Man Utd?
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A childish aussie calling names.. Now that's something you don't get to see every day.. Don't see where my nick begins with a capital letter by the way, you're just as ignorant as the muppets ManYoo-ing.
Silence before I claim Sweden rightly back for the Danes...
As Is aid you cocksniffer, I was being sarcastic.
Apart from the fit blonde chicks, Swedish people are shit.....
Ah yeah, the regular cocksniffer insult. Your conversation skills are astounding. You grew up jerking off to Nickelodeon in the absence of your crocodile hunter of a father?
Just love snotty-nosed debating. You've got any more ways of making a fool of yourself, please let us know.
At least my dad hunted crocodiles and not raped reindeers, no wonder Rudolph's nose was so bright.
Don't worry Johnno...
I have never known an Aussie to talk sense, they know feck all, just humour them.
Just heard Steve Bruce refer to "Man Utd" on SSN. You'd think he would know better.
I have got used to using "Manchester" in the past couple of years, everyone understands and it really pisses off the occasion City fan who hears me. 
I never really understood what the problem with 'Man Utd' is?
I dont use it myself but it doesnt bother me if someone else uses it
Although it does piss of City fans, I actually dont like being reffered to as just plain 'Manchester' - mostly due to the fact that it is only clueless foreigners who ever do it.
I dont use it myself but it doesnt bother me if someone else uses it
Although it does piss of City fans, I actually dont like being reffered to as just plain 'Manchester' - mostly due to the fact that it is only clueless foreigners who ever do it.
And most of the French footballers that have played for us, until they knew better. Mon chest air.
I have friends who hate United refer to us as 'Man You' when writing me.
That pisses me off.
That pisses me off.
Yes - or Manyoo.
I reckon the misleading use of the name "Manchester" might have been what landed Robinho at City.
Been reading Lee Sharpe's book lately - he refers to us constantly as Man Utd. I don't think he's trying to annoy anyone though, so I guess it's all about context.
It has been explained numerous times in this thread, and if you don't have a problem with it now, there's something wrong.
If you read the thread you will find fans who have supported United for decades saying it is a non issue - plus fans from Manchester saying they and others they know use it - why do you ignore those posts and take it that the other view is the correct one?
What, the view where I'll refuse to use a term that was used to mock the dead, irrelevant of the fact that it was the babes? Yeah, I believe that's correct.
That is true in my early days at OT mid 60s onwards Man Utd was frequently used by everyone, not sure when I changed usualy use United now.
I can hear my mate now " are you going to Man Utd on Saturday" hes been dead a few years now, and games were almost always Saturday afternoon with European nights mid week, or thats what my failing memory tells me anyway
With hindsight I think United or Man United sounds better than Man Utd anyway, but I dont ever remember hearing it being considered an insult.
United has a little arrogance about it : The rest may have United in there name title but as far as we are concerned "There is only one United"
He's had more clubs (9?) than Monty, some of them in Yorkshite so it's understandable, if a little lazy. What, Sharpie, a little lazy?
Still, you've got to love him though.
Well that's upto you mate - but I dont find the term Man Utd offensive and neither do many others as they have pointed out in this thread.
There's only one United. The Man Utd thing started by fans of other teams who believe there is another United out there. BUT I repeat, there is only one United!
If I have to write it, I write Man Utd or Man United. I'm too lazy a twat to write Manchester. Effing hell, I even had to correct that spelling twice.
If I'm talking to somebody, I just say Manchester United.
If I'm talking to somebody, I just say Manchester United.
I think it's mainly older fans who don't like it, but that might be a little bit of a generalisation.
My dad hates it, and can't stand people using it, and his reason is that those that use it are usually 'cockney reds' or 'glory supporters', and he can't stand glory hunters because he had to go through the barren years of 1970s and 80s.
So I think it has something to do with long-term supporters hating those who jump on the bandwagon when we're successful when they had to endure decades of nothing.
My dad hates it, and can't stand people using it, and his reason is that those that use it are usually 'cockney reds' or 'glory supporters', and he can't stand glory hunters because he had to go through the barren years of 1970s and 80s.
