Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

[RedRover]

What's your point ? No one is saying Bailly was a wrong purchase. He was definitely bought to be a main player and for most of the previous 2 seasons whenever he was injury free he was playing as a starter, except the ending of last season. Lindelof who was probably bought as a backup but Bailly was a starter from his first day here.

What I'm saying is we didn't overpay for any of them. At this time 30m was a cheap price and you can revert back to when we signed them and no one said we overpaid for them. Some were even saying getting Bailly for 30m when Stones was costing +50m was a bargain.

The problem is that beside Bailly we needed a cool headed leader in the back like Toby. We have a list of good defenders, but most of them crumple under pressure and none is cool or leader. If you're going to pay for a leader defender, a real top one not a good prospect as Bailly, expect to pay double the price you paid for Bailly then.

What if Mourinho was thinking to revert to 3 defenders this season with Toby in the center of it ? He said he was planning for something and has to change to after the market failure. We don't know.

My point was simple - that the board are entitled to ask why the previous players brought in to address a need at centre back are not the answer.

My view, we needed a centre half. I agree. I also like Alderweireld, but he has had injuries and if Spurs wanted £70 million, when he’s available for less next year then I can see why the board might veto that.

My overall point is that Jose looks unhappy since well before this transfer window. He looks like he did before it all imploded at Chelsea - tetchy, picking fights and frankly, perhaps feeling the pressure more than he has in the last given how City are performing.

If that is the case, or if worse is going on behind closed doors between him
And the board then I think that it may be wise not to hand over mega millions for short term fixes. That’s just my opinion.

 

[Christie]

City bought two centre-backs. Both are fixtures under the new manager. He's getting plenty out of them, especially Stones who's come through a tough time.

It highlights the point for me: two players, signed for big money, first team regulars. Bailley and Lindelof both signed before the Neymar transfer sent fees rocketing again and were expensive transfers by anyone's standards - certainly enough to expect them to make a significant contribution to the first team and for me, they must have been intended to be regular starters.

All in all the situation is seemingly getting worse. Mourinho's ego has caused him to come unstuck regularly in his career and it seems to be happening again. Its all about him - even recently when discussing the new City documentary. Seems its all about protecting his own brand. Its tiresome given the fayre being served up on the pitch. As a fan of United I want to see some decent football and frankly, I'm sick of hearing from him pointing the finger anywhere but at himself.

This is Woodward showing that he's in charge. Maybe the board are sick of the drama, although it's not unexpected given how things have ended for him everywhere else.

So once again the problem is money.

If we gave Mourinho 50 million to buy each CB before the Neymar transfer sent fees rocketing instead of making him go after budget gambles like Bailly and Lindelof, we wouldn't have this problem today.

If we gave Moyes and LVG the money to buy a Kompany or Otamendi instead of Blind and Rojo, we wouldn't need to be looking at Alderweireld now.

This is us being trying to get away being cheap and now paying for it. Trying to cheap out with inferior goods not up to standard quality will only cost us in the long run while we try to repair the damage.

City is doing it right. Pay up for the required quality and you have less problems and drama to deal with. Then you can spend your time celebrating wins instead of squabbling over blame now.

 

[RedRover]

So once again the problem is money.

If we gave Mourinho 50 million to buy each CB before the Neymar transfer sent fees rocketing instead of making him go after budget gambles like Bailly and Lindelof, we wouldn't have this problem today.

If we gave Moyes and LVG the money to buy a Kompany or Otamendi instead of Blind and Rojo, we wouldn't need to be looking at Alderweireld now.

This is us being trying to get away being cheap and now paying for it. Trying to cheap out with inferior goods not up to standard quality will only cost us in the long run while we try to repair the damage.

City is doing it right. Pay up for the required quality and you have less problems and drama to deal with. Then you can spend your time celebrating wins instead of squabbling over blame now.

If you can show me that he was forced to sign “budget” defenders then fair enough. Worth noting though that both Bailly and Lindelof came in early I’m thd summer, not after other targets had gone elsewhere. There’s no evidence to suggest they weren’t long standing targets of the manager.

Also worth noting that Maguire went for less than Lindelof, a summer before his World Cup heroics seemingly made him a viable target.

