In the past the manager would do all these things yes. Now Ole would be more like a coach, picking the team and doing training I guess with other people having ultimate responsibility in the other areas
Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director
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In the past the manager would do all these things yes. Now Ole would be more like a coach, picking the team and doing training I guess with other people having ultimate responsibility in the other areas
Why do people keep saying things like this?
Woodward hasn't been involved in the day to day of the football stuff for years.
What does the year have to do with anything? The role of a DOF has never changed over the years and as you`ve clearly stated there were bumps along the road for Barca and it was not smooth sailing but eventually Txiki got it right with time every role and decision will come with its risk but until you give it a proper chance its silly to immediately declare outright failure if anything it strengthens the belief that the appointments made today are not as bad as you make them out to be.
Have you factored in that it took Txiki like 3/4 years before he won the title with City?(with oil money a big reason why) They didn`t become an instant success the moment he came in you`re being very unrealistic if you think anyone will come in and make us title challengers in the space of a year or two it will take time regardless of who comes in. I should also add that City prior to oil money had no identity as a football club thats why hiring an outsider to instill something brand new has worked out better for them than it would for Utd who have a defined philosophy that dates back years and years ago even Pre Fergie thats why LVG and Jose failed here despite their pedigree and why despite his flaws Ole is more likely to succeed here than those two he understands Utd a lot more than his predecessors. Trusting people who actually know what the club is about coupled with competent footballing brains is a more sensible way and more likely to work than plucking outsiders who will have a completely different philosophy and as a result likely to fail here despite their pedigree like the DOFs I`ve talked about in my previous post
We`ve been trying to create this DOF role for years a lot of finances and strategy have been used to put it in place its EXTREMELY cynical to think even Woodward would cancel it altogether if it didn`t work out the first time even from a business point of view it would not be intelligent
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Liverpool just beat them last season to title with Rookie DOF who started as analyst with them
But I don't actually believe DOF are some mythical figures we have tendency to overstate their impact .
The quotes from Solskjaer make Fletcher's role sound relatively limited if he's to continue coaching too, even in a more limited degree.
Or maybe "all-purpose" is more accurate than limited if he's floating between the coaching and recruitment sides of thing helping out.
Having someone with a football background involved in negotiations (rather than the lawyers Evra was complaining about us sending to woo players) is a plus though. You can imagine how him being directly involved with the coaching team would help there too.
Well said, these are the things fans don't research before making comments. Alot of organisations re-structure within too.
If you look at what Murtough has done at Everton and Manutd, you will realise why he is being promoted. The work he has done with the youth set up, the womens team etc has all proven to be really good.
I’ll just stick to hardcore pornography thanks.
At least that way the underwhelming disappointing only floods over me after I’m done with my google-ing.
Good thing, I guess. I'm just underwhelmed with the choice.
It means Oles clock has been set to zero to give this fella 3 years to implement his plans.
Bookmark is your friend, mate.
Not sure that's strictly true.
While that generally hasn't been his role, he has still had to step in on occasion. For example, as reported in MEN:
So it is true that this re-structure should give him yet more distance from the football side of things, even in crisis situations.
And having another layer of management between him and the man negotiating the deals is presumably a bit more distance in that regard too.
Did they actually interview anyone else for these roles? Pretty sure they said that was the original plan.
It's official. Man United fans will moan about anything.
According to Luckhurst in the MEN they did.
That's probably a fairer assessment/perspective. It's a squad game after all but of course we tend to focus on what we perceive to be our strongest starting 11.
At the very least we are recruiting players that are good overall additions to the squad.
I am very excited by the potential of some of the academy talent we have been hoovering up over the last couple of years.
It's basically repackaging what's already here instead of getting a proven DOF in.
old wine in new bottle. It changes nothing.
Well at least we will finally stop getting "Woodward Out" threads. It will now be "Murtough Out" instead when we don't spend 250 million every transfer window!
Disappointing, very disappointing.
I was looking forward to Amad being announced as our new DOF alongside his role as the future best player of all time.
I was looking forward to Amad being announced as our new DOF alongside his role as the future best player of all time.
This. Can't understand how people can't see that.
This
At last, a DoF! What’s his experience in this role, anyone know?
As long Woodward is no longer in charge of all operations, I am absolutely satisfied.
Darren Fletcher??!!! Man Utd has a serious good old boy problem.
Ahh, it was a director of football we needed. Not a football director.
I’ve just finished work and can’t be bothered to read all 13 pages.
