So Woodward trying to feed that to the media is idiotic. Who is actually buying his bullshit?
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So Woodward trying to feed that to the media is idiotic. Who is actually buying his bullshit?
That's all well and good but who decides on what is value for money? If it's Woodward, then I'd like to ask again what his credentials are?
If they are young and marketable they are valued by Woodward. Nothing to do with actual football.
Yeah, that's what I suspect too.
I know a lot of people don't like Woodward because of the whole Glazer connection which I understand but one thing I give him credit for is we are no longer taken for mugs. What I expect from Mourinho is to improve his own players, Pogba, Sanchez, Linderlof, Martial have become worse, Rashford is stagnant. The only players that have improve are DDG and Lingard. What is the guarantee that Toby/Maguire, Perisic etc will not become worse.
It's incredibly disheartening that Crystal Palace created more chances in one game than Man United in two games. We ranked 20th in the number of touches in opposition box after two games. These are the issues I want Mourinho to fix before crying for new toys.
It's incredibly disheartening that Crystal Palace created more chances in one game than Man United in two games. We ranked 20th in the number of touches in opposition box after two games. These are the issues I want Mourinho to fix before crying for new toys.
Sometimes they had, sometimes they didnt. I'm pretty sure Ozil Di Maria was Mou's picked. Bottom line, even when their head coach doesnt had any say on transfer, Perez always looking for first quality players out there regardless the prices. Whether it worked or not they can always replace him with next players. Only since Zidane's tenure they dont buy big, even in this summer they seems reluctant to go big to replace Cristiano.
Thats not what happen in United. We buy many but averages. Only few we can say is the first quality players.
Yeah players like
Fred
Dalot
Lukaku
Matic
Lindelof
Mkhitaryan
Bailly
Schneiderlin
Darmian
Shaw
Herrera
Rojo
Blind
were all marketable players. Don't know when this myth will die.
We have signed few very good players who are marketable, doesn't mean every player fits the same criteria. Also those players like Pogba, Zlatan were obvious improvements.
He could well of been the manager. But it’s known fact the only he chose Madrid over our accepted bid was because of Zidane.
So after Woodward botched his attempt to save his face in front of media he backtracking to said he would back Jose in front of the same media again. Add to this time the golden rule value for money. I think i heard that in Fergie's latter years.
It's not entirely his team though is it? 2 out of 3 the positions we were trying and failed to fill were gaps and from those we signed Fred and Dalot were gaps too. How can you say with it's his team when we're still having to play Mata, Valencia, Young etc
The time is irrelevant if Ed can't deliver and the money spent is largely meaningless unless you think we should have signed cheaper players than Lukaku and Pogba because those positions all needed filling
If this was from Woodward it would be in the Guardian not the Sun
So after Woodward botched his attempt to save his face in front of media he backtracking to said he would back Jose in front of the same media again. Add to this time the golden rule value for money. I think i heard that in Fergie's latter years.
So we can call this is Jose's team only when the squad is full of Jose's signings? Because if we rotate and play players like Valencia, Martial again same excuses like this isn't Jose's team will be repeated.
Liverpoolfication is completed. This is like how Liverpool fans used to find excuses like "this is Rodgers team" whenever they dropped points.
When the press say it long enough, people start to believe it. It's in the same school as "Pogba can't play in a two-man midfield"
Say it several times and they believe it.
He is only willing to really pay the higher fees unless they are young and marketable. Lukaku was on course to being a record breaking Belgian international striker and had scored goals in the PL for a number of years. Dalot only cost £20 million. Fred is a young Brazilian also being chased by City. Shaw was supposed to be the future England LB. Rojo, Blind and Darmian were not expensive. 40 million is nothing for a top DM like Matic coming from a rival club. Do you want me to keep going through the list?
He should not be involved with the football stuff. He sanctioned many deals under van Gaal and they are all came up busted and left us out of the CL.
Of course you would have paid 100 million for Varane, Mr. Woodward. Maybe you should listen to the guy that helped make him into the player he is today.
The idea is spend a lot of money on the RIGHT players not a lot of money on players that barely make any difference to the current squad.
Nice excuses, he spent big money because "x y z", he didn't spend money because "they aren't marketable".
None of the players I mentioned are marketable players. They are marketable now because they are Manutd players.
Woodward also sanctioned lot of deals under Jose and he still don't believe in his signings. Bailly and Lindelof were dropped for long periods, Mkhitaryan didn't even play till december in his first season and then was sold in second season.
When we have next manager, you will repeat same things, like how Woodward santioned lot of deals under Jose and all were poor. So new manager should be backed to get back to the level we want to.
Woodward has no idea what players would and wouldn’t make a difference.
