How much will Pep have spent at city already after these signings. £350m odd?
If he doesn't win the treble this season, he's a shit manager
If he doesn't win the treble this season, he's a shit manager
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Gundogan was impressive in 12/13. It's nearly 5 seasons ago. He's now injury prone that cannot be relied upon. There's no indication that he could get the form of 12/13.
He'll escape the bulk of criticism which will be pointed at Mourinho.
When did I claim to have higher standards?
You're just deflecting rather than dealing with the criticism.
Unlike the earlier poster who threw Mangala into calculations, eh?Yeah adding players from last window makes sense
Which one? The post El Magico quoted was the below one, where did it talk about Mangala? It clearly talks about 200 Million spent this window.
Walker and Mendy for 50m each... Well at least they're addressing their problem positions but ffs the costs for any player these days are insane. They still have shit center backs though and basically nothing when it comes to holding midfielders. But their attack will be very hard to stop, even if they don't sign Sanchez.
Edit: They'll have spent almost 200m on Ederson, Bernardo Silva, Mendy and Walker if those 2 deals go through
Arsenal's spending over the years in no way begins to compare to City's. Also I've no idea why someone would need to constantly bring up their own team when critiquing another.
Why do people here not seem to rate Walker? He was the best RB in the league last season and one of the better fullbacks in the world. I'd absolutely have him at United, even more so than Mendy. Agreed that the fee is a bit mental but the Sheikhs have unlimited money.
So...
We got Rom for 15m more than they're paying for Kyle Walker...?
Cool.
We got Rom for 15m more than they're paying for Kyle Walker...?
Cool.
I don't think you need great 'IQ' to play as a wing back for Pep. Walker has the physical attributes and had the most assists for a defender in the PL last season.
If there's any truth to that SSN report tonight then I'm very worried. City are going to have an almost unstoppable team this year, even if it did cost hundreds of millions to finish assembling during the current transfer window.
It doesn't look like we can even come close to competing with them.
It doesn't look like we can even come close to competing with them.
Just another £200-300m now and Pep can fully show his genious and how easily he conquers the PL.
I'm sorry but that's a load of crap IMO. No team is unstoppable, certainly not City.If there's any truth to that SSN report tonight then I'm very worried. City are going to have an almost unstoppable team this year, even if it did cost hundreds of millions to finish assembling during the current transfer window.
It doesn't look like we can even come close to competing with them.
You have a very apt username.If there's any truth to that SSN report tonight then I'm very worried. City are going to have an almost unstoppable team this year, even if it did cost hundreds of millions to finish assembling during the current transfer window.
It doesn't look like we can even come close to competing with them.
He reminds me a bit of Valencia; physically fantastic with endless stamina levels, improved a lot defensively, but is very wasteful in the final third. He isn't perfect in the way Alves would be but he's a damn sight better than what they're used to. Him and Mendy bombing forward every game would add a lot to their attack.
Their problem isn't their attack. It will be interesting to see how City do next season. If Pep really has learnt his lesson and comes up with a new way to play but these signings suggest stubbornness.
Their problem will always be their defence. Guardiola even admitted something like that last season about how his system is actually adverse to defenders. Still... Mendy and Walker are still defensively stronger than Kolarov/Clichy and Sagna.
Yeah might as well pack up and leave. Invincible Pep and City will dominate the world (maybe the universe too, who knows?). Quadruple over quadruple guaranteed pretty much every year from now. I think we might as well just give them all the trophies, why even bother with football?If there's any truth to that SSN report tonight then I'm very worried. City are going to have an almost unstoppable team this year, even if it did cost hundreds of millions to finish assembling during the current transfer window.
It doesn't look like we can even come close to competing with them.
On a serious note though, the amount of money being spent by Pep is insane. Surely he will be expected to win a major trophy this season. Anything else would be a failure on his part. Unless they upgrade their defence, they'll still have the same weakness as last season. The board have pretty much delivered everything he wanted and it'll be interesting to see what City do next season.
He shouldn't get any plaudits if they do win silverware this season, but you know he will. Can do no wrong.
So what you're saying is that City is the level we should aspire to?If there's any truth to that SSN report tonight then I'm very worried. City are going to have an almost unstoppable team this year, even if it did cost hundreds of millions to finish assembling during the current transfer window.
