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Manager draft
- Thread starter Annahnomoss
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Jayvin's picks are like watching paint dry
Sorry mate, but I just spat my coffee all over the table. So many greats, such great stories... you must be bored stiff.
Yeah like I said I massively regret picking Carlo, especially since Dan picked him too. Insanely boring and quality wise there is gonna be a big drop off soon. In hindsight I don't think there was any point taking turns to pick the managers, since other people can pick the same ones anyway. We should have all just posted our picks and THEN shuffled the list and started the draft.
Also about the Dennis/Denis Bergkamp thing, I thought it was because there was a law in the Netherlands regarding the spelling of names, so it had to be Dennis.. no?
I'll claim full credit for bumming him no end for 2-3 years and never giving up
Great write-up @Skizzo, worthy of the cracking player he was.
Thaat's a fair point. I'm not sure it works to pick managers at the same time, I think doing it in order works so that you don't end up with, say, 5 Traps. Reshuffling the picking order is a good shout though. It shouldn't be a case of being able to double up on a manager knowing you have first dibs. Also, by picking early you had no control voer how many picking other managers would tap into your pool.
Ancelotti was a poll-friendly but boring choice though, no two ways about it, and you don't even get the upside of NT players. Considering how you always have timezone issues to deal with, you may as well have taken the chance to pick an uncontested or largely uncontested manager.
I think best way to do a manager poll is to have a pool of 8 managers beforehand who in some ways overlap with at least another manager as well. And then force everyone to pick one out of those, with one manager only pickable twice.
I'll claim full credit for bumming him no end for 2-3 years and never giving up
Great write-up @Skizzo, worthy of the cracking player he was.
cheers anto. Didnt realize how good he was until finally researching him a little more after seeing his name pop up a few times.
If travel broadens the mind, then the otherwise irascible Béla Guttmann was good enough to return the favour. As well as effectively creating the cult of the manager, the Hungarian has been credited with helping build the Brazilian brand of football. By centring much of the attention on a club around himself, Guttmann was free to innovate and impress on the players. That job in Sao Paulo was his 16th job across nine countries. He would finish up on 25 in 13. Much of that was down to his mantra that “the third season is fatal”. A firm believer that players eventually tire of any manager no matter how good a motivator, Guttmann never stuck around long enough to find out if it was true. So in 1959 his journey brought him to Benfica and to his favourite player.
Mário Coluna
Guttmann realised that his abilities were perfectly suited to the new playmaker role that recently proven so devastating, the withdrawn attacker playing as the driving force in midfield. And, more importantly, Coluna was fully willing to assume the responsibility. In a truly dynamic team, it was Coluna that directed the play, Coluna that drove in so many crucial long-range shots and Coluna that set up the strikers so frequently. Second, he had scored game-changing goals in both European Cup finals in '61 and '62. To finish, Benfica probably would have won three in a row had it not been for the cynical manner that Milan specifically took Coluna out of the game in the 1963 final when there were no subs. He eventually took his role to the international stage, bringing Portugal to the 1966 World Cup semi-final and their best ever performance in the competition. As Brian Glanville wrote, Coluna was “an inspired and inspirational captain”.
*I've shamlessly stolen huge parts of that text from the wonderful football pantheon website with lots of great stories about players, managers, teams.
Mário Coluna
Guttmann realised that his abilities were perfectly suited to the new playmaker role that recently proven so devastating, the withdrawn attacker playing as the driving force in midfield. And, more importantly, Coluna was fully willing to assume the responsibility. In a truly dynamic team, it was Coluna that directed the play, Coluna that drove in so many crucial long-range shots and Coluna that set up the strikers so frequently. Second, he had scored game-changing goals in both European Cup finals in '61 and '62. To finish, Benfica probably would have won three in a row had it not been for the cynical manner that Milan specifically took Coluna out of the game in the 1963 final when there were no subs. He eventually took his role to the international stage, bringing Portugal to the 1966 World Cup semi-final and their best ever performance in the competition. As Brian Glanville wrote, Coluna was “an inspired and inspirational captain”.
*I've shamlessly stolen huge parts of that text from the wonderful football pantheon website with lots of great stories about players, managers, teams.
01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Cappello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Uli Hoeneß
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. C. Seedorf 5. M. Sanchis 13. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi
@Raees
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Cappello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Uli Hoeneß
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. C. Seedorf 5. M. Sanchis 13. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi
@Raees
Just realised, we only draft 12 players, right? @Annahnomoss Why did you put Romario as number 13 at the end of the list? It should be 12? If we draft 13 players, I need to hop on a flight back to Sao Paulo and add Zizinho to my team.