Also, as above the £180 million spent on Pogba and Lukaku, undermines that argument. As does Sanchez - who we took from under City’s noses on a mega salary.

 

[el3mel]

My point was simple - that the board are entitled to ask why the previous players brought in to address a need at centre back are not the answer.

My view, we needed a centre half. I agree. I also like Alderweireld, but he has had injuries and if Spurs wanted £70 million, when he’s available for less next year then I can see why the board might veto that.

My overall point is that Jose looks unhappy since well before this transfer window. He looks like he did before it all imploded at Chelsea - tetchy, picking fights and frankly, perhaps feeling the pressure more than he has in the last given how City are performing.

If that is the case, or if worse is going on behind closed doors between him
And the board then I think that it may be wise not to hand over mega millions for short term fixes. That’s just my opinion.

Next year almost every top club will be up to sign him for the reduced price. City were also thinking at one point they'll get Sanchez for free when his contract runs up. Football changes fast and there's no guarantee you'll ever get a chance to sign him again.

I think Lindelof signing was a mistake as he was unneeded, and he's going fast the route of becoming a flop. We should have accepted the mistake chopped and replaced him this summer with Toby instead of waiting for Mourinho to leave and for the next manager to come, chop him and ask for a new defender. Sooner or later we'll need to pay for a new defender, if not now, then will be when the next manager arrives and find that Lindelof was unnecessary, Rojo is shite and Jones is injured most of the season.

 

[RedRover]

Next year almost every top club will be up to sign him for the reduced price. City were also thinking at one point they'll get Sanchez for free when his contract runs up. Football changes fast and there's no guarantee you'll ever get a chance to sign him again.

I think Lindelof signing was a mistake as he was unneeded, and he's going fast the route of becoming a flop. We should have accepted the mistake chopped and replaced him this summer with Toby instead of waiting for Mourinho to leave and for the next manager to come, chop him and ask for a new defender. Sooner or later we'll need to pay for a new defender, if not now, then will be when the next manager arrives and find that Lindelof was unnecessary, Rojo is shite and Jones is injured most of the season.

That may well be true, but if Jose is primed for an exit (either sacked, or if he walks) they may not want the players he wanted.

If we fail because we have no quality at the back then the board and the manager are both to blame. The board for not spending and the manager for buying poorly in the past two windows.

I’m not one to stick up for Ed but here, he’s got a difficult man to manage who has a history of engineering situations to try and protect his own reputation, even where it damages the club he’s managing. Nobody is bigger than the club. Jose gets well paid to get on with a job, not pick fights all over and create difficulties. The manager of a modern club is an employee. The club shouldn’t, in my opinion give him free reign.

 

[Christie]

If you can show me that he was forced to sign “budget” defenders then fair enough. Worth noting though that both Bailly and Lindelof came in early I’m thd summer, not after other targets had gone elsewhere. There’s no evidence to suggest they weren’t long standing targets of the manager.

Also worth noting that Maguire went for less than Lindelof, a summer before his World Cup heroics seemingly made him a viable target.

Also, as above the £180 million spent on Pogba and Lukaku, undermines that argument. As does Sanchez - who we took from under City’s noses on a mega salary.

So you agree that it's fair to say you are wrong on your stance as Mourinho was given less budget to work with than Pep. The evidence is clear, we cannot afford Alderweireld and Perisic on our budget.

Not sure why you want to bring up all those other guys as they have nothing to do with what you are saying. Maguire is not up to standard so Woodward didn't want to spend on him. Yes we got Pogba and Lukaku, but that is just a drop in the ocean compared to what city has invested and we are now falling far behind.

 

[el3mel]

That may well be true, but if Jose is primed for an exit (either sacked, or if he walks) they may not want the players he wanted.

If we fail because we have no quality at the back then the board and the manager are both to blame. The board for not spending and the manager for buying poorly in the past two windows.

I’m not one to stick up for Ed but here, he’s got a difficult man to manage who has a history of engineering situations to try and protect his own reputation, even where it damages the club he’s managing. Nobody is bigger than the club. Jose gets well paid to get on with a job, not pick fights all over and create difficulties. The manager of a modern club is an employee. The club shouldn’t, in my opinion give him free reign.