It doesn't look like we can even come close to competing with them.
To everyone calling Pep a chequebook manager, err have you guys forgotten what Jose spent last year and what he'll be spending this year? They're both chequebook managers at their current clubs, doesn't surprise me though because these two are born winners who care more about winning than anything else.
People kept telling me for years, "Pep doesn't need to spend lots of money like Jose, he knows how to build teams" and I kept telling them, thats only the case because he inherited a Barcelona team with a group of 'once in a generation' players, then moved to a Bayern team who dominate their league and buy their rivals best players.
Now Peps in the Premiership, a much more competitive league, we can see what he is really made of. It turns out what been saying is true, he is no different and he needs to spend big money to compete. City were the biggest spenders last summer and could do it again this year. £53m for Walker. £50m for Stones.
This myth that Pep is some sort of higher level, unbelievably talented manager is nonsense and the longer he stays in the Prem, the more this nonsense will be exposed
Now Peps in the Premiership, a much more competitive league, we can see what he is really made of. It turns out what been saying is true, he is no different and he needs to spend big money to compete. City were the biggest spenders last summer and could do it again this year. £53m for Walker. £50m for Stones.
This myth that Pep is some sort of higher level, unbelievably talented manager is nonsense and the longer he stays in the Prem, the more this nonsense will be exposed
So why did Jose get plaudits last year for winning 2 second rate trophies and a sixth place finish after how much he spent?
He plays a brand of football that makes players want to play for him, see Sanchez. The transfer fee is not his problem, he wants the players that suit his style of play. He deserves admiration if he does win PL or CL next season. Although he would massively underachieve if with multiple transfer windows of being the highest spending team in England he still can't deliver trophies. He would rightly be criticized for it.
You are missing the point. Jose Mourinho is always criticised as a checkbook manager, while Pep is looked at as a manager who develops players. Fact is, he is also no better than Jose in this regard, yet gets away without any criticism. At least the players Jose has signed have all been very good (judging from last season), while Pep has bought the likes of Stones and Bravo for big money.
Guardiola makes me sick to my stomach. Thinks he's the greatest manager ever when he's had nothing but deep pockets to work with wherever he's went. And it definitely helps the 3 leagues he's been part of he's been/picked teams that don't have any real financial restrictions.
Easily got away with it in Spain and Germany but not such a walk in the park in England. Fwiw I'm not a blind homer by any means and understand the top quality teams in those other 2 leagues are considerably superior to the top teams in the EPL but the difference lies after that top tier. Generally light years easier to walk through mid/bottom tier clubs in La Liga+Bundesliga compared to the EPL and I'm glad this farce of a manager came to England to expose himself. Not so easy to be able to get your way like you have in clubs/leagues past.
..his stubbornness to get x player regardless of the consequence ruins football. £50M plus add ons for Walker? Get the feck out of here! Absolutely insane. Still won't be as easy as he thinks to win the league and still doubt they do.
Easily got away with it in Spain and Germany but not such a walk in the park in England. Fwiw I'm not a blind homer by any means and understand the top quality teams in those other 2 leagues are considerably superior to the top teams in the EPL but the difference lies after that top tier. Generally light years easier to walk through mid/bottom tier clubs in La Liga+Bundesliga compared to the EPL and I'm glad this farce of a manager came to England to expose himself. Not so easy to be able to get your way like you have in clubs/leagues past.
..his stubbornness to get x player regardless of the consequence ruins football. £50M plus add ons for Walker? Get the feck out of here! Absolutely insane. Still won't be as easy as he thinks to win the league and still doubt they do.
If there's any truth to that SSN report tonight then I'm very worried. City are going to have an almost unstoppable team this year, even if it did cost hundreds of millions to finish assembling during the current transfer window.
It doesn't look like we can even come close to competing with them.
This has literally been said about City every season for the past half a decade now.
Did he feck get plaudits.
My early season prediction is that they will be the team to beat. Their forward line is frightening, and if Pep shores up the defence (buying Mendy + Walker) then I can't see many teams coming close.
Having said that, it would be the most City thing ever if they started like a house on fire and then slowly faded away.
