As if talking about that is in any way productive. He has pressure, but so did Wayne Rooney when he first came to Manchester United. It's a risk, and disproportionate to what he's proven in the game so far, but taking risks is not in itself wrong. If he turns out to be an absolute superstar in the making, then given we needed a striker and there was no one seemingly available, then it might turn out to be a sensible choice.
It has absolutely nothing even remotely in common with Wayne Rooney at all. Rooney is a domestic product for a start, he came to the club at a time when there was a hierarchy of strikers already at the club. Ruud leading the way, Saha and Smith as the backup with Rooney the hot prospect that was poached into the club because Newcastle had forced our hand. The environment in which he had to grow was far different to what it is at the moment.
I am talking about the negligence of the club. Buying in a young player at the last minute and thrusting into a mess of a forward line which the manager has had two window's to sort out. Like I said in the other thread I would have had no qualms if he had have come into the squad with three other strikers and an obvious environment for him to learn and thrive. It has been poorly handled from a business perspective to have one recognized senior striker, to then go out and pay top dollar for a young player who has barely any experience.
It isn't the fans that I am worried about.
Of course it has something in common with Rooney unless you simply want to ignore things and pretend they don't exist. Rooney was also a teenager with an enormous price tag on his shoulders. Other factors being different doesn't remove certain obvious similarities.
The manager has faith in Rooney. He didn't find another striker that was top class so he went with someone he strong believes will. I don't disagree that were light up top, but at the same time I don't believe it's going to "damaging" for the kid. It can not be enough for United and at the same time be a great opportunity for martial. Whether he's genuinely that level of talent remains to be seen.
We aren't asking him for any such thing. We're asking a young player to come to our club to fulfil his potential and become a great striker with us. You're reading too much into it and assuming he's going to replace our entire attack and be listed down as 4 players on the team sheet.
You aren't offering a contrary opinion here, you're just stating that I am ignoring things and pretending things (of which I have stated for you twice now) don't exist. It is not the case. Rooney is a domestic player, he was playing in the same nation as the club he moved to. He was on the verge of signing for Newcastle until United/Ferguson came in and signed him. He'd also been playing domestically for two seasons prior in the same league giving a vast road test of his ability and potential.
"You lot" being who, might I ask? As I am arguing completely contrary to this point, the situation is far from ideal to let go three (Falcao included, but of course understandably so) of your other senior strikers and sign a young and unproven player with gigantic money. That is like buying four expensive 28 inch rims and putting them in your bedroom because you don't have a licence or a car yet.
Again, you've missed the point. He is going straight into the first team and being expected to perform, that is a fact. For two reasons; Why would you spend an excessive amount of money and then not utilize your asset? Also why would you clear off your other assets and then not use what you have just paid a lot of money for.
Because you're ignoring things I'm saying, I'm saying you're ignoring things I'm saying.
There are indeed some similarities but your prerogative if you don't want to consider that.
I haven't missed anything. Plenty of young players play first team football and are expected to perform, and that's a fact.
Because that is precisely your concern and noone is hung up on any misconception. I disagree that we've planted seeds of hell for the lad. He's got a great opportunity. I'm sure he's delighted. Up to him to prove himself over the next 2-3 years and us to help him do that.
Not seeds of hell, but jesus christ it is not an ideal situation to be bringing in a young player with barely any big time experience and a lot of expectation for big money. That is all I am trying to say, lets be realistic here. This has the same chance of going tits up as it does of being a great piece of business.
Sure. Look, we're mostly on the same page that it isn't an ideal situation. I've said a number of times that the LVG took over a poor United attack and only Memphis was the new face in that attack (and now the teenage Martial). That's a pretty poor response to a United attack that was already pretty weak. So I'm no fan of our attack. But from Martial's perspective I think it's not a bad situation. Most 19 year olds talents would kill for this scenario.
Okay, I think this is where we differ/disagree. I don't think the attack was poor in general, it was just stretched to include players who needed the entire system built around them.
Got a good feeling about this one.Haha that actually made me laugh, hear hear.
Well, OK, but it will just be interesting whether he sees himself in Martial at all
Lets just hope that Van Gaal and our scouts know a bit more than "people in France" eh?
To counter the 3 Spanish Amigos with the 3 French Musketeers?