That's what we have been talking about for ages now. If they're not trusting Mourinho anymore on his choices and aren't willing to get him the players he wanted, why don't they sack him and bring another manager they trust then ? What they have done is that they left the team with a manager they seem to not trust his choices anymore to manage a squad he doesn't trust several of its players. Complete recipe for a disaster. It's as if they decided to write this season off before they started.

Agree on the second line though and as I said, Lindelof signing was a mistake and unnecessary, but should have been better to correct it from now rather than later.

 

[spwd]

If what the board perceived as value was Varane we would have never got anyone. The standard the board set as a value to spend according to the briefing means that they weren't ready to spend any farther but wanted to save face and show that they have intent but didn't find good targets, exactly what was Arsenal were doing for years. If you're fooled with that, Ok.



Some of these players have performed pretty well for Mourinho on several occasions, Pogba, Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Rashford, hell even Martial all had pretty good games mixed with some bad ones. They haven't poor the whole run at all. Mikhi and Lindelof are the ones who were mostly rubbish here thus can be considered flops.

Pogba has performed in World Cup in a role that Mourinho wants him to do here. A CM with defensive duties and can launch counters, play simple football and be a part of the team. People were talking about Pogba should be given a free roam role without restrictions but when he actually did well with restrictions at World Cup they're using this as a base. That's the funny thing.



I'm talking about the current season.

We have finished second last season, ahead of everyone bar one. The next step was to improve the team farther to close the gap with City and mount a title challenge, to move from second spot to challenging the first who has unlimited funds, like what City did for Pep after his first season when finished 3rd, 15 points away from first spot or what Liverpool did for Klopp after finishing 4th, 17 and 25 points in respective away from the top. They now have a better and more balanced team than us thanks to their board plans.

Instead, we decided to feck up the market, don't sign any targets and told the manager to feck off and do with what he had, different from City approach with Pep after he finished 3rd and win nothing. He said he gave a list of 5 players, then said he wanted 2 but got only 1, didn't get any. That means we got him 2/5 or something of the targets that we were supposed to continue improving and move from second spot to challenge for the first.

If you reached the point in which you don't trust the manager and think his targets are shite and not suited for the club, that he won't improve anyone and it's useless to spend more money for him, why even keep him in charge ? Sack him immediately and bring another one to spend money for. How is that concept very hard for some to gather ?! You're fine with your board not backing the manager in his 3rd season, ok, what's your point of them not sacking him then ?

The end is the situation became a manager who the board didn't trust and decided to not back him any farther, but also decided to not sack him and left him to manage a squad that he wanted to improve and doesn't trust some of its players.

Your board has simply written this season off before it even began. They didn't sack Mourinho but refused to back him any farther. How can both happen exactly in any decently managed club ? Impossible.

Back him or sack him, but don't leave the team in a fecking nutshells at the start of the season. If you trust your manager ideas of the team like what City and Pool did away from the results, back him to the heart and bring him all his targets. If you don't like the approach of your manager and think his targets are too old and don't represent value for money, sack him immediately and bring a manager who suits your ideas as a CEO. Both situations are much better than the shite show we decided to make.

What we did is the board decided to write this season off completely and wait for the next one. No good managed or well run club will do this shite. More importantly, no club board will do this and be appreciated by the fans like what you're doing. The only reason for that is that it's coming under a hated figure of a manager from the most like Mourinho. Any other manager having the same problem and I doubt the reactions would have been the same.

I agree with everything you’re saying, the posters on the other side of the argument haven’t got an answer for why Ed didnt sack Jose if he doesn’t trust him.

I know others have said its not as simple as back him or sack him, but that’s exactly how it is, and also the argument about Lindelof or anyone else who’s flopped being kept on “just because he asked for them” is fecking nonsense, we bought ADM who was Madrids player of the season before we signed him, but he turned out shit, flops happen all the time it’s inevitable some players wont work out, but dealing with it by keeping them is stupid, if you realise they’re not as good as you expected them to be and there’s players available that should in theory be better than them and improve the squad, then you should get them, just like city etc have done, but again these replacements might turn out crap too, so you may need to replace them, as per city etc.

