Deco? Carvalho? He probably also managed to get the best out of Lampard, Terry and Joe Cole. I don't know really.
Mourinho is a bit untested in certain circumstances, due to his lack of years.
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Deco? Carvalho? He probably also managed to get the best out of Lampard, Terry and Joe Cole. I don't know really.
Mourinho is a bit untested in certain circumstances, due to his lack of years.
People questioning Mourinho's style of play is valid. Its not the 'United way'.
What is not being mentioned enough though is that we haven't really been playing the United way for a number of seasons. We can accept a slightly more negative approach because we love watching United, but we perhaps do not always recognise it for what it is.
How our club will fare after Ferguson is a massive concern. We need someone who will come in and get results one way or another. Mourinho is the stand out candidate for me, by far. Further to that, I actually think he'd have fun with these players, and although he's never come out and said it, he'd walk to Manchester for the chance to manage United.
What is not being mentioned enough though is that we haven't really been playing the United way for a number of seasons. We can accept a slightly more negative approach because we love watching United, but we perhaps do not always recognise it for what it is.
How our club will fare after Ferguson is a massive concern. We need someone who will come in and get results one way or another. Mourinho is the stand out candidate for me, by far. Further to that, I actually think he'd have fun with these players, and although he's never come out and said it, he'd walk to Manchester for the chance to manage United.
True True. I wouldn't be devastated with a manager like Mourinho at our club, I just think he doesn't fit in with how I feel a representitive of our club should act.
Ferguson is a questionable representative of our club, currently serving a touchlne ban for saying a referee was unfit. Do you think that is dignified behaviour?
Of course it isn't, but who cares? For every United fan who appreciate Fergusons willingness to do everything to get results, there are fifty other fans who think he's an arsehole. Doesn't bother me.
If anything, Mourinho is about the closest 'second coming' of Ferguson I recall seeing in the last fifteen years.
Fergie is a very dignified man yes. I don't care about occasionally if he upsets the F.A for a questionable comment after a bad result, however his friendship with other managers, his looking after his players and his relationship with the general footballing community is great IMO.
I've not dismissed Blanc at all, can you tell me where I have? I've just said it's silly considering him for the job of Manchester United manager simply because he has made an impressive start with Bordeaux. If he maintains that and does it consistently for the next 4/5/6 years then yes, he should be considered, but a replacement will be needed sooner than then, and Fergie fits the bill.
And Johnno, Lyon aren't the team they were a few years ago, they've declined a hell of a lot whilst other French teams have certainly made progress. If Blanc was managing Bordeuz 3/4 years ago, he wouldn't have come anywhere near the title.
Oh so Blanc doing a good job in one of the top two leagues in the world gets him dismissed, whilst getting promoted twice and sacked means Fergie jr is a good choice? Get a grip.
Mourinho!He made it a one horse race Pogue. Look at Porto before he became their manager. He certainly inherited a good squad there, a lot of the players who won the CL were already there, but akin to Chelsea he instilled a belief in the team and a lot of players increased a level or two.
He won the UEFA Cup, Champions League, 2 league Titles and 2 other domestic cups whilst there in 2 years, whichever way you spin it, that's bloody well impressive.
Hughes is showing it takes more than the ability just to be able to spend money to make United successful. He came in, made Chelsea the best team in England, who could score for fun, where damn difficult to beat, and were near impossible to score against, breaking all sorts of records along the way. Yes he spent money, of course he did. But the chairman also interfered and spent a lot of his money for him.
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Serie A being so poor is hardly his fault. I don't follow it, so I can't really comment on his time there, other than in the CL, but a few posters on here have said he is doing a very good job there, particularly in youth development where a lot of people on here seem to have some concern.
We won the CL in 99 because of a crossbar, we won it in '08 because Terry slipped. Yes, he was fortunate that Scholes' goal was disallowed for no reason, but then all managers need good fortune. What if Robbins hadn't have scored?
