I agree with every single thing you say but I wouldn't be so sure about a 2nd or 3rd place this time. Just a couple bad results early into the season combined with Mourinhos negativity, and lets face it he was being miserable from the start of pre season and I can't even imagine how fuming he is now as we didn't sign anyone, as I was saying a couple bad results and we could possibly find ourselves in the same position as Chelsea during the 15-16 season. Problem with Mourinho is that when things start getting really ugly it's a straight and fast path down to a complete fecking shit show. That's one of the risks we took when hiring him and if it happens we deserve it for not thinking about the red flags before making the decision to hire him.
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I agree with every single thing you say but I wouldn't be so sure about a 2nd or 3rd place this time. Just a couple bad results early into the season combined with Mourinhos negativity, and lets face it he was being miserable from the start of pre season and I can't even imagine how fuming he is now as we didn't sign anyone, as I was saying a couple bad results and we could possibly find ourselves in the same position as Chelsea during the 15-16 season. Problem with Mourinho is that when things start getting really ugly it's a straight and fast path down to a complete fecking shit show. That's one of the risks we took when hiring him and if it happens we deserve it for not thinking about the red flags before making the decision to hire him.
They already have B.Silva to replace David Silva. I guess you forgot him ?
Woodward is the same "Woodward" who helped the Glazers to take control of the club. His reward was his current position, and his job is to get as much cash out of the club and its name as possible with damn all regard for the club itself. United have become a cash cow.
Well given how we played against the top 6 I don't think it's strange if we played the same against the bottom 6 we'd post 10 extra points on the board......it's not exactly a strange concept. City had issues against everyone in that first season and so nailing down the issues leaned more towards overhaul.
I'd argue they are completely different players but whatever.
Besides why can't you have the same mentality for our squad? We have Shaw and Dalot all ready made to replace the fullbacks, Bailly and Lindelof all ready to replace the CBs, so all we need is a right winger really
Pretty Much what I was saying, if the board no longer back him they should get rid but they can't really get anyone who is a superior Coach tactically but they might feel that they can get a Coach like Zidanne who commands the ultimate respect as a player to get the most out of flair players like Rashford, Martial, Pogba and Sanchez and mentally swich the players on to a more attacking style. From what we hear Zidanne is not as good a Coach as Mourinho tactically but he seems currently to be far superior at man management.
Playing against the top 6 is different than playing against the bottom teams. You remember LVG had exactly the same problem as well. The bottom teams completely park the bus and play in their last third while waiting for a chance to counter or from set pieces.
The best way to beat these parked buses is to open play from the flanks and use your wings and fullbacks, and we're crap in this part. We always try to go through the middle which is useless against a parked bus imo.
That's completely different from playing a top team who will come and attack.
Seems like he's decided to veto a couple of Mourinho's decisions. Which obviously won't end well.
If you don't trust the manager's judgement in terms of building a squad, IMO you should fire the manager - not deny him backing in the market.
If you don't trust the manager's judgement in terms of building a squad, IMO you should fire the manager - not deny him backing in the market.
If they were Jose's targets then why spend half the summer chasing centre backs rather than fullbacks?
We haven't got all the players that we would want that is a given but Jose has had a fortune to spend and he hasn't prioritised the areas of most need with the money, so who takes the blame?
Maybe he will have to consider now giving some of the youth players a chance and who knows we might unearth a full back like Liverpool, but more likely he will play a half fit Valencia all year.
25m in dividends and 20m in interest rates (which most of it, if not all would have gone in taxes) from a revenue of near 600m is most of it. Welcome to the Caf, when facts are irrelevant with math being even less!
I have hopes for Dalot and hopefully he turns out well, but we urgently needed someone to replace Valencia this season imo. He's one of the biggest reasons why we're slow in the buildup and going forward.
Shaw have been crap ever since the injury and this preseason was no different. We should have replaced him, not giving him yet another season which will end with Young starting as a main LB again anyway.
Come on mate. Come February they were in FA cup, finalist in League cup and made it in the SF's in the CL.
They obviously prioritized the CL and won 2 points out of 9 in the last three games, finishing 5 off the 2nd place, fielding second string players in those matches and when the title was lost.
Their new signings had to bed in as well 150m pounds spent just before the season.
City team at the time boasted with 10 players that were bought at different times for 24m pounds or more - De Bruyne, Sterling, Aguero, Otamendi, Mangala(flop), Bony(flop), Fernandinho, Nasri(meh), Silva, Toure with only Toure and Fernandinho over 30.
If we use the same yard stick and please correct me if I'm wrong, we had 6 players brought in for 20m pounds or more - Shaw(flop), Depay(flop), Martial, Fellaini(flop), Rooney(old and crap) and Herrera(meh).
In essence, no it wasn't the same world class squad, far from it.
Everyone is on about Jose giving Ed a list. And it fees like Ed behaved like a typical husband buying groceries based on a list the Mrs gave him.
Wife: Did you buy the toothpaste'?
Husband: I didn't because the one on the list was not on the shelf. Should i go back to the store? oh wait its closed!
Wife: Did you buy the toothpaste'?
Husband: I didn't because the one on the list was not on the shelf. Should i go back to the store? oh wait its closed!
The club is being milked.
The telegraph article feels like a leak by Ed justifying his side of the story.
Does Ed really feel all positions are addressed when the LB and RW situation is so dire? Madness.
Does Ed really feel all positions are addressed when the LB and RW situation is so dire? Madness.