What you don’t do is sit on your hands and basically give up on the season even before it starts, Ed has had a list of players jose would be happy with for months, actually not long after his contract extension so he must’ve known at that time if he was going to buy them or not, so he should have got a new man in before the window opened and worked with whoever that may have been, instead he decided to do feck all and briefed the press that he knows better than one of the best managers of all time and now we’re fecked until at least January, but will jose be gone or will Ed realise hes been a prat and back him, who knows.

It seemed to me that Jose was miserable and stressed before Ed did his brief because he was hoping someone was coming in, but as soon as Ed kicked Jose in the teeth, Jose seemed more relaxed and happy, like, well i dont give a shit anymore , i cant do anything about it so we’ll just see what happens in the season.

 

[RedRover]

So you agree that it's fair to say you are wrong on your stance as Mourinho was given less budget to work with than Pep. The evidence is clear, we cannot afford Alderweireld and Perisic on our budget.

Not sure why you want to bring up all those other guys as they have nothing to do with what you are saying. Maguire is not up to standard so Woodward didn't want to spend on him. Yes we got Pogba and Lukaku, but that is just a drop in the ocean compared to what city has invested and we are now falling far behind.

Where did I say that? You have no idea what “budget” had had and nor do I. He bought both players as the start of the window with presumably no guarantees of what deals would be done later. It indicates to me that he wanted those players and got the deals done early so they faced less competition.

As for the bold part - you have no evidence. The same “budget” is paying Sanchez more than any player in the league. It broke a world record for Pogba. Evidence suggests otherwise.

City have spent more. Their manager is also getting a tune out of those players (including those derided on here like Stones and Sterling) and some average players he inherited.

Spending more might have closed the gap. It also might not because as it stands, even quality players like Sanchez and Pogba look blunted in our system.

Regardless, United will not be run like City and in my opinion, if doesn’t have to be. There needs to be less ego and sideshows and more performances on the pitch. Jose has built sides that play good football and been successful. Time to show he can do it here.

 

[RedRover]

That's what we have been talking about for ages now. If they're not trusting Mourinho anymore on his choices and aren't willing to get him the players he wanted, why don't they sack him and bring another manager they trust then ? What they have done is that they left the team with a manager they seem to not trust his choices anymore to manage a squad he doesn't trust several of its players. Complete recipe for a disaster. It's as if they decided to write this season off before they started.

Agree on the second line though and as I said, Lindelof signing was a mistake and unnecessary, but should have been better to correct it from now rather than later.

That assumes they’ll hand a manager an open cheque book. That won’t happen. The club isn’t run like that and never will be. Fans need to accept that.

 

[el3mel]

That assumes they’ll hand a manager an open cheque book. That won’t happen. The club isn’t run like that and never will be. Fans need to accept that.

God help us then with everyone of our rivals, even Liverpool, are giving a cheque book totheir managers and splashing the cash. Eventually we'll end up being left behind everyone.

 

[Mainoldo]

So you agree that it's fair to say you are wrong on your stance as Mourinho was given less budget to work with than Pep. The evidence is clear, we cannot afford Alderweireld and Perisic on our budget.

Not sure why you want to bring up all those other guys as they have nothing to do with what you are saying. Maguire is not up to standard so Woodward didn't want to spend on him. Yes we got Pogba and Lukaku, but that is just a drop in the ocean compared to what city has invested and we are now falling far behind.

What does all this have to do with him playing crap football? Answer me that? Watford spend half our budget but played Brighton off the park.

For your points why didn’t we just get budget Maguire if we was counting penny’s so much.

 

[spwd]

That assumes they’ll hand a manager an open cheque book. That won’t happen. The club isn’t run like that and never will be. Fans need to accept that.

It doesn’t mean that at all, it stupid keeping someone you don’t trust, exactly the same with Lindelof, we thought hed be decent but he’s not, so we need to replace him, not keep him just because we thought wrong.

 

[Mainoldo]

That assumes they’ll hand a manager an open cheque book. That won’t happen. The club isn’t run like that and never will be. Fans need to accept that.