And he won the CL with Porto, should have at least been in the final in 2005, where it not for an incompetent linesman allowing a Liverpool goal that shouldn't have been, were unlucky in 05/06, and went out only to penalties the season after. Grant also came extremely close to winning it with his team. He hasn't underperformed, he's been unlucky in some seasons, just as Fergie has. If anything, over a span of 23 years, Fergie winning the competition just twice is an underachievement, himself having acknowledged this.
He probably 'continously clashed' with the board because off too much interferance, suffice to say I don't think he needs to worry about that at United. If he is allowed to manage the team, and have the final say on decisions as a manager should do, then I see no reason as to why he would clash with the board. If the Glazers however start signing players for him, then he will rightly so be annoyed. Curbishley left West Ham for the same reason (Actually, they were selling players), as have many other managers.
Of course he'll want to make some tweaks and additions, he'll want to put his stamp on the squad, and I doubt selling some players will cause disruption, Fergie has sold many players, sometimes some of our best, during his tenure here and he's always been vindicated on it. I doubt Mourinho would sell a player that will make the team worse.
Ancelotti has also been managing much, much longer than Mourinho, of course he's going to have won more CL's, I fail to see why that should be an issue.
Yes, we were a poor squad when Mourinho came, we had bad luck with injuries and we had a lot going on at the club at the time, so he did come at a good time with regards to that respect. But Arsenal were still a very good side in 04/05, don't dismiss them simply to try and strengthen your argument against Mourinho, they were doing very well before we ended their unbeaten run, then they just seemed to collapse, because mentally they have never been very strong under Wenger. Arsenal had a very, very good team. You don't go from being unbeaten one season to being a 'shadow of the team' you were over a summer's period. It's bollocks and you know it.
I think Mourinho left because Grant was brought in as a Director of Football, against his wishes. Once decisions start being taken out of your hands, your position as manager becomes untenable, why should he stay if managers/staff are being brought in against his will? That Chelsea team just had a bad start to the season, if Mourinho had have stayed they'd have done just as good as Grant did with them, if not better (He always had a good record against us).
A lot of people have made the point that Mourinho hasn't really been tested in his ability to build a team from scratch without the use of a huge amount of money backing him.
Now, you could say that Fergie has had a lot of money available to him in his time, and this is true, but he has also been able to bring through a lot of young players. The 'Fergie Fledglings' generation is something of a one-off, and I don't expect Mourinho to be able to emulate that, but Fergie has continually developed and improved our youth system in the time that he's been here.
I'm not sure whether Mourinho would place the same amount of emphasis on youth - something which is part of the tradition of United in the same way as attacking football - and would be inclined to spend a lot of money. That may not be a problem now, but the debt this club is accumalating, as well as the competition from other clubs spending stupid amounts, means we might not be able to compete as well in the transfer market in the future. If this is the case, the next manager of United will need to have an eye for fantastic youth development, especially if we want our manager to have a long career here (and the club seems to prefer it if our managers do).
I'm not saying Mourinho shouldn't be our next manager, because lets face it, very few other managers are capable of producing excellent youth like Fergie, and in my eyes Mourinho is still the best equipped manager out there to take on the mantle of someone like Fergie, I'm just pointing out a concern we may have with his management techniques.
Now, you could say that Fergie has had a lot of money available to him in his time, and this is true, but he has also been able to bring through a lot of young players. The 'Fergie Fledglings' generation is something of a one-off, and I don't expect Mourinho to be able to emulate that, but Fergie has continually developed and improved our youth system in the time that he's been here.
I'm not sure whether Mourinho would place the same amount of emphasis on youth - something which is part of the tradition of United in the same way as attacking football - and would be inclined to spend a lot of money. That may not be a problem now, but the debt this club is accumalating, as well as the competition from other clubs spending stupid amounts, means we might not be able to compete as well in the transfer market in the future. If this is the case, the next manager of United will need to have an eye for fantastic youth development, especially if we want our manager to have a long career here (and the club seems to prefer it if our managers do).
I'm not saying Mourinho shouldn't be our next manager, because lets face it, very few other managers are capable of producing excellent youth like Fergie, and in my eyes Mourinho is still the best equipped manager out there to take on the mantle of someone like Fergie, I'm just pointing out a concern we may have with his management techniques.