So I think it has something to do with long-term supporters hating those who jump on the bandwagon when we're successful when they had to endure decades of nothing.
As a Salford kid I was brought up on United, but Man Utd was just what some people, including plenty of United fans called us. It wasn't considered an insult or a cause for offence - it just sounded "funny"
It was onIy was later, and I'm not sure how much later, than it started to sound like a term of abuse.
I have a soft spot for Manchester though. I've come to see it as like Milan being Milan, Inter being Inter, and City being crap.
It was onIy was later, and I'm not sure how much later, than it started to sound like a term of abuse.
I have a soft spot for Manchester though. I've come to see it as like Milan being Milan, Inter being Inter, and City being crap.
"There was huge competition between clubs to sign Duncan Edwards when he was a schoolboy in the early 50s and there was even a newspaper campaign in the midlands to pressure him into signing for a midlands club, as he came from Dudley. His signing for United caused a lot of people in the midlands to regard him as a traitor and he was painted as such by local rags and was a bit of a hate figure for some idiots.
As far as i know it was West Brom fans who first sang (and sorry for posting this)
Duncan Edwards is manure,rotting in his grave
Man You are manure-rotting in your grave
The origin of 'Man Utd' is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards."
I cannot believe for one second that the term Man Utd relates to Duncan Edwards.
While there was a lot of competition for his signature, why would West Brom fans make up a song about a 15 year-old in 1952 that most Mancunians had yet to hear about?
He was a Wolves fan so they would have been delighted he didn't sign for their local rivals!
In 1952 people weren't singing songs about hoping a 15-year-old was rotting in his grave. You just wouldn't get away with it.
I wouldn't put any credence in that story at all!
As far as i know it was West Brom fans who first sang (and sorry for posting this)
Duncan Edwards is manure,rotting in his grave
Man You are manure-rotting in your grave
The origin of 'Man Utd' is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards."
I cannot believe for one second that the term Man Utd relates to Duncan Edwards.
While there was a lot of competition for his signature, why would West Brom fans make up a song about a 15 year-old in 1952 that most Mancunians had yet to hear about?
He was a Wolves fan so they would have been delighted he didn't sign for their local rivals!
In 1952 people weren't singing songs about hoping a 15-year-old was rotting in his grave. You just wouldn't get away with it.
I wouldn't put any credence in that story at all!
That's what has been used by the Finnish media, for instance, for as long as I can remember (almost 20 years).
I've heard that "Man Utd" story a fair few times, and yet never from anybody old enough to remember, and it does seem a little off to me. If it were such a big issue, then why are United so often referred to in that way? It seems many of our players from the 90's refer to us as "Man Utd", so it would be quite odd if this story were true. My main gripe with the name is it tends to be a term used by non-United fans, in the same way few football fans refer to the game as "footie". It just doesn't sound right more than anything.
And on the topic of disliking our team being referred to as Manchester, especially by foreigners, it's something I've never understood. Many foreign teams have longer names (such as Lyon are Olympique Lyonnais), and yet we refer to them by only the city name. And to an even larger degree, despite our knowledge of at least two top flight teams in the city, we still often refer to Real Madrid simply as Real (seemingly forgetting the likes of Sociadad and Betis) or Madrid (forgetting about Athletico). And to the same degree when the name Milan comes up, it's taken to mean AC Milan, whereas Inter Milan are referred to as merely Inter. As much as I'd prefer, on a personal level, that we were more distinguished from our local rivals in others minds, we do the same when it comes to foreign teams, so quit bitching about it.
And on the topic of disliking our team being referred to as Manchester, especially by foreigners, it's something I've never understood. Many foreign teams have longer names (such as Lyon are Olympique Lyonnais), and yet we refer to them by only the city name. And to an even larger degree, despite our knowledge of at least two top flight teams in the city, we still often refer to Real Madrid simply as Real (seemingly forgetting the likes of Sociadad and Betis) or Madrid (forgetting about Athletico). And to the same degree when the name Milan comes up, it's taken to mean AC Milan, whereas Inter Milan are referred to as merely Inter. As much as I'd prefer, on a personal level, that we were more distinguished from our local rivals in others minds, we do the same when it comes to foreign teams, so quit bitching about it.