No club has an open cheque book. This isn’t FM I don’t get why people can’t grasp this.

 

[Mainoldo]

It doesn’t mean that at all, it stupid keeping someone you don’t trust, exactly the same with Lindelof, we thought hed be decent but he’s not, so we need to replace him, not keep him just because we thought wrong.

Chelsea fans said the same thing about Mo Salah imagine that.

 

[Fitchett]

According to Wikipedia, we've had 21 managers since 1892 to the current date (Walter Crickmer and Sir Matt Busby each had two stints). We have won the League a record 20 times. But, we have won the league under three of those managers only (Mangnall (2), Busby (5), Ferguson (13). Therefore, 18 managers failed to deliver us a league title win. This shows how as a club, we have heavily relied on the genius of three exceptional managers, rather than any solid club structure, to deliver sustained success, on a par with the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona et al.

Surely this demonstrates the need for the club to get a proper structure implemented, with a Director of Football at the helm, assisted by a Head Coach and team of specialists, so that we aren't dependent on an exceptional manager to provide us with success.

 

[spwd]

Chelsea fans said the same thing about Mo Salah imagine that.

Just because He wasn’t very good at Chelsea doesn’t mean he cant be better in another team, it’s nonsense, we got ADM remember, but he turned out shit, players can do well in certain teams and suck in others, they’re not robots.

 

[el3mel]

Chelsea fans said the same thing about Mo Salah imagine that.

They loaned him for 1.5 seaaons and saw him playing for Fiorentina and Roma with their eyes before deciding to sell him. Not sure what's the point here.

No club has an open cheque book. This isn’t FM I don’t get why people can’t grasp this.

Our biggest 2 rivals have apparently.

 

[Mainoldo]

Just because He wasn’t very good at Chelsea doesn’t mean he cant be better in another team, it’s nonsense, we got ADM remember, but he turned out shit, players can do well in certain teams and suck in others, they’re not robots.

So Basel, Florentina, Roma and Liverpool but sucks at ‘one’ club. So what’s your point was he good or crap? Stats wise he was more good than crap. You’ve just told me Lindelöf is not levels I’m saying I wouldn’t be so quick to judge considering his circumstances

 

[Mainoldo]

They loaned him for 1.5 seaaons and saw him playing for Fiorentina and Roma with their eyes before deciding to sell him. Not sure what's the point here.



Our biggest 2 rivals have apparently.

He was as good as gone as soon as he got loaned out, I’d say the same about Martial if we did the same with him.

Liverpool refuses the pay for VVD last summer. City turned down Sanchez and Jorginho when the money increased hardly open cheque book moves. Like United they clearly have it they just have a value and values. Abit like buying a car.

 

[spwd]

So Basel, Florentina, Roma and Liverpool but sucks at ‘one’ club. So what’s your point was he good or crap? Stats wise he was more good than crap. You’ve just told me Lindelöf is not levels I’m saying I wouldn’t be so quick to judge considering his circumstances

Im just saying its not an exact science, so are you saying we should have kept ADM and Falcao?

 

[Skills]

Kit washer at United is a bigger job than Sporting Director at Zenit.

 

[pocco]

What does all this have to do with him playing crap football? Answer me that? Watford spend half our budget but played Brighton off the park.

For your points why didn’t we just get budget Maguire if we was counting penny’s so much.

This is one of the very worst arguments I've seen made over the last week by a few posters. We lost a game against a team that got beat by somebody else. So what. We finished second last season, which means we did considerably better than Watford and practically every other team. They dropped points where we didn't.

The season is judged over a season, not on everyone's record Vs Brighton.

 

[red thru&thru]

According to Wikipedia, we've had 21 managers since 1892 to the current date (Walter Crickmer and Sir Matt Busby each had two stints). We have won the League a record 20 times. But, we have won the league under three of those managers only (Mangnall (2), Busby (5), Ferguson (13). Therefore, 18 managers failed to deliver us a league title win. This shows how as a club, we have heavily relied on the genius of three exceptional managers, rather than any solid club structure, to deliver sustained success, on a par with the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona et al.