I saw you could recognize the difference the management can do to a team in previous posts. Here is another case that can be applied. City never once pushed out of top 4. They are in top 3 in more rounds than Tottenham. They fell off the cliff toward the end of the season is more the reason than we performed in same level. Remember they made semi final of CL which is still their longest run in their history which suggested they had their foot off the gas in the league compared to us. A season ain't only made of a competition. They were in title challenging before the announcement of managerial change made, and 7+ points clear of us. 6+ after new year as we know is a mountain to climb in normal circumstance.
They’ve probably already replaced Silva with Silva.
You'll see enough on this forum to show we play too defensive against everyone....top 6...bottom 6.....We just didnt perform due to lack of focus in some games....same players.....Jose more than any PL manager adapts to suit the opposition!
Didn't we drop signing Sandro because Shaw didn't want to leave? And that was Ed's choice not Jose.
Funny you've mentioned our youth. It would be nice to see them get an opportunity. But half the cafe thinks the ones that do play - McT - are gash while those constantly on loan - TFM - are the next coming.
Because Mourinho said earlier he gave Ed a list of 5 players, and he also said that he wanted to 2 players but think he'll only get one of them. We weren't clearly targeting a CB alone, at least it's clear from the second quote about him wanting to add 2 more players.
And yes, if Mourinho think there's no problem in the fullbacks position, he has to share the blame. I'm not shielding him.
Great at making money for the glazers and signing just enough quality to sustain top 4.
We weren't defensive against bottom 6 but I think we looked completely hopeless and far from scoring in several of these games because of lack of options and persisting on going through one way to penetrate their defense imo.
Dalot can absolutely come in this season if he's good enough. Might even take Valencia's spot by the end of the year. Age is no issue if you're good.
Shaw being crap doesn't make our investment in him disappear though. It's still £30 million worth of full back there that Ed has previously bought. He doesn't just disappear into thin air because the fans deem them crap.
I’m not defending anyone.
How do you know that’s how Mourinho felt? How do you know he felt they were our weaknesses? Utter bollocks, unless you’re about to tell me you’re a close personal friend of Mourinho or work for United (other than sweeping the reception floor) I’ll take that, but as I suspect, like the rest of us, you know feck all mate.
Comes back on the players.....Mou has an amazing record of winning against dross.......our players need to do better...they finished 2nd which shows they listen.....sometimes
I hope you're right regarding Dalot.
I was completely for the investment in Shaw when we signed him, a young English fullback that looked well in South, no one could have said no. However, being crap for years and persisting on giving him a final chance one after another is just not helping anyone, not even Shaw himself. Should have sold him and invested in another left back.
Exactly, we have become a club that is happy being second as long as we get
They did well in UCL, to be fair. We also weren't that bad in cups, we actually won FA Cup. And we were leading 2-1 in the final game, which had finished so, would have put City on Europa (instead of us).
City underperformed with that squad. To be fair, so did us considering that LVG was sacked and we wanted him out in Jan. Both teams played much worse than they should have.
Obviously City had a better team than us but their team was hardly world class, and our team was hardly shit. They were comparable with theirs being a bit better.
We all know feck all about what's happening in the club, but putting assumptions based on quotes, journalists and what we actually see. If your point is we shouldn't talk unless we know exactly what's happening inside, there's no point of this forum then, close it instead.
There we go, a bit of positivity.
Seems the club is briefing on why they ended up not signing any centre back, explaining each target specifically. How about explaining why we did not sign a left back, a right sided attacker or a backup striker? What they are currently explaining, it seems, is why they didn't do the absolute bare minimum.
That is the narrative. And actually someone wrote in the Glazers thread that Pogba was bought with Ronaldo's money, which was ridiculous eventhough it was on a thread full of ridiculous posts when facts don't matter.
Maybe I missed it, but was anyone interested in taking Shaw?
I would like to think we wouldn't change our plans just because a reserve player running down the one year left on their contract didn't want to leave?
You can't really improve on 33 year olds Valencia and Young and eternally overweight and injured Shaw in the full backs position mate.
You can't improve on Smalling and Jones not being donkeys on the ball at the back and having the former sometimes hit 270 degrees swirl to get the body in the right position to play a simple 5 yard pass.
You also can't improve of not having a defence organizer and cool head at the back to start our attacks and not being liability under pressure when pressed by opposition attackers.
You also can't improve on not having a right winger or a player who favorites the right wing, not just able to fit into holes and "do a job".
You can't improve on having only one striker and no backup for the entire season, having to play Sanchez, or Martial, or Rashford as such despite that being obviously not their best position.
Yes, we have a good team to be in the top 4, but why shouldn't the biggest marketing footballing machine invest to try to reach the top and knock City off there?
There are no excuses for how things ended up the way they are. Anyone would have realised that their targets were pretty far-fetched and that there were many more ways to go about reinforcing other areas where there were more options. Ed failed this summer, massively.
Lots of very detailed pieces in the media tonight trying to explain why United didn't do more in the transfer market. Clearly someone at the club has been on the phone to their favourite journalists...
...Yeah cos what the media tells us will convince everyone that actually there's no defenders better than what we have, no full backs better than what we have and no wide right's better than what we have.
...Yeah cos what the media tells us will convince everyone that actually there's no defenders better than what we have, no full backs better than what we have and no wide right's better than what we have.
It is obvious to me that our fans want the club to become better and win european trophies, leagues and cups. But we have a major problem, our owners are looking at finishing in the top four every season so as to qualify for the champions league. The aim is not to win trophies. The aim is to make profit.
Ridiculous. Fans are not that stupid.
Actually found it quite hilarious the briefing is saying what we were targeting were short term fixes no better than what we have.
Since when our board are football experts ? As far as I'm concerned, they're all businessmen whose only experience is in generating money.
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