That's 'Manchester U' though. I have no problems with that. For me, 'Man Utd' is lazy and disrespectful to my football team (United) and my city (Manchester). I can just about bear Man Utd but Man Utd is a step too far.
Lyon are the only team in the city so to refer to them as Lyon is fine since Lyonnais (of Lyon) is bound inextricably with Olympique of which there is another in Ligue Un. I call Real Madrid, Real Madrid for the reasons you correctly cite. Milan football is a funny thing. One club is pronounced 'Meelan' and not 'Meelano' (the city's Italian name) since it was founded by British people as a cricket club and later the name Milan became pronounced Meelan and the other is called Inter since they are proud to be Internazionale and are referred to as such by Italians themselves.
I'll bitch about it as much as I like, thanks.
I don't have a problem with it, especially since hearing older Manchester based supporters using it. And players.
The usage has been twisted by ABUs as a form of abuse - personally, I'd use it all the more just to take the wind out of their sails, although I generally just say United.
It's a bit irritating to hear people getting worked up about it because it just makes the anti-Utd. brigade do it all the more.
The usage has been twisted by ABUs as a form of abuse - personally, I'd use it all the more just to take the wind out of their sails, although I generally just say United.
It's a bit irritating to hear people getting worked up about it because it just makes the anti-Utd. brigade do it all the more.
So Cockney reds are glory supporters?
I hate that kind of generalisation. Weren't United the most supported team in the old Div. 2 after they were relegated? Weren't a lot of those supporters from out of town?
A clue...yes.
Every winning team will have it's glory seekers, and probably some of them even live within a few miles of Old Trafford. But there were thousands of OOTs who supported them before and after they were relegated, and to speak that way about "Cockney Reds" is out of order imo.
Glory seekers are one thing - but don't just lump one section of fans in that category.
That's when I started to follow United. All my childhood mates were supporting L1verpool or L**ds. I'm not even a cockney since I was born in Balham.
Man Utd gets used b/c that's what you see in the TV in the scoreboard commentary box ... e..g united v. liverpool would be : Man Utd v LIV ... so people get used to calling united Man Utd ... just use united
Man Utd, to close to manure. I use Manchester United, treat the name with respect etc...
On the telly during games its " mau", hate that.
On the telly during games its " mau", hate that.
Actually Bryan Robson said it - in an interview with MUTV (must admit I was slightly shocked - as he certainly should know not to use it after spending 13-14 years at the club)
No, that's not what I meant, although it did look that way.
I meant the cockney-reds-that-are-glory-supporters, not cockney reds in themselves. I'm sure there are plenty of people not far from OT that are glory supporters and plenty of people living in the south that have supported United for decades.
And fwiw, technically I'm a 'cockney red', but, like many people, I have family links to Manchester, hence why I support United.
After what I have read - Duncan Edwards grew up in a place called Dudley (just outside Birmingham after what I understand) and there were a lot of competition for his signature and WBA-fans apparently felt most outraged when he chose not to sign for them but joined United instead
So after the Munich-disaster it was the WBA fans that came up with the chant - it was also apparently used a lot as grafitti.
True ? Who knows - but it certainly is a lot more plausible than for instance that Liverpool-fans should come up with it. RIdiculing United for losing half their team ? Sure - but targeting one specific player ? Nah - the chant is way too personal. So yes - I am buying that explanation
But what about the people who have no links to Manchester, apart from loving the club? There is definitely discrimination on the part of those who perceive themselves to be top reds, better than others especially OOTs.
You'd think we could all just band together and "fight" the rest of the bastards.
All supporters should have no problem with this either.
Well I think people should support their local club by and large - it's as much about community as sport. I find it a bit crap when you can go in the park in London in 2002 and it's wall to wall red (Man Utd and Arsenal) and a couple of years later it's red and blue (and maybe even sky blue in days to come).