I believe that Porto squad had a few youth come through it. In fact, wasn't one of their players the youngest goalscorer in a European Cup final history? I believe he also had a few others under the age of 23 at Porto so he did use youth heavily.
At Chelsea, who the hell did they have in the youth ranks when he arrived? No one impressive that I recall.
I have no clue about Inter's squad outside the big name players.
At Chelsea, who the hell did they have in the youth ranks when he arrived? No one impressive that I recall.
I have no clue about Inter's squad outside the big name players.
This was pretty dismissive. Seriously.
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You are coming across as a bit of a Mourinho fanboy in this thread, there are a number of good options out there, but I don't think there is any outstanding candidate who ticks all the boxes. I'm keeping an open mind at the present.
He's bringing through players like Balotelli and Santon, so although they're obviously more talented than most, he will put young players in if he feels they're ready.
When's the last time Santon has even played?
i cant argue with this comment one bit. I like your comment about "Not the United way" this really aggravates me. Who would complain that United started to play with a similar style and mentality to that of Chelsea when they dominated themselves towards 2 back to back league titles if it was working and United won game after game in both Europe and in the domestic league? Winning after all is the United way isn't it.
If there is anything i would fault Mourinho for it would be his European success. Yes he won it with Porto but as most of us know Porto were found guilty recently of match fixing that season and it could well and truly have carried on into europe as Scholes was called offside at Old Trafford when he was a country mile on. He hasn't had a better chance to win the CL since he was at Chelsea and he did come up against a stunning Barcelona side that consisted of Ronaldinho at his best, Eto'o and non other than Henrik Larsson oh and Messi too dont forget. Apart from a few players such as Cesar, Maicon, Eto'o and Ibrahimovic he really hasnt had the talent to win the competition with Inter in my honest opinion. That has clearly been shown in the past 2 seasons when we comfortably beat them in the last 16 last season and how they were almost bullied from whistle to whistle by Barcelona.
I think if you took Fergie transfers in it would be a mixed bag as well. You cant have all transfers in being exquisite. You have to take gambles it's part and parcel of the game.
you have to think how many of those transfers were Mourinhos choosing or actually Ambromovich. Im pretty sure Shevchenko was an Ambromovich dream signing that failed miserably
Ifs and buts were candy and nuts.
So by the same reckoning, Fergies Aberdeen didnt really break the Old Firm Stranglehold, they just were lucky as Celtic & Rangers were in decline? Get tae fook!
Bordeaux are doing mint in the CL, he is continuing his form with them. Mourinho had 2 good seasons then was ready for the Chelsea job, whats not to say Blanc wont be ready for United in another year or so. Ferguson event wanted him as his No 2, why? Because he does nice cups of tea?
Think, McFly, think...
So because Ancellottis been around longer, he MUST have won more? fecking hell, Dario Gradi must have won 10 European Cups, Bobby Robson never won the European Cup, Hiddink has been managing for decades at an elite level but managed just the one.
In fact, go stick three fingers up your bum and sit on your elbow...
See, this is why I don't post much in the football forums, because if you go against what another poster thinks, you just get labelled a fanboy and the like. It's fecking stupid. No, I'm not a fanboy, I just think Mourinho is one of the best managers in football at the minute, who ticks more boxes than any other manager when we're looking for a replacement for when Fergie finally decided to call it a day.
Blanc, he may become a very very good manager, his success may just be a fluke, neither of us know for sure but he is just simply too inexperienced in management to take over the reigns from Fergie when he leaves, in my opinion. He could come in and do what Guardiola has done at Barcelona, possibly, but it would be a very big risk.
You're the one saying Mourinho was lucky because he came at a time when United were at their poorest for a long time and Arsenal were a shadow of their former selves, despite having just gone the previous season unbeaten. No other manager would have come in and have done as well with Chelsea than Mourinho did, I don't think.
Yes, Bordeux are doing well, but then Juventus are a poor team, are they not, hence the reason life for Jose is so easy in Serie A. And Bayern Munich are a pale shadow of the team they were in the late 90s/early 00s.