Almost every player under Klopp has improved, when they lost Countinho, personally I thought they were done for, but I was wrong. Each player learn his philosophy quickly and they look like a very strong unit. Why is Mourinho failing with the current group of players? Why are they still struggling after 3years? Why is Manchester United playing conservative football at Brighton?
What? I'm not saying he needs 'his' team to perform I'm responding to a quite clearly bullshit claim that it's his fault if the squad isn't ready because its his team. It isn't quite obviously and if he doesn't think those remaining are up to it (and our fans 99% agree) then he should be allowed to replace them in my view.
I thought that this bullshit with 'his team' started from us with Moyes. Never heard it before, actually never heard fans of other teams giving it as an excuse for the manager not performing.
Anyway, since Fergie left, Pellegrini won the league despite that it wasn't his team, then Mourinho did it in the following season despite having signed less starting players than for us now, then it was Ranieri on his first full season who won the league with a team of misfits, and then it was Conte on his first season. Actually, it was only Saint Pep who won the league with a squad which was 'his'. Even then, on the starting XI, it had just 6 players that he signed. While we have Bailly, Lindelof, Matic, Fred, Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku, one more than Pep. Same happened all over the world, with Zidane winning an unprecedented 3 UCL in a row, with a team which was assembled from 5 different coaches.
I'll tell you, it is a bunch of nonsense from Moucafe, same as it was from Moyescafe. Manager's main job is to improve the players he has and make a suitable system for them, not sign 25 players before he is supposed to perform.
All managers make signings that don't succeed for varying reasons. Pochettino was the leading favourite in the poll to replace Jose, so how has he done for signings?
Ben Davies yes
Michael Vorm yes
Frederico Fazio no
Eric Dier yes
Benjamin Stambouli(who lol?) no
De Andre Yedlin no
Dele Alli yes
Heung-Min Son yes
Clinton N'Jie no
Kevin Wimmer no
Kieran Trippier yes
Toby Alderweireld yes
Moussa Sissoko no
Vincent Janssen no
Victor Wanyama yes
Georges Kevin N'Koudu no
Pau Lopez no
Davinson Sanchez yes
Serge Aurier no
Fernando Llorente yes
Juan Foyth yes
Paulo Gazzaniga yes
Lucas Moura yes
A lot of dross in there, 23 players 13 yes 10 no, a bit better than 50%. Pochettino spent 50mil on Sissoko and Janssen which were/are clear flops. The only reason Sissoko gets game time at Spurs is because they failed to strengthen midfield and they have two sick notes in Dembele and Winks with Wanyama fast approaching the sick note category.
Ben Davies yes
Michael Vorm yes
Frederico Fazio no
Eric Dier yes
Benjamin Stambouli(who lol?) no
De Andre Yedlin no
Dele Alli yes
Heung-Min Son yes
Clinton N'Jie no
Kevin Wimmer no
Kieran Trippier yes
Toby Alderweireld yes
Moussa Sissoko no
Vincent Janssen no
Victor Wanyama yes
Georges Kevin N'Koudu no
Pau Lopez no
Davinson Sanchez yes
Serge Aurier no
Fernando Llorente yes
Juan Foyth yes
Paulo Gazzaniga yes
Lucas Moura yes
A lot of dross in there, 23 players 13 yes 10 no, a bit better than 50%. Pochettino spent 50mil on Sissoko and Janssen which were/are clear flops. The only reason Sissoko gets game time at Spurs is because they failed to strengthen midfield and they have two sick notes in Dembele and Winks with Wanyama fast approaching the sick note category.
Until LVG's 6 months on charge, he was considered a genius on Caf, and we wanked ourselves to death when we signed Schneiderlin, Di Maria etc. Now he is an idiot, and Ed shouldn't have trust him.
I'll tell you, 6 months on a new manager's spell, people like you are going to say that Mourinho was an idiot, and Ed out for trusting Mourinho to sign players like Sanchez and Pogba who see us a step down, or shit players like Lindelof and Bailly, and so Ed should back the new manager 'blindly' to get his own team.
Don't remember it during Moyes time, heard lot of this excuse during Klopp first season or first 2 seasons.
Also Pep won the league with so many players who were there before he became their manager. Otamendi, Kompany, Delph, Fernandinho, Silva, KdB, Sterling, Aguero were all first choice players. So I won't say even Pep had "his own team".
Your last point is very much spot on. There is barely any discussion on coaching, it's always about new players. Jose fans are just blind to see how shit our overall game is, and how much behind we are in performances and team fluidity. Our players play like bunch of strangers and these are the same players who are playing for more than a year.