Surely this demonstrates the need for the club to get a proper structure implemented, with a Director of Football at the helm, assisted by a Head Coach and team of specialists, so that we aren't dependent on an exceptional manager to provide us with success.

Great post. Fully agree.

 

[JMack1234]

I really don't want Woodward out. He's one of the best corporate directors in the business and since the Glazers won't put any money in that's absolutely vital. He just shouldn't be involved in the football side of the operation. The banner should read 'Woodward stay in your lane'

 

[Mainoldo]

This is one of the very worst arguments I've seen made over the last week by a few posters. We lost a game against a team that got beat by somebody else. So what. We finished second last season, which means we did considerably better than Watford and practically every other team. They dropped points where we didn't.

The season is judged over a season, not on everyone's record Vs Brighton.

It’s a crap arguement but I tell you what also is a crap argument.. we can’t play football because we didn’t get a CB, LB and RW. Like we are handicapped and or only way to attack and and not sit off teams is to fill these positions.

Yes big teams lose to the odd small team but that was a joke. I didn’t even watched the Watford game I was just being tongue and cheque because I’m fed up of people moaning about not spending money and I’m a certified transfer muppet.

 

[el3mel]

He was as good as gone as soon as he got loaned out, I’d say the same about Martial if we did the same with him.

Liverpool refuses the pay for VVD last summer. City turned down Sanchez and Jorginho when the money increased hardly open cheque book moves. Like United they clearly have it they just have a value and values. Abit like buying a car.

Nah they could have returned him if they wanted. Chelsea loan loads of players each seaaon to see their peformance to check who will return and who won't, and Salah was still considered a young boy by then.

Whether they have poor eyes or not, that's different example from Lindelof because he became already an unknown excuses.

You're getting your facts wrong :

1- Liverpool didn't refuse to go after VVD. They had to delay the deal after the tapping up thing getting exposed and to save face they wrote an apology for Southampton. Later on when the water become cold they splashed 75m on him. The deal was never off, but they delayed it till everything calm down. They were helped by Coutinho money for sure, but they still spent 50m on Keita, 43m for Fabinho and Alisson for 67m. That exceeded Coutinho money. ( btw, Alisson replaced Karius, a flop signed by Klopp himself ).

2- Pep was the one who stopped Sanchez deal. All City reporters at this time mentioned he and the board had a meeting and decided to stop it and let him join another club. It wasn't forced on Pep. He still got a 60m Mahrez 6 months later as a relacement.

3- Pep said in his own words in a presser that the board had full agreement with Jorginho and he was the one who changed hia opinion and chose Chelsea so they let him go. The board was wiling to buy but it was the player's decision, and since he was considered a luxury playe anyway, it wasn't a major issue, unlike when thy spent 290m in 2.5 seasons under Pep on defense and GKs alone.

 

[arthurka]

According to Wikipedia, we've had 21 managers since 1892 to the current date (Walter Crickmer and Sir Matt Busby each had two stints). We have won the League a record 20 times. But, we have won the league under three of those managers only (Mangnall (2), Busby (5), Ferguson (13). Therefore, 18 managers failed to deliver us a league title win. This shows how as a club, we have heavily relied on the genius of three exceptional managers, rather than any solid club structure, to deliver sustained success, on a par with the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona et al.

Surely this demonstrates the need for the club to get a proper structure implemented, with a Director of Football at the helm, assisted by a Head Coach and team of specialists, so that we aren't dependent on an exceptional manager to provide us with success.

Nail and head .. Great post .

 

[Jippy]

I really don't want Woodward out. He's one of the best corporate directors in the business and since the Glazers won't put any money in that's absolutely vital. He just shouldn't be involved in the football side of the operation. The banner should read 'Woodward stay in your lane'

I'm not sure. He sees a bit of a naive bell too tbf.

 

[Mainoldo]

Im just saying its not an exact science, so are you saying we should have kept ADM and Falcao?

I’m not to sure what your point is? So because I player doesn’t perform for us adding that to a list of about 10. We should remove them all because the players are the problem even though when they play anywhere but here they are good?

What does this have to do with DiMaria and Falcao. Di Maria couldn’t settle it happens, Falcao had 2 knee surgeries and needed about 4 years to get back at the races and even know he can’t play to the level he once was. What does your examples have to do with Mo Salah the current English player of the year?