I'm not saying Blanc hasn't done well, of course he has, and he looks like he'll become a very good manager, but for me he is too inexperienced at the momet to take over from Fergie. It all depends when SAF leaves I suppose, if he retires in a few years, and Blanc has continued his success, then I he should be considered.
No, I'm not saying he must have won more. But Mourinho has been managing for far less time than Ancelotti has, so to use the fact he has won less CL's than Ancelotti is a bit silly.
It's not about that, people put forward Blanc as a potential manager and you laughed in their face, not really the way to argue your point intelligently or effectively hence you got a few people's backs up.
You seem to be very myopic about Mourinho being the only choice and arguing vehemently for him and ignoring faults, hence why I said that you are appearing like a fanboy.
Any managerial appointment will be a risk, the same as any player signing. There is no guarantee that any new manager will be a success, irregardless of their experience etc which has been proved on numerous occasions.
Balotelli was already brought through before Mourinho was there.
Elvis, tell me in a short summary EXACTLY why you want Mourinho as boss without ranting.
I laughed because they are suggesting him for the biggest job in football based on the fact he is an ex-united player and he has won Ligue 1. That's all he's done, and it's being suggested that he's the best option for the next United manager. I bet these people were also throwing Keane's name into the ring after one season at Sunderland. It's silly, and you know it.
I will later.
So a link to the club and success in your first appointment in a good league are reasons to laugh at someone's suggestion of Blanc? You are making yourself look silly.
The Keane analogy is irrelevant, just like your use of examples of random French managers who have failed abroad as other than a lack of experience you have no other back up for being so dismissive. Blanc appears to be a very well regarded young coach who in addition to success in his own country, is now having success in Europe, now who does that remind you of?
Mourinho just seems to fit. I've tried and cant think of a single other manager I'd see replacing Fergie without sending shivers of dread teaming through my every fibre.
It has to happen
Another way to look at it - Imagine him taking over at Liverpoo............ scary thought eh !
It has to happen
Another way to look at it - Imagine him taking over at Liverpoo............ scary thought eh !
So winning a major European league isn't good enough in your view? Come on Elvis, how can you dismiss knocking off Juventus and Bayern (away!), which kind of contradicts yout stance on Jose then by admitting Juve have gone downhill, effectively meaning Inter are STILL unmatched in Serie A yet strangely ineffective in Europe as we shown last season, fairly easily, and they have shown themselves for several years, pre-Mourinho. They haven't improved under him, in fact they looked more dangerous when Mancini was in charge but again, he was another casualty of someone being taken in by Jose's reputation as some football God.
Of course we shouldn't have Bruce or Keane, or O'Neill or Moyes for that matter as they haven't managed at that level but whilst Bordeaux are NO United, Blanc is showing he has the capacity to lead a team at the very top as per his great work with Bordeaux. You've also previously stated Lyon aren't the team they were, so what? They still had Benzemza and Juninho et al last season, it's funny how if I mention United and Arsenal were out of sorts between 2004-06, which they were, aloowing Chelsea perhaps an easier route to winning the Premiership back-to-back than at first glance yet you then suggest Bordeaux only won because Lyons didn't.
Bayern and Juventus are SHIT at the moment. Really shit . Bayern are on the brink of sacking there manager and are piss poor in the Bundes Liga !!!
Bayern are 4th in the League, ahead of Wolfsburg who gave us a hard game at Old Trafford, Juventus 3rd in Serie A. That isn't bad for shit teams, although you would expect more from Bayern given their expenditure.
If you're talking about the Wigan job, then maybe not, but as it happens, we are talking about the biggest job in football that every manager would love to have. I'm sorry, but a manager who has been managing 2 years just simply isn't experienced enough to take over the mantle.
Random French managers? Le Guen was hailed as a great manager by many due to his success at Lyon, he then went to Rangers and did terribly, and no-one even knows what he's doing now. Houllier went there and did well. Perrin, who was god-awful at Portsmouth, won Ligue 1, what does that tell you?
Fergie had been managing Aberdeen for 8 years, had won 3 SPL's, 4 Scottish Cups, the Scottