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So how do you draw the line between individual players missing loads of great scoring chances and poor tactics? Would KDB have scored his open goal if Guardiola had done something differently?

That's mentality. Same as what we're lacking. But if he were setting up his team better then they wouldn't be so vulnerable at the back and one goal might be enough anyway. Not like they can't keep the ball when they're ahead.
 
His city team has stalled massively. If we were half decent we could have got into the top 4.
 
@SCP the vast majority of german teams are tactically hopeless. Of course there are exceptions, but what i meant was, the german league is almost monolithic in terms of tactics, and nobody makes adjustments based on their rival. They are good at pressing, and they are very technical, that's it. Which incidentally is why Leipzig, which is one of the few teams who employ a higher degree of tactical sophistication, are currently on top
 
At this moment MC is still a mystery for the second part of this season. I think Gabriel Jesus would be a huge boost for them, this kid got surely better talent than Sterling + Sane. But i'm curious about position Pep will use him at, he at his best when playing as a CF/ST - this place Aguero seemed untouchable for
 
That's mentality. Same as what we're lacking. But if he were setting up his team better then they wouldn't be so vulnerable at the back and one goal might be enough anyway. Not like they can't keep the ball when they're ahead.

So then we agree that there is no connection at all between missing a lot of chances and poor tactics?
 
Starting off the season with one genuine goalscorer in your starting 11 qualifies as bad tactics for me.
 
How many do Chelsea have?
Chelsea are more direct though. City play a more fluid game so the chances are more spread out between the attackers and more of their players find themselves in advanced goal scoring positions.
Look at Hazard, most of his goals seem to be isolating the defender and cutting in, something he is very comfortable at. KDB finds himself in goalscoring positions from all angles and varying situations.
Anyway Id back Hazard one on one cutting in over KDB, Willian has a good shot on him while Silva is a powderpuff from any sort of distance. City desperately need to find a replacement for Yaya
 
Did you even watch the game? It sounds as if you only looked at the result and decided since Conte's team won then his tactics were better. I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow if City would have scored 4 goals that game. Aguero and KDB both had two extremely good chances to score on top of the goal they already scored.
Lets say that only one of those chances had been converted, the open goal from KDB 2min before Chelsea's equalizer, then City would have been two goals up and it would probably been game over.
Had that goal somehow made Guardiola's tactics better? Or would they have been exactly as good/poor, but a one in ten thousand miss (that had nothing to do with tactics) completely changed the fate of the game?

Imo City failed to win because of big individual mistakes by their attackers, not because they lost the tactical battle.
Losing 3-1 at home isnt just unlucky.
 
They look the most vulnerable out of the top 4 currently though. City Liverpool and Arsenal full strength looks a level above city's currently.
We'll see.
We dominated the league leaders for much of the match last Saturday and have been the better team in almost every domestic League game we've played all season (Spurs and maybe Southampton the exceptions).
Pep knows our weaknesses and will work on them.
We will win or come close to winning the PL this season. Bank on it.
 
His city team has stalled massively. If we were half decent we could have got into the top 4.

I thought it would be just after Xmas before they started to decline. They have been on the right end of some ludicrous officiating though. That has kept them in the top 4. Think it will be very difficult for them to stay in the top 4 if their luck is now starting to turn. They may well throw a load of cash around in January on defenders & hope something sticks.
 
This is a forum of short memories. It was only yesterday they were on top of the league and Chelsea looked like they wouldn't make top 4.

We'll see more twists and turns before the end of the season. Only hope that we net profit from the turmoil.
 
We weren't unlucky, we failed to execute our opportunities to win the game.
Some would blame the ref or bad luck but the plain fact is that we did enough to win but blew it.

You could say the same for us in just about every game this season, so by applying that logic we will also be competing for the title come the end of the season?


Don't think either Manchester clubs will come close to winning it IMO, the London clubs and Liverpool look a level above.
 
You could say the same for us in just about every game this season, so by applying that logic we will also be competing for the title come the end of the season?
The last few games yes, though you concede more and create less than city
 
Always get the feeling in interviews this guy is just tolerating anyone not from his region of Spain. He's no more lovable than current Jose.
 
Always get the feeling in interviews this guy is just tolerating anyone not from his region of Spain. He's no more lovable than current Jose.
That asshole from BBC Simon Stone always manages to get his back up at pressers but he's OK with most of the press guys who get helpful responses.
After the deadbat treatment they got from Pellegrini it will be a nice change for them but he's too savvy to fall into the traps set by some journos.
 
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He's a catalan nationalist
Yeah, he claims to be all about freedom, democracy and human rights yet chooses to work for an unelected aristocrat whose country is mired in human rights abuse allegations. What a guy
 
Yeah, he claims to be all about freedom, democracy and human rights yet chooses to work for an unelected aristocrat whose country is mired in human rights abuse allegations. What a guy

Like the union organiser from Govan who worked for an American billionaire's British acquisition?
 
He will need at least another transfer windows to make his project work. Playing tiki-taka in England is more difficult than in any other part of Europe. You need a more direct and faster approach.
 
Yeah, he claims to be all about freedom, democracy and human rights yet chooses to work for an unelected aristocrat whose country is mired in human rights abuse allegations. What a guy

Don't think anyone really thinks he gives a shit about these things. All about keeping the Pep gravy train going at full speed. He'll whore himself out to whoever offers the most $. If Putin offered him £25 Million a season to take over a Russian team, whilst at the same time putting contracts out on the City board & playing staff. Pep would be on the first plane to Moscow.
 
Yeah, he claims to be all about freedom, democracy and human rights yet chooses to work for an unelected aristocrat whose country is mired in human rights abuse allegations. What a guy
Add on the fact that he could have stayed at Barca for many years
His career trajectory would have made more sense if Bayern/City were a way to work his way up to Barca, but somehow it's the opposite
 
Yet again, they concede, unbelievable there were so many here claiming their defense wasn't a problem.
 
I used to really rate Bravo, gone massively down in my estimations this season.
 
Yet again, they concede, unbelievable there were so many here claiming their defense wasn't a problem.
I've been preaching this for two years now. Their lack of a goalscorer behind Aguero is also a huge problem that nobody ever mentions.
 
I find it weird how he regularly plays Kolorov. Pellegrini saw he was a liability defensively and other than a rocket of a shot, he has little quality with the ball.
 
3:0... Jesus Christ.

Someone call FCBarca and give him the bad news.