You have had a clear drop in performances since after your purple patch and finished trophyless. Also go ask any of the bayern fans on this board, a lot of them mentioned that. In the CL their performances definitely declined. As for the league, its hard NOT to win in that league when you have the team and resources they have and can buy your main competition's best players every season. Last season proved he cannot build a side and get the same results.
Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"
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This again?
Does City display 3rd finish trophy?
There is a reason, other clubs didn't go in for Gundogan. No one forced City to take that gamble. They do it by their own will, no excuse. Helping player to settle is also the club responsibility. If it doesn't work out, the player is deemed as flop. Again no excuse.
Pep pretty much spent money 2 times in 2 positions, so there is problem with the initial 2 signings aka wasting some fee. That can't be used as an excuse. The fee we paid look comparable to City but with context it was not. We paid for previous world record fee. It was a statement signing about our status since we were not in CL. Pogba commercial value alone during his contract length would be sufficient to justify the fee, let line his on pitch contribution. Any signings from City these past 2 season are comparable?
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Not joining the other part of the debate.
Just watched his interview. He's a weirdo with all the swaying, nose rubbing and beard scratching but the guy hates losing. He comes across as a sore loser, a bit like Jose and Conte but if he was managing United I would understand where he's coming from.
As far as their performance is concerned, they play with a lot of pace and fluidity but at times they look quite blunt. It's also not the first time under Pep. It looks nice but I am still not convinced that he has the right players. Either that or he's playing a wrong system.
As far as their performance is concerned, they play with a lot of pace and fluidity but at times they look quite blunt. It's also not the first time under Pep. It looks nice but I am still not convinced that he has the right players. Either that or he's playing a wrong system.
I agree there's a lot of exaggeration here about Pep's body language and mental collapse etc. He's always been a bit difficult with the press, and he doesn't seem to like journalists very much. Probably some of it stems back to the doping allegations during his playing career (he was upset about how the papers misreported it).
Two games in, far too early to tell. The par expectation for Pep is to win the league, considering he's easily outspent all his rivals and started with a good City side. I think City's owners would have brought him in to take the club to the next level in Europe, but maybe that's on the back-burner for now after a difficult first season. City are still PL favorites, but even if you don't win I expect Pep to stay and try again next year.
The way he moved at the end.. like he'd heard there was a nearby fire sale of the white stuff (limited offer only)
People are giving him a bit too much sh1t for the interview. English is still a second language, no matter how well he speaks it. He clearly meant that he was proud of his team. We don't need to be language police.
He's clearly under more pressure than last year but I'm not going to call him on quirks of language.
Again setting up for the season with an average keeper and a mid-table defensive unit. I can call him out for that.
With that said, they deserved to win the game. We had close draws last year and claimed we should have won. They had decent chances to score and should have had the game sewn up before Rooney scored.
They were robbed. Mike Oliver made his typically stupid impact on the game, yet even with 10 men City were brilliant second half. Everton had to strain every signew to survive in order to escape the shame of succumbing to less men. I also thought Pep's interview was spot on. I also so why he says he needs like 2 to three more players. He definitely needs another natural left back, and another center forward. I see them as our biggest threat this year. Especially if they get over this disease of constantly wasting excellent chances.
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No one serious would really go there , nevermind the cash , they just don't have the aura .
PSG also realized that and that's why they made the big buy Neymar - only now would others be really attracted and believe them they are serious .
PSG also realized that and that's why they made the big buy Neymar - only now would others be really attracted and believe them they are serious .
Guardiola is a poseur, always trying to be the more interesting man. I don't even know who I find the most unbearable between him and Klopp.
Klopp no doubt. At least Pep was minding his own bussiness. Klopp now have a habit of bringing other teams into his mumbling.
If Jonny Evans is the one he's buying to play in a back 3, he's lost the plot. Hope that happens.
They will be the same as last season, brilliant in stretches blowing lesser teams away, and maybe some big team as well, but ultimately drop too many points due to defensive errors. A slow and dull Everton side got the goal despite being battered the whole match, plenty more will do the same to them.
They will be the same as last season, brilliant in stretches blowing lesser teams away, and maybe some big team as well, but ultimately drop too many points due to defensive errors. A slow and dull Everton side got the goal despite being battered the whole match, plenty more will do the same to them.
Not really impressed so far. All the sparkling names on the Team sheet and quite mediocre perfomances.
Do they really Play better Football than before Guardiola?
Do they really Play better Football than before Guardiola?
Slightly harsh given we completely dominated Everton with 10 men, but even with a man less I think we looked a far better side when he ditched 3 at the back. Our biggest strength is in attack, but only if you play them.
This 3-5-2 formation isn't good for them. I'm curious how long it will last before Guardiola reverts to 4 at the back. If he is too stubborn it will cost them a lot in the league.
Ironically, Madrid implement better his philosophy: they are winning everything under the sun with a brilliant attack and a shaky defence. It's simple: you outscore the opposition, you win. Guardiola's problem isn't that he isn't flexible enough. Right now it's the opposite: he's tinkering too much with formations and doesn't trust his attacking players enough.
Ironically, Madrid implement better his philosophy: they are winning everything under the sun with a brilliant attack and a shaky defence. It's simple: you outscore the opposition, you win. Guardiola's problem isn't that he isn't flexible enough. Right now it's the opposite: he's tinkering too much with formations and doesn't trust his attacking players enough.
Yes you dominated them but I expected more. To me only Silva and surprisingly Sterling looked like real threats.
