How I imagine City's defence went
Feeling irritated at City getting away with it, I had a little read abut the above in South Park, then the whole OJ case.
Still the biggest miscarriage of justice ever...slightly above this City joke call.
Manchester City banned from CL for 2 seasons and fined 30 million euros | CAS - Ban lifted, fined 10 million
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Feeling irritated at City getting away with it, I had a little read abut the above in South Park, then the whole OJ case.
Still the biggest miscarriage of justice ever...slightly above this City joke call.
Trust me – I am writing my doctoral thesis on the Simpson trials – it was not the biggest miscarriage of justice ever. Did he do it? Yes. Was it the right decision to acquit him? Also yes. The prosecution couldn't prove he did it beyond a reasonable doubt.
There is not a fecking chance that CAS have informed city 3 days before it’ll be publicly announced. Cheeseman May or may not be right, but they’ve not been informed by CAS yet
Well, the response to that from CAS was:
G. The Alleged Leaks and the Potential Impact Thereof on the Impartiality of the Members of the Investigatory Chamber 113. The alleged leaking of information by members of the Investigatory Chamber or the UEFA administration about the proceedings against MCFC is worrisome. Again, the Panel is mindful not to trespass into the authority of the Adjudicatory Chamber to address MCFC’s procedural complaints in detail. However, it must be noted that MCFC’s complaints as to the leaks do not, on a prima facie basis, appear to be entirely without merit, particularly concerning the First and Second Leak, […], and the Fifth Leak, which refers to an “insider” at UEFA as the source. 114. It puzzles the Panel how the CFCB Chief Investigator could be so confident to “vehemently reject [MCFC’s] allegations of unlawful activities, either by myself or by any of the members of the UEFA CFCB, in particular of its Investigatory Chamber (IC)”, and to state that MCFC’s allegations regarding the leaks were “groundless in the merits” and to “assure [MCFC] that at no time, myself or any of my fellow members of the IC have violated any rights of your club”. 115. However, as already set out supra, the Panel finds that the general rule that internal
If someone has done it, and they've not been found guilty of it, I'd say that's a pretty darn big miscarriage of justice.
Also, if this news was being leaked out, there’s be reputable journos all over it by now
So how have they found out? Guessed?
You trying to say Trevor Sinclair, a man who racially abused a taxi driver after pissing himself in the back of the taxi, isn't a respectable source of info?
There's no way City are going to get away with it imo. It sets a dangerous precedence that might make FFP Irrelevant, but them getting away with it is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility. Fingers crossed
He's always on Talksport, so no he isn't.
Who says they've found out?
I'll repeat, go back to before the original decision in December or whenever it was and you'll see City were incredibly confident then that all charges would be dropped.
Sam Lee at The Athletic was certain City would be deemed innocent.
Im hearing loads of noise theyve gotten away with it scott free ? Surely not ?
They had similar confidence back in December no ban would be imposed as well.
You're taking that as fact. The legal system can't do that, it is supposed to prove it. It would be a miscarriage of justice if the legal system couldn't prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, yet the plaintiff was imprisoned because "he did it".
that’s not how trials work.
If City get away with this, UEFA and FFP will crumble and be seen to have no backbone. It is in UEFA's best interest for the full extent of the punishment to be upheld, otherwise they will be seen as a complete laughing stock.
It depends how you're defining words.
Justice is the principle that someone gets what they deserved. A murderer not getting punishment is thus not justice being served.
However, I can see what you and the other chap are getting at, so let's leave it there. Let's not rake over an infuriating case
That's your opinion. Several people in the legal community disagree he should be acquited,for reasons I won't dwell in here.
By all means defend your opinion with arguments, but don't tell people to trust your opinion over an argument of pseudoauthority, in this case, your thesis.
I think theyll restructure the entire CL so they have more control over it. Tighten everything up.
This could kill CL as we know it.
How would they do that though?
They've already squeezed out the little guys by gifting the top 4 in the top 4 leagues entry.
What could they do to stop City and PSG moneywashing their competition, when it seems like even a ban doesn't wash?
this case is all about if City lied to Uefa when they were investigating said FFP. It isnt about breaching FFP per se. They already had punishment for that
Im not sure but it just seems likely imo. You cant have an invitational become too big for the governing body to police.
Maybe have the final stages be classed as a different competition? Have the last 8 be 8 winners of CL.
Congrats. 8 winners. In an unrelated note, UEFA will hold an elite CL with 8 participents independent from that competition..who happens to be that 8 every year.
But you must follow stringent rules to qualify..just to make it clear its an invitational.
I just made up a load of nonsense but it could be something just as radical or else the shackles are off and City will spend 200m on each player and kill the conpetition.
In fairness, City and PSG haven't won it between them, or threatened to, irrespective of throwing money around.
In fairness, UEFA also colluded with PSG to let them evade FFP and now their chairman sits on the executive committee - which he was invited on to in the middle of an investigation into PSG. But it’s funny reading the posts about how all of a sudden the integrity of FFP will be thrown into doubt.
Cheeseman may turn out to be right come Monday, but for the avoidance of any doubt, he DOES NOT know anything, and CAS have NOT leaked a thing. Man City also, DO NOT have a clue what the outcome is. Its quite simple, really
If he turns out to be right, it was a total guess/prediction which came up trumps. Another journo, although a bit meh, Miguel Delaney is of the opinion itll be upheld, but theyre only hunches. They do not know a thing.
If he turns out to be right, it was a total guess/prediction which came up trumps. Another journo, although a bit meh, Miguel Delaney is of the opinion itll be upheld, but theyre only hunches. They do not know a thing.
Either would I, his story's full of holes.
They want to be careful top clubs don't just set up a midweek European super league
I thought he was a Gouda source for man city stories.
Pep did say today that he is pretty positive that it is going to be overturned.
I'm torn between my dislike for FFP and my dislike for the cheaters.
He said the evidence he’s seen is strong in his opinion. So either they’ve successfully argued that the evidence was found illegally or their lawyers are trying to make it sound like everything is rosey.
anyway not long to wait now, at least we will have extra motivation come Monday if needs be!
Hehehe
FFP officially dead in the water if City have been able to literally make a mockery of the entire thing and get away with it. Depressing but not surprising.
It is ridiculous but it is a legitimate defence.“we’re guilty but you didn’t catch us honestly” how ridiculous is that
feck them we all knew they were corrupt from the first minute anyway. We will just have to do it the proper way
This place if cheeseman is wrong Monday morning 
I’m not overly bothered by the outcome Monday, I think if we finish 5th I’ll be disappointed regardless of CAS decision.
I’m not overly bothered by the outcome Monday, I think if we finish 5th I’ll be disappointed regardless of CAS decision.