Having said that, it would be the most City thing ever if they started like a house on fire and then slowly faded away.
Yeah, my prediction is that they'll start strong and fall off around February/March time, they have a good team but so do most of the top 6.
The bitterness on some of the posts here
They get overhyped every summer now.
Semedo off for 30m euros rising to 35, and City are waiting on Walker for £50m. Such is the EPL.
Walker is class. Players like him will improve city massively. If I were Pep with a choice of those two I know who I'd pick, even at £20 million more.
If the keeper they've signed is decent - which remains to be seen, they're s centre half and left back away from having the best squad in the league.
£50 million is mad for a full back but that's the game now.
And full backs aren't one dimensional any more. The best ones offer a team a new dimension in the modern game.
If I weren't lazy I'd find posts about City from last summer.
Anyway look and behold at Pep's football genius. Football revolutionary, football bohemian. A man who has changed the football forever.
Anyway look and behold at Pep's football genius. Football revolutionary, football bohemian. A man who has changed the football forever.
Say what you will about Pep but he has seen the state of City, turned his nose up and used their money to transform them for next season. Unless our transfer window takes a dramatic turn Jose could learn from it.
Just curious but who is the same quality thats available for the same money? Walker was pretty much the best rb in the prem last season by a fair distance, Valenica probably next. Of potential RB's who may be available Bellerin is worse and would cost at least £40m +, Alves of course whom we were clearly in for but chose PSG but I can't think of many others..
Rubbish, The CL we beat one good team under Pellers on the way to the semi's. Last season we went out to Monaco a round earlier. Under Pep we finished a place higher, earned 12 more points, scored 9 more goals and conceded 2 less than the previous season. We never looked like beating any of the big teams in the CL in either year (unless you count PSG) so the only place Pelligrini's last season really bettered Pep's was the League Cup...
People in glass houses and all that... When speaking about 1st team players....
Lukaku - 75m (I believe rising to 90 if he's a success), Lindelof - 31m, Pogba - 89m, Mkhi - 35m, Bailly - 32.5m = £262m
Ederson - 35m, Silva - £43m, Stones - 50m, Sane - 42m, Jesus - 27m, Gundogan - 23m, Bravo - 15m, Nolito - 15m = £270m
Both with the rest of a summer to go. Walker and Mendy will probably cost us 90m, Perisic and a hold midfielder will likely cost you at least 80m as well.
Jose better beat Pep to the treble or he's a shit manager.
I agree to and extent the fault has to lie with Txixi, Pep and Pellers for not getting the fullbacks done in the last 2 seasons. Our CB's I think are fine, not world class but competent and if Kompany stays fit we'll be pretty good. We had a better defensive record than Chelsea after christmas last season. Stones is a concern but I won't write him off yet. Otamendi is rash but is fine with a composed defender beside him. The key is keeping VK fit and his run of games at the end of last season was his best in awhile so I'm confident enough to take him at his word when he says his worst days are behind him.
I think Pep has learned he can't make inverted fullbacks work in the Premier League. The ball goes from back to front too fast for them to recover positions. Once we gave up on the idea bar against the weakest of teams our defence was much better even with Jesus Navas playing RB albeit Kompanys fitness played a part.
Semedo is quite good but is mainly potential and not nearly as experienced or established as Walker. Only Barca will force him away for less than the 50m Euro asking price too. No way a premier league team gets him at that money.
Theres also Walkers homegrown status to consider as we are quite light on HG players and those that are seem to be heading for Girona. Would I rather we were in for £30m Semedo than £50m Walker? Of course but as of right now. Walker is simply more valuable to City for a number of reasons.
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Considering the market we're in, and considering he's got four years left on his contract, and considering he was the best RB in the Premier League last season, and considering he's homegrown, and considering he'll be our right-back for the next four/five years, I think £50m for Walker is alright.
Or to put it another way, he's seen the state of a hugely expensive City team, decided it doesn't suit his preferences, spent a shitload of money, failed to achieve anything and is now about to spend even more money in his determination that his system will work no matter what.
That City team last season was packed with quality, and he did nothing with it. Tired of this idea that it's the team letting him down, as if the guy can do no wrong.