Players liks di Maria didn’t even want to really sign for us, Falcao just had a big injury, Schweinsteiger was done and that was clear when Bayern were willing to let a legend like him leave.
Yeah, great work Ed. Ed was the one wanking himself to death signing names like Falcao, Schweinsteiger and di Maria.
True. And while I don't rate Poch that high, context matters. And being fair. Look at how much he spent compared to Mourinho, it is nowhere near. Of course, spending a few millions in a player who fails is nowhere as bad as spending 30m+ in a player who failed. And so far, all Mourinho players have been expensive (be it on transfer fee, salary or both), and none of them - bar Matic and possibly Ibra - has performed in the required level.
Mkhitaryan cost a lot and was shit, we swapped to him with Sanchez, a top 5 payed player in the world, who has been as shit. Bailly has been hit and miss, and if he played for some other club we would have laughed with him more than with Lovren. He wasn't cheap, 30m pounds 2 years ago would have made him one of the most expensive CBs of all time. Lindelof has been mostly bad and cost 35m (+10m on bonuses) EUR, that is definitely expensive. Pogba hasn't performed anywhere close to what a world record signing should be, and Lukaku has been mostly a flat-track bully.
Matic has been the only signing which has been unquestionably good for the price we payed. Ibra was good but very short termish.
Mourinho has been extremely poor in transfer market and no amount of cheap punts Poch has made justifies it.
Yeah CAF was very much against signing these players isn't it?
With benefit of hindsight. Can see similar things being said for Saint Mourinho's signings.
Pogba is more interested in hair style and instagram than football
Zlatan was too old and 1 injury away from done
Bailly was unknown player with barely any experience.
Mkhitaryan was mentally very weak player. Every Dortmund fan would say that
Sanchez is mercenary who rejected league winning team to sign for us
Lindelof was poor CB who can't even head the ball
Fred was from Ukraine league, never played in good league
will be the excuses when we have next manager.
Maybe Sanchez, that’s about it. Arsenal wanted to keep him though. City wanted him. Sanchez chose us.
Real and Bayern wanted to let Schweinsteiger and di Maria go. Di Maria didnt really want to be here and it eventually showed as he gave up. I dont think Woodward actually cared about that when signing him. He would have had a better idea on di Maria preffering Paris, the fans, not so much.
I am done for this for now though. I cant believe people are choosing to defend Woodward, but there you go.
It’s as much his team as Pep and Klopp can claim it is there team. I don’t need him to have a whole 11 for this statement to be true. He’s had 3 transfer windows to make it his team.
I can’t believe people defend Mourinho when it’s his actually job to sort out what we watch week in week out. If you was in charge of United who would you point to as not running their department right.
When Fergie was here who was the old unmarketable players we spent ‘big fees’ on. It’s a blueprint that’s been set before Woody.
Yeah no difference at all between the players Pep inherited that still play and those that play for us
This whole trope is so predictable that for your next trick i can already tell you're going to claim the only difference between Aguero, Silva, KdB ,Sterling and Young, Valencia, Mata Lingard is coaching.
Now this really is my last post. United were in a bigger shambles BEFORE Jose arrived. That should help answer your question.
Yes Jose has been poor, but comparatively for Spurs, has Pochettino been much better? 50mil on two players for a club like Spurs is a hell of a lot of money, that is like us spending 150mil on two players. I think you are a little harsh on Bailly, prior to injury he was looking the goods. Understandable after being out for 100+ days that he is rusty and will take time to get back to his best. And at 24 he still has plenty of time to grow his game. I agree on Sanchez, with the level of wages he is on it is time to cut the losses if he doesnt up his performances. Pogba drifts in and out of games too much, he gets on the ball can make things happen then you forget he's on the pitch for 15mins until he is back on the ball.
I feel if you are not going to back your manager, move him on, get someone else in. We could have got Alderweireld if Woody had played ball with Martial, probably would of got Alderweireld and 15mil for Martial. But nope, Woody wanted to keep his investment. And his performance on the field tells me all I need to know about where his head is and it certainly isnt at united.
Thing is - how is Ed so sure of this as we’ve never really been in that (poor) footballing position for a number of years.
Truth be told it's both of them - but Woodard should have known what he was dealing with when he hired Jose.
For me he has to take the Lions share of the blame for failing to plan adequately for this club over the past 5 years. Allowed LVG to waste so much money then was so slow to sack him which meant that we missed out on top 4.
Then he hires Jose even though his philosophy doesn't match the club's, gives him a contract extension then decides not to back in the final stages of the rebuild. I'm sorry but you wouldn't see the CEO's at Bayern, Barca, Madrid doing this.
If a few people said the same thing all the time, it doesn't make it true.
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