Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director
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IIRC they weren't mentioned clearly but the description pointed to these two. Wasn't there a rumor that Mourinho was upset because one of the football executive who was closer to Woodward had different opinions? At the time I deduced that it was Murtough because he was the only board member that had a day to day job, the others are SAF and Sir Bobby Charlton.
You are not wrong, but again, if you read the rest of my post, I am saying that Hassan who was inexperienced, yet he was able to thrive in Bayern not only because they have competent people but also because there is a structure in place, had he failed he would be replaced, just as Kovac who failed as coach was replaced, that's the definition of a "well oiled machine".
All I am saying is building a football structure is the first step, let's see how the ones appointed perform.
And according to Ducker, Fletcher will take a part on communicating to the players during these negotiations.
So far he’s been awful, I concede. But he’ll be one of those who comes good once he finds his feet here
im sensing Murtough will call more sense on his stupid wage negotiations, and Fletcher is damage limitation when he puts foot in mouth talking to players. Basically the guy is a shambles doing his job and has been allowed to continue with babysitters
With United ,I do not trust the people who make those appointments to look at Fletcher and be able to deduce whether he's got what takes to do that role.
I also do not trust them to realize at a later time whether he's doing a good job or not and let him go if he isn't.
They were name-checked in this article.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/inside-story-jose-mourinhos-man-13770482
I saw it when I searched the caf for the word "Murtough" earlier to see what people had said about him before now.
VDS was different because not only has he played at the very top but he also has a Masters in Sports and Brand Management.
Now what does Fletcher do? Is he going to help Ole in doing what?
Is he above Ole? The same with the new Footballing Director? How can Ole be reporting to him? Ole is more senior to either of them.
I would say this is a cop out by Woodward.
Now what does Fletcher do? Is he going to help Ole in doing what?
Is he above Ole? The same with the new Footballing Director? How can Ole be reporting to him? Ole is more senior to either of them.
I would say this is a cop out by Woodward.
You have trust issues then
I see, I had an older article in mind by Mitten I believe.
This is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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Giving an agreement to a deal is quite different to actually doing most of the legwork for a deal, no? It's the latter which the Judge/Woodward duo sucked at. Now we have a football man to watch over Judge.
We're expected to sign them all this summer right?
This is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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Not going to write them off before they have even started but does feel a little bit like a safe internal promotion whereas I think many fans would have preferred an experienced outsider like a Mitchell/Campos with Fletcher working alongside him as it would have given us the best of both worlds.
This is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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What we actually wanted was a director of technical football. Woodward
It has been reported that United under Woodward have largely used intermediaries so it's a stretch to say that they are the ones doing most of the legword and that they suck at it.
Anyone who can't see the rationale in this needs to objectively understand how a proper structure imposes a consistent foundation. If for example Solskjaer is sacked within the next two years the benefit with the DOF influence is that there's a continuity in the direction of the club regarding transfers, the next manager, the ethos and a plan.
Whereas if Ole is sacked without these infrastructures the club will potentially face a Mourinho-esque situation regarding rebuilding and we enter back into what I call the revolving door transition with no means to an end. The positives far outweigh the negatives it's not even.comparable.
Whereas if Ole is sacked without these infrastructures the club will potentially face a Mourinho-esque situation regarding rebuilding and we enter back into what I call the revolving door transition with no means to an end. The positives far outweigh the negatives it's not even.comparable.
Most of these people didn't want any appointment who wasn't one of 3 or 4 hipster dofs who would sign upamecano in their mind and bring in the latest flavor of month German manager
The main positive is we won't sign allegri if ole leaves
You have trust issues then
They tend to be based on the last eight years...
Let them eat cake eh?This is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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Using intermediaries is a bit sucky, no?
On the other hand you've stories of Murtough flying out to personally see and talk to youth players to sign them.For the last two years or so, we kept on hearing that Judge is the one doing the negotiations and not Woodward. So what has changed?
I wouldn't be surprised if after feeding the media that information for years, only to see that people are still blaming Woodward, United gave Judge this 'role' in order to hammer in the point: It's all him, not Woodward.
You can't actually be more obvious than giving someone the title of 'Director of Football Negotiations'. I've never heard of it before at another club, and he doesn't need to be called that in order to do that work. I'm sure he's doing other things at the club, as you don't need someone to do negotiating full time.
I think the issue here is people don't think this a structural change. Just a decoy move. The same guy doing same stuff since 2014 under a new name.
A person got promotion to a supposed to be more important new role, yet during all this time, it didn't look a job well done.
A person got promotion to a supposed to be more important new role, yet during all this time, it didn't look a job well done.
This is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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Are you surprised? It’s like those that want Ole out only to moan when Ed delivers Nicky Butt as his replacement.
Tradition of training on job, you say?
Take quite long for this search/training of DOF and Technical director.
Using intermediaries is a bit sucky, no?
No, it's fairly common. And youth recruitment is a totally different thing it's more personal and "human" while transfer dealings are very business like because huge amounts of money are involved and there are legal limitations regarding tampering since players are generally under contract.
I think it's still going to be Judge doing the negotiations and still going to be Woodward giving final go ahead. I think however the process flow is a bit different and likely better now, Woodward only getting involved only at the end to sign off, rather than at each stage. Murtough oversees the entire recruitment process until the sign off bit.
Woodward promoted his long-time poodle so nobody bothers him anymore asking about DoF appointment. If we were serious club, we'd be getting Edwin van der Sar. The huge gap in quality between VdS and Murtough is the same size of the gap we have from being a well-run major club.
Only insofar as they make money, but mostly - no.
Fair enough, it's not something I know too much about. It does make me feel better though, that we've a guy who's full time on the job to get the footballing requirements in order.
Outside of an acquisition, no CEO is going to step down to take a less prestigious role at a larger organization. People need to stop dreaming that VDS is going to come here and be director of football after being the Chief Execuitve at Ajax.
Not if he was gonna be asked to be Woodward's poodle, but a proper Director of Footbal at one of the world's largest clubs, Man United, hardly sounds like a step-down from a CEO of tiny Ajax.
Ah yes remember we were ' going to test Dortmund's resolve'. That went well
Yes, it's a step down going from CEO to DoF. Ajax is one of Europe's most prestigious and historic clubs.
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Club Hierarchy according to the Athletic
Why would you assume Fletcher would have no input?
Also, why are you blaming Carrick and McKenna for tactics?