodity and I think he wanted Strootman after this season. His new setback (removing scar tissue from the first operation which succeeded) means he's back only just before preseason. Not sure if we'll go for him, but we sure as hell are going for someone like him. We won't buy 2 of these type of players since they're expensive. The 2nd midfielder will probably be a player who can cover for CDM and BTB.
A good right centreback to replace one of Jones/Smalling. Marquinhos/Hummels, or someone who's good in ball possesion.
Maybe Evans will be replaced with another multifunctional LCB/LB to cover for Rojo and Shaw, probably won't be a first team player. Depends on Blackett.
So for the positions:
GK: De Gea, Valdes
RB: Clyne, Valencia, McNair
RCB: Hummels, Smalling, McNair
LCB: Rojo, new backup1, Blackett
LB: Shaw, new backup1, Rojo, Blind
CDM: Blind, Carrick, new backup2
BTB: a Strootman type, new backup2
CAM: Herrera, Fellaini, Rooney
LW: Memphis, Young, Lingard
RW: Di Maria, Januzaj, Valencia
ST: Rooney, RvP, Wilson
Leaving:
Hernandez, Falcao, Cleverly, Lindegaard, Nani, Jones, Evans, Rafael, Mata
For this system we currently lack (including depth):
-2 Box-to-box midfielders
-Rightback
-Left winger (assuming Di Maria/Januzaj compete for the right)
-Right centreback
-Depth for LCB/LB
Memphis Depay is a no brainer for me, I've pretty much seen all his matches since they've been broadcasted including his youth matches. He's a perfect fit imo.
Rightback is probably Clyne/Danillo. Not sure what his plans are with McNair and Valencia but Rafael probably is leaving.
Box-to-box players are a hard to find commodity and I think he wanted Strootman after this season. His new setback (removing scar tissue from the first operation which succeeded) means he's back only just before preseason. Not sure if we'll go for him, but we sure as hell are going for someone like him. We won't buy 2 of these type of players since they're expensive. The 2nd midfielder will probably be a player who can cover for CDM and BTB.
A good right centreback to replace one of Jones/Smalling. Marquinhos/Hummels, or someone who's good in ball possesion.
Maybe Evans will be replaced with another multifunctional LCB/LB to cover for Rojo and Shaw, probably won't be a first team player. Depends on Blackett.
So for the positions:
GK: De Gea, Valdes
RB: Clyne, Valencia, McNair
RCB: Hummels, Smalling, McNair
LCB: Rojo, new backup1, Blackett
LB: Shaw, new backup1, Rojo, Blind
CDM: Blind, Carrick, new backup2
BTB: a Strootman type, new backup2
CAM: Herrera, Fellaini, Rooney
LW: Memphis, Young, Lingard
RW: Di Maria, Januzaj, Valencia
ST: Rooney, RvP, Wilson
Leaving:
Hernandez, Falcao, Cleverly, Lindegaard, Nani, Jones, Evans, Rafael, Mata
If the recent rumours of Memphis and Gundogan at £20M each turn out to be near the mark it would be a great start to the window IMO.
Vietto for £14M should also be a priority IMO.
That leaves the rest of the money for a top CB, a younger CB and a powerful CM.
Vietto for £14M should also be a priority IMO.
That leaves the rest of the money for a top CB, a younger CB and a powerful CM.
Who exactly are these overpaid "superstar" signings?
Falcao - Yes he has been shot but we didn't even buy him anyway.
Di Maria - He will probably come good when in a functioning attack.
They are the only players we have recruited that could be considered close to superstars. And we only bought one!
So according to Mike Keegan, we've got three summer signings wrapped up.
Who do we reckon they are?
Who do we reckon they are?
Depay I would imagine is one of the signings.
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