2 games in - far too early to start making calls about how they'll go this season.
IMO what is hurting your team is taking chances. People underestimate how it breeds confidence through a team.
I am also thinking about last season. But you are right - lets wait until Christmas before making any judgements.
If 3-5-2 is not working out for City, they can still revert back to 4 at the back as both Mendy and Walker are used to being part of such formation. However they did just go and spend £100m on two full backs with a view to make them more than classic, defensive full backs IMO. They were supposed to be wing backs and thus have a much more advanced role in the team.
Watching 2 games I am not worried about that City side. They simply lack midfield and don't have CB for playing 3 at the back like Chelsea have in Luiz. Also Walker isn't a player who can play WB in that system, he needs help and he doesn't have any. Aguero isn't a player who he was 2-3 seasons ago. It's all names but no balance.
And who they play in midfield in that case? They should play 4 at the back an allow WBs to go forward like for example Real Madrid, but they don't have midfield good enough for this.
They got shitloads of offensive midfielders who can do the job but pretty much nobody to defend. Trying to circumvent that by playing 5 defenders is IMO not a good idea. I don't know why they needed Bernardo Silva.
Agreed. Aguero at 0-0 made a yard of space and instead of pulling the trigger held on to it too long. A confident Aguero puts that away, 10 yards out. If the chances keep coming you'd hope the goals will flow. Overall though I was pleased with the fight with 10 men. A win at Bournemouth away at weekend early doors and last night will be forgotten.
Bernardo Silva was quite a strange buy. Let`s see how he turns out in the Long run.
Tearing them a new arsehole in the knockout stages probably had something to do with it.
With that attacking talent, they should be murdering smaller teams and beefing up their GD. Something's wrong and its' got a lot to do with Pep's tactics.
I think they bought him so other teams can't have him tbh.
Doesn't help when both of your keepers and all of your defenders play like they've got brain injuries.
Let's hope he spends the season trying to shoehorn in all the attackers and the balance of the team suffers as a result of it.
He's playing with 3 suspect defenders on an island and 5 attacking midfielders on another with only Fernandinho anywhere close to linking them and he is a hot headed nutter to begin with. Any half decent and organized team like Everton could cut through them like a hot knife through butter. I'm disappointed we don't play them soon because we'd probably destroy their confidence right now like Chelsea did to us last season.
The fraud is still trying to sign more wingers or Messi rather than add a proper midfield.
Strangely enough, I find Guardiola the manager version of RAWK, with Kopp being the equivalent of Blue moon. Pep does weird things and chats shit but ultimately is harmless while Kopp looks genuinely bitter, brings other teams into it and has the smalltime mentality. They should swap managers.
Come on Jose had a better season than Pep last year. Plus if you want to really look honestly into it Pep inherited a much better team and squad. City downed tools under Pelegrini hence the 4th place finish (most people had them as favourites for the league). Peps first season was underwhelming as was Jose but Jose still produced 2 trophies. The improvement is being seen at old Trafford with a lot of deadwood being moved on and players like Lukaku and Pogba signing, over at City you have signed some very good players but it's the old guard who are still your best players compared to us but Sane and Jesus do look great prospects. My point is Pep has a far better squad to start with Hart, Kompany, Fernd x2, KDB, Augero, Sterling, Silva all top top premier league players. United had DDG, Valencia, Herrera, Mata at most.
I still think they'll have a great season when their new signings (most of them players a lot of us would be happy to sign as well) gel with the rest of the team, we're two games in so any talks of them having a meltdown are premature. I hope I'm wrong though, and that Ederson has a miserable season.
I don't think comparing the total points tally of Man Utd and Man City last season is a fair measure of how well Pep and Jose had done compared to their predecessors when we probably dropped 5 points or so purely due to focusing on Europa League at one point, and it was clear that Pellegrini underachieved way more in the season before than United so they were probably much better than 66 points when Pep came. City had a stronger squad than us even before transfer window, and he spend £70m more to improve it.
Jose had a much stronger first season with two cups. League campaign was disappointing but we had so many close games that we dominated and should have won, that our 69-point tally is also not fair on team's performances. With Lukaku and Matic we would have comfortably got 8-10 more points last season.
Jose had a much stronger first season with two cups. League campaign was disappointing but we had so many close games that we dominated and should have won, that our 69-point tally is also not fair on team's performances. With Lukaku and Matic we would have comfortably got 8-10 more points last season.
As long as Kevin De Bruyne is out of form City won't be lethal.
He's a weirdo allright, but then again it was evident when he left the greatest team ever just so he could have a sabbatical. I find his passive aggressiveness quite funny, he always looks to have a rant in him and he comes up with OTT praise of the team and players when they have lost points against lesser teams. Sometimes I just think he tries too hard to portray himself like some kind of genius, especially when altering with players' positions (ie. Sané yesterday).
Still think the critisism is way OTT after this match. It's still only two games in and they lost points in a match where they got one player sent off after a joke decision and battered them after that. The signings have been very expensive but overall very good. Shame we didn't go for Bernardo Silva, he looks like a gem of a player.
Still think the critisism is way OTT after this match. It's still only two games in and they lost points in a match where they got one player sent off after a joke decision and battered them after that. The signings have been very expensive but overall very good. Shame we didn't go for Bernardo Silva, he looks like a gem of a player.
Think the return of Gundogan and Mendy will take them to another level.
The thing is by the time they're back they'll inevitably have another injury.
It seems Cities new goalie has taken over in the Bravo school of incompetence.