This draft really needs to pick up some pace . Why don't more managers send a few potential picks to someone via PM? The overlap between the managers isn't that big, so planning a few picks ahead should be possible.
. Why don't more managers send a few potential picks to someone via PM? The overlap between the managers isn't that big, so planning a few picks ahead should be possible.This draft really needs to pick up some pace
Yeah, it is moving at snail's pace. The best way is to just send the pick to the guy picking right before you and the one picking right after you, in case the manager above you is missing and they skip him.
Yes, maybe left your picks with someone more often?
He probably has the first pick as the manager and the first player pick starts from 2.
Ivan Helguera
Summary
His magnificent ball control, clinical tackling and strength in the air made him one of the best central defenders in European football, and with Fernando Hierro he formed a perfect central defensive duo that led Madrid back to the top of European football.
Although he is a Cantabrian by birth, he started to show promise as a footballer playing for Albacete, where he was trained by Mariano García Remón. His impressive performances in the Spanish Second Division led to his signing for Roma, and in Italy he gained the top flight experience he needed alongside world class players such as Totti. His next step was Espanyol and this was the perfect springboard for Real Madrid.
After an excellent season with Espanyol he was signed by Real Madrid where he immediately became a first team regular, and his composure at the back was the hallmark of his eight seasons with the Whites in which he won nine trophies including two European Cups.
Helguera also starred for Spain and earned a total of 47 caps. He made his international debut against Italy (2-2) and played in the European Championships in 2000 and 2004 and the World Cup in 2002.
Further detail
In many ways he will be remembered as Madrid's answer to Milan's Le grande Billy. Solid, dependable, tactically astute, technically gifted and never found wanting - great attributes for a defensive number 2. Especially if is he is playing alongside a peak Sanchis in his prime.
Helguera started playing for local CD Manchego and Albacete Balompié, playing in 14 Segunda Division matches in 1996-97 for the latter.
He would be snapped by Serie A side A.S. Roma after that, but left, joining RCD Espanyol, where his stellar performances led to a Real Madrid deal, even before 1998-99 had finished.
With Real Madrid, Helguera was an instant first-choice, and netted five and six league goals in his second and fourth campaigns, alternating between defender and midfielder. He was also instrumental in the capital side's two UEFA Champions League conquests playing sweeper in the Champions League Final against Valencia which they won 3-0 and Hierro was on the substitutes bench. Considering his partners in defence were a collection of decent but not great players (Alkorta, Campo et al) - it was a remarkable achievement to keep a clean sheet on such a big occasion.
He then played parnter to Hierro in central defence for the famous Leverkusen final where Zidane scored that famous volley, wave upon wave of Leverkusen pressure was batted away in order to hold on to the lead and secure Madrid's 9th CL trophy.
At the start of his last season, he was surprisingly stripped of his #6 jersey (which went to new signing Mahamadou Diarra), given #21 and made to train with the youth team, in anticipation of his leaving the club, even though his contract ended in June 2009. However, he later managed to fight his way back into the starting eleven, being extremely influential in helping the club to the 2007 domestic league as he partnered the struggling Cannavaro... helping the latter to something reminiscent of his world cup form the year before.
HONOURS
2 European Cups
1 Intercontinental Cup
1 European Super Cup
3 Ligas
2 Spanish Super Cups
@Cutch
Yeah, makes sense. So it's actually the 12th pick, damn it. I really would love to have 2 subs
Stefan Reuter
01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Uli Hoeneß
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. C. Seedorf 5. M. Sanchis 6. I. Helguera 13. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi
@Edgar Allan Pillow
01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Uli Hoeneß
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. C. Seedorf 5. M. Sanchis 6. I. Helguera 13. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi
@Edgar Allan Pillow
I'll take Costacurta.
01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Uli Hoeneß
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. C. Seedorf 5. M. Sanchis 6. I. Helguera 13. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi
@The Red Viper
01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Uli Hoeneß
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. C. Seedorf 5. M. Sanchis 6. I. Helguera 13. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi
@The Red Viper
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Still can't believe Stobz picked Samuel over Billy!
The partnership was tempting don't get me wrong but if we are going off of peaks, then individually I don't see much between the two in their respective time periods.
Plus Walter is a leftie so provides a nice natural footed balance to the back line and allows Baresi to play off his stronger right side.
Interesting to see how Helguera will get rated here like some others(Kluivert popps in my mind) because they were brilliant under that manager but never vote winners in the regular drafts.. The voting process should be much tougher
Highly debatable. Baresi / Costacurta is one of the GOAT. A left footed Samuel making it more balanced is a big stretch. Individually too I rate Billy ahead of Walter under Fabio.
Unless your strategy calls for a left footed CB.... Mmm.....