 

[CA1]

If you're defending Ed Woodward and you want what is best for Manchester United then I can only assume you are a masochist.

 

[Perseus]

What does all this have to do with him playing crap football? Answer me that? Watford spend half our budget but played Brighton off the park.

For your points why didn’t we just get budget Maguire if we was counting penny’s so much.

Doucouré


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[Womp]

Blame the manager all you like, but our issue is we lack an identity and a plan, that's down to the board. You can complain about Jose's tactics until the cows come home but the board hired him knowing what to expect, they hired him on impulse and because they lacked a long term vision.

They're the ones who decide to boycott transfers because they're not good value, they're the ones who hire and sack managers, they're the ones who should be implementing our identity going forward. All these things are far more important than Jose playing shit football.

Look at how City planned and prepared for Pep years before he arrived.

 

[Miscemayl]

Wtf is Ed doing? I understand no budget, don't want to spend but with the various briefing he's completely undermined Mourinho. We now hear Zidane's waiting and all this shit.

If he didn't mean to undermine Jose and simply fecked up, he should come out strongly and back Jose

Or just sack him and move on

Having question mark over the manager 2 games into the season is bloody stupid.

 

[goin4glory]

Chelsea fans said the same thing about Mo Salah imagine that.

By this logic we should just hold onto everyone who doesn't appear good enough in the hope they turn into Salah 2.0. Not sure this is a very good idea.

 

[goin4glory]

Wtf is Ed doing? I understand no budget, don't want to spend but with the various briefing he's completely undermined Mourinho. We now hear Zidane's waiting and all this shit.

If he didn't mean to undermine Jose and simply fecked up, he should come out strongly and back Jose

Or just sack him and move on

Having question mark over the manager 2 games into the season is bloody stupid.

Have you read the Jamie Jackson bit in the Guardian? It's embarrassing.

 

[steffyr2]

So to recap..........

The Utd board decided not to invest in players this summer.
They held at least 1 press conference bashing the skills of their current manager.
They said they were going with a DoF and looking for long term growth instead of short term performance.

Every time I see this thread pop-up, I expect that there's news. Because otherwise, why would the board go thru the summer, not get new players, and then decide to start a new organizational structure when the season has started? Are they running a football team or not?

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

I've said a few times, the loss of Gill was just as damaging as the loss of Fergie. We have been a horribly run club for close to 10 years now (2009)

We need to sort this out imminently.

 

[Mainoldo]

By this logic we should just hold onto everyone who doesn't appear good enough in the hope they turn into Salah 2.0. Not sure this is a very good idea.

Not really. I didn’t like Lindelof from the jump I seen him as a pu%€y who couldn’t head. Then I seen Huddersfield and thought well here we go. However I refuse to call players crap under a man who has never developed a youth player, can only improve and work with ready mades and plays crap football. It really doesn’t have nothing to do with Salah. It’s just an easy example for people to digest.

I’m still unsure if Lukaku is actually a clinical finisher and I will repeatedly say this because the guy only gets 2 chances a game. I can’t judge most of these players so how many seem fit to tell me they are rubbish when non of them perform to a high level I don’t know.

 

[goin4glory]

Not really. I didn’t like Lindelof from the jump I seen him as a pu%€y who couldn’t head. Then I seen Huddersfield and thought well here we go. However I refuse to call players crap under a man who has never developed a youth player, can only improve and work with ready mades and plays crap football. It really doesn’t have nothing to do with Salah. It’s just an easy example for people to digest.

I’m still unsure if Lukaku is actually a clinical finisher and I will repeatedly say this because the guy only gets 2 chances a game. I can’t judge most of these players so how many seem fit to tell me they are rubbish when non of them perform to a high level I don’t know.

Mourinho brought through Varane to be fair. My point is that we shouldn't compound a mistake by holding onto players who aren't good enough due to ego/pride which is what some posters seem to be insinuating with the "well he spent 30m so now he has to play" malark. I'm sure Mourinho is aware he messed up with the Lindelof signing but it's done now and we have to move forward.