Help me out. Is this thread full of screaming babies who are devastated that this magical ‘dof’ isn’t some jumped-up arsehole from Spain or Italy?
I’m so excited. All we ever needed to win football matches was a magical dof. I cant wait to dissect their ability to perform their role as a result of the next dreary point away to West Ham. When is the bus parade through the city? Our next title is a given now.
Help me out. Is this thread full of screaming babies who are devastated that this magical ‘dof’ isn’t some jumped-up arsehole from Spain or Italy?
I’m so excited. All we ever needed to win football matches was a magical dof. I cant wait to dissect their ability to perform their role as a result of the next dreary point away to West Ham. When is the bus parade through the city? Our next title is a given now.
Whether people like what we’ve ended up or not, we have clearly put someone between Woodward and OGS when we it comes to recruitment which is basically what people wanted.
For me, it shows that people had absolutely no idea what the role of DOF actually entails. We already had people in place doing the vast majority of the job, but at times it seemed fans thought the club was a rudderless ship captained by a catatonic Woodward, when that hasn't been the place for a number of years. The structure and the direction the club is looking to take has been apparent for a while now. When you look at the investment made in the youth set up, the type of players we've targeted and even the age demographic of our squad compared to two/three years ago, it's obvious the foundations are already in place, and now we appointed someone to oversee the development of that blueprint.
Surprised at how many people are saying it's more of the same, as if the actual structure of the club doesn't matter at all.
In any organisation, introducing a new layer of management and oversight over a given position should impact that position, which is what has happened with the recruitment side. Matt Judge now has a new layer of management and oversight to answer to in his role as the person who negotiates deals, as opposed to reporting directly to an old university friend.
Meanwhile our negotiation team now has an ex-player and member of the coaching staff directly involved. Again, the lack of that presence was something people like Evra (and then fans) have publicly complained about. So if you believed him when he spoke about the difficulties in us just sending in lawyers then the introduction of this role should be a positive. As indeed it should be if you believed him when he said he had to act as an intermediary between other clubs/agents and our recruitment staff.
If all businesses took the the POV that restructuring without outside recruitment was pointless then a lot of businesses would be a lot less productive.
In any organisation, introducing a new layer of management and oversight over a given position should impact that position, which is what has happened with the recruitment side. Matt Judge now has a new layer of management and oversight to answer to in his role as the person who negotiates deals, as opposed to reporting directly to an old university friend.
Meanwhile our negotiation team now has an ex-player and member of the coaching staff directly involved. Again, the lack of that presence was something people like Evra (and then fans) have publicly complained about. So if you believed him when he spoke about the difficulties in us just sending in lawyers then the introduction of this role should be a positive. As indeed it should be if you believed him when he said he had to act as an intermediary between other clubs/agents and our recruitment staff.
If all businesses took the the POV that restructuring without outside recruitment was pointless then a lot of businesses would be a lot less productive.
There are more people complaining about the people who have reservations than there are people complaining.
Might be good might not. Might be a real change, might be a change to just try appease some people.
I'm skeptical. We will see fairly quick if things are different.
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Yeah totally agree as fans we tend to focus on the starting 11, rightly so when we do have areas we need to improve on.
We just had a poor window after failing to get Sancho but at the same time it wasn’t a complete failure, I’m excited to see more of Diallo in particular.
If we can have a good window this summer and address some of our weaknesses we could be a totally different animal next season imo.
Apparently we needed to hire somebody with 15+ years of experience like all the other well run clubs do i.e Ajax and Liverpool. Because VDS had tons of experience as a CEO before being hired by Ajax, Overmars also a director of football with years of experience and let's not forget Martin Edwards...
Well said.
I wonder who pushed to sign Van De Beek: Ole or Murtaugh?
Ha. Ffs, years of people clamouring for a DoF and you get 3 in one day!
But wait, despite none of us having the first idea what they do, these are the wrong appointments! People banging on for years about wanting VDS despite him never having been a DoF before. People wanting Monchi because they read an article about how well he did to sign Justin Kluivert.
Careful what you wish for.
But wait, despite none of us having the first idea what they do, these are the wrong appointments! People banging on for years about wanting VDS despite him never having been a DoF before. People wanting Monchi because they read an article about how well he did to sign Justin Kluivert.
Careful what you wish for.
The most promising thing is hearing Murtough was a major part of overhauling our academy which was in a similar bad way.
Let's hope he can do it for the first team now.
Let's hope he can do it for the first team now.