Baresi favoured the LCB position though didn't he?
He played there because he was better on his left than Costacurta was.
@Annahnomoss , Make your pick. Ill pick later.
Do you mean me?
No worries!
01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Uli Hoeneß
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. C. Seedorf 5. M. Sanchis 6. I. Helguera 13. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi
@Annahnomoss
01. Harms:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Platini 2. Scirea 3. Boniek 4. Bergomi 5. Gentile 6. Cuccureddu
02. AngeloHenriquez/Stobzilla:- Fabio Capello- 1. F. Baresi 2. Gullit 3. Van Basten 4. Hierro 5. Totti 6. Samuel
03. Jayvin:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. Davids 2. Kaka 3. Cannavaro 4. Shevchenko 5. Ashley Cole 6. Drogba
04. Paolo Di Canio:- Louis Van Gaal - 1. Rijkaard 2. Rivaldo 3. Guardiola 4. Ribéry 5. Kluivert 6. Blind
05. Skizzo:- Udo Lattek - 1. Maradona 2. G. Müller 3. Breitner 4. Rummenigge 5. Augenthaler 6. Lerby
06. MJJ:- Marcello Lippi - 1. R. Baggio 2. Thuram 3. Del Piero 4. Vieri 5. Ferrara 6. Zambrotta
07. Joga Bonito:- Udo Lattek - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Schuster 3. Vogts 4. Brehme 5. Schwarzenbeck 6. Uli Hoeneß
08. Balu/PedroMendez:- Béla Guttmann - 1. Bozsik 2. Puskás 3. C. Maldini 4. Grosics 5. Mauro Ramos 6. Coluna
09. Raees:- Vicente Del Bosque - 1. Ronaldo 2. Figo 3. M. Laudrup 4. C. Seedorf 5. M. Sanchis 6. I. Helguera 13. Makelele
10. Cutch:- Alex Ferguson - 1. Beckham 2. Stam 3. Van Nistelrooy 4. Cantona 5. Ferdinand 6. Irwin
11. Gio:- Giovanni Trapattoni - 1. Matthäus 2. Batistuta 3. Tardelli 4. Kohler 5. Cabrini 6. Reuter
12. Edgar Allan Pillow:- Fabio Capello - 1. P. Maldini 2. Nedved 3. Redondo 4. Desailly 5. Savićević 6. Costacurta
13. The Red Viper:- Pep Guardiola - 1. Lahm 2. Robben 3. Puyol 4. Xavi 5. Iniesta
14. DanNistelrooy:- Carlo Ancelotti - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Nesta 3. Pirlo 4. Gattuso 5. Bale 6. Ibrahimovic
15. Annahnomoss:- Vanderlei Luxemburgo - 1. Zidane 2. Cafu 3. R. Carlos 4. Raul 5. Gamarra 13. Romario
16. Crappycraperson:- Rinus Michels - 1. Migueli 2. Cruyff 3. Neeskens 4. Krol 5. Asensi
@Annahnomoss
With Maldini on the same side, why?
Here we go again with CB footedness...
1) Left-footed CBs are more comfortable on the left. I actually can't think of any who ever played on the right, which is down to them being more rare and usually partnered with right-footed CBs who, surprise, are more comfortable on the right.
2) It is very common for both CBs to be right-footed, in that case the one more comfortable on his left generally plays left. It doesn't mean they don't play on the right, just that they are more comfortable on the left than their partner.
3) Occasionally, but more rarely than we make it out to be in drafts, point 2 (comfort on left) is overlooked in favour of some other quality which better helps support the fullback. e.g. the raging debates on swapping Rio and Vidic around, which SAF did for a time not because Rio would be more comfortable, but because Evra was making the defence vulnerable. Neither fullback made Milan's defence vulnerable so there's no reason for that to impact the relative positions of Baresi-Costacurta.
So yes, Baresi typically played on the left and Costacurta on the right. I would have no problem seeing Baresi on the right, none whatsoever. Costacurta? I'd play him right.
The point is not on whether Baresi can play left or right (which only a madman will argue to the negative), but on his comment that he picked Samuel over Costacurta because of the left foot / right foot combination. It was my view that it is not that great a advantage to be gained when the downside is the loss of a proven GOAT partnership.
But then, I don't know his defensive strategy. So will wait for final team to see how it all fits.
I think Stob might go for a 352.. in which case a left footed LCB is handy to cover for your left wing back.
That's half of what i said tbf.
His picks so far indicate that, but considering the players already gone I'd say his wingbacks will look a bit meh and not worth deploying a 3-5-2.
Of course, once the NTs are unleashed he can get the best rightback in the planet (TM). Definitely worth the gamble.
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