They could have been released at any stage the last few years for not very much I’d wager
Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director
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Think they should both go if Jassim gets club
There has to be a transition period. I personally would like to see murtough and Arnold gone under the new owners and experts with a proven track record coming in, but it can't happen over night especially if the keys are handed over during the summer transfer window.
Hope the first thing he do is bin these "experts".
What a bonus it would be to see some of these clowns gone. As a further bonus, I won't have to explain why incompetence like this is punished in any other industry.
From the outside it’s like these two have the cushiest of jobs. They get to take credit for successful transfers but none of the blame for failures. If they can’t sign a player or a transfer turns to crap they can easily point out that the manager demanded that player. Also I’m pretty sure they have got a bunch of staff doing all the paperwork and communication to sort out. It looks to me like they are just middlemen passing info from here to there.
If Glazers say it’s too expensive they get to go back and ask the manager for another target, if the manager doesn’t have one then look for the biggest name in the market. I know I’m oversimplifying these things but that’s what our transfer history is showing.
If Glazers say it’s too expensive they get to go back and ask the manager for another target, if the manager doesn’t have one then look for the biggest name in the market. I know I’m oversimplifying these things but that’s what our transfer history is showing.
Only if they work out. I don't really care about getting big names and don't follow transfer rumours at all. The only thing proven by getting transfers done is that you can say the biggest number. All I care about is whether the team is better after the summer then before.
I've seen it explained here but I'm not sure what their sources are.
It's Woodward's fault that a United tax even exists. In order to dispel it, Murtough has to start rejecting asking prices and losing out on transfers.
The Mount deal is one step backwards so that the club can eventually take two steps forwards. It's the only way. A new football director isn't going to change our reputation by doing anything else.
The Mount deal is one step backwards so that the club can eventually take two steps forwards. It's the only way. A new football director isn't going to change our reputation by doing anything else.
I'm pretty sure I heard the words "United tax" back in the days when no one had any idea who Ed Woodward was, period to 2013.
When you are up against other clubs for a player I can understand paying higher than anyone else to get the player. Utds name hasnt the weight it had in the past, so to get a Declan Rice, for example, we would have to outbid everyone else.
What I dont understand is when we go for the likes of Pogba or Sancho that we dont try and negotiate the fee lower. I know we apparently waited a year, but still paid a high price for Sancho and our record signing is still Pogba, but we were the only ones in for them.
Same with the wages. Why go and double their wages when both wanted to come here anyhow? Why didnt Utd tell them to put in a transfer request if they wanted to come and put pressure on the selling teams?
What I dont understand is when we go for the likes of Pogba or Sancho that we dont try and negotiate the fee lower. I know we apparently waited a year, but still paid a high price for Sancho and our record signing is still Pogba, but we were the only ones in for them.
Same with the wages. Why go and double their wages when both wanted to come here anyhow? Why didnt Utd tell them to put in a transfer request if they wanted to come and put pressure on the selling teams?
Our “sources” it’s not some secret
It’s on the official Man Utd website:Darren will work closely with John to add technical input and direction into all football and performance areas. He will focus on a co-ordinated and long-term approach to player and squad development, helping maintain the integral link between the Academy and the first team, aligned with Manchester United’s values and culture.
https://www.manutd.com/en/amp/news/...t-of-football-director-and-technical-director
They'll most likely be gone regardless of who the new owner is. There were already stories about Jim wanting to get his own people in, and you would assume it would be the same for Jassim.
They won’t, seen reports of Jassim wanting to give people in charge time. It’s not like they’ve had their hands tied behind their backs this whole time making their job harder whilst Joel has been taking far too long to make decisions.
Who’s to say the people they bring in do better? People in charge at Nice have been diabolical.
You really think they’ll come in and wipe out whole departments? Horrible business decision to make. To come in and just wipe whole departments in and make whole sale changes.
I think Arnold/Murtough have done relatively well all things considered.
How would you rank the importance of these three groups of people in terms of the club being successful on the pitch?
- The owners
- The people running the club (Arnold, Murtough, etc)
- The manager and coaching staff
- The owners
- The people running the club (Arnold, Murtough, etc)
- The manager and coaching staff
Depends on the clubs structure. The most successful club of the last 20 years is by far Real Madrid and the key man behind their success is the clubs chairman - Florentino Perez.
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Although you can get away with bad owners with a top manager (Liverpool/ SAF). Not sustainable though.
I hope the new owners show these two the door on day one... followed by most/all other board members.
The chain doesn’t work if the bottom two rungs work well and the top takes too long to make decisions.
If the top (Joel) doesn’t work then the one directly underneath (Murtough/Arnold) look incompetent & then by design the manager (Ole/LVG,Mou etc etc) look shite because players aren’t being brought in that they want.
Glazers are the problem & we will look 10x better once we get new owners in.
This is ridiculous & I’ve explained above why.
And I'll explain why you're wrong: they have both proved to be pretty damn useless. We need a proper, experienced DoF
New DOF and a new structure. The current is useless with the manager sitting on the same level as the DOF.
New owners, new DOF and if he the DOF wants - let him clean house. Get his own head coach, head of recruitment, academy etc in and have real synergy in the clubs vision going forward.
After 2 years of watching them fumble around, I can say that Fletcher and Murtough are as hopeless as Ed was at guiding transfer strategy.
They’re fumbling because the man who makes the final decision on things takes far too long to make a decision. The owner!
As much as I think we can upgrade on these people I think that once the Glazers are hopefully gone everyone will realise that actually John Murtough and Arnold aren’t necessarily the problem, it’s Joel Glazer, the guy micromanages every transfer decision, every bid etc
He will put in whoever he thinks can convince the most circus signings. Whoever can convince neymar that he will be allowed to fly to Brasil for parties as often as he wants
You think we should be excited to let whoever Qatar appointment replace ten hag?New DOF and a new structure. The current is useless with the manager sitting on the same level as the DOF.
New owners, new DOF and if he the DOF wants - let him clean house. Get his own head coach, head of recruitment, academy etc in and have real synergy in the clubs vision going forward.
Has anyone actually seen what happens at psg lads
New DOF and a new structure. The current is useless with the manager sitting on the same level as the DOF.
New owners, new DOF and if he the DOF wants - let him clean house. Get his own head coach, head of recruitment, academy etc in and have real synergy in the clubs vision going forward.
So get a new DOF and sack Ten Hag?
That's your plan?
Only if the DOF feels like he needs his own head coach. It's no different to letting a manager sign new players.
It would seem to be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. We've quite clearly got the manager choice correct for the first time in a decade so it's an insane plan to me.
Not hard to look up, Fletcher himself had to come out at one stage to tell people his job. People are confused by his job title and by these silly narratives flying around the internet
Sack ETH. Your posts are insane
In what way have they fumbled? It is these sort of absurd opinions that make little sense.
Murtough got rid of the chief scouts last season. He promoted one of the scouts we already had too, I believe the one who spotted Caeicedo. We have also expanded the data analytics team (slowly), with new hires including Dominic Jordan and Alex Kleyn, previously from Southampton.
A lot of things are clearly happening behind the scenes.
It's great that they've promoted a few people and hired some names I have no clue about. I hope it works out well.
I thinking more along the lines of getting transfers done earlier in the window and making some savvy sales to generate more transfer income, both of which I see no evidence of.
People keep saying two years but that Woodward clown only fecked off last Feb. He's really only had since then to put his own stamp on things without interference from that gobshite.
I'll see how this window actually goes and if this revamped recruitment team can show their worth.
I'll see how this window actually goes and if this revamped recruitment team can show their worth.
Also remember we still have the same owners who have to sign things off.
Not really. The clubs long term success will be determined by a structure that outlasts the manager.
Everybody moaning as usual. We are in the middle of the club being sold by people who notoriously cannot make their bloody minds up about anything. It has been the same every summer since they took over. Just be grateful you are not in a car behind them in a drive through.
I respectfully think your plan is madness. Any DOF that thinks it'd be a good idea to remove Ten Hag now isn't fit for the job imo so perhaps it wouldn't be an issue but sort of odd to bring up.
Good point and they make everything painfully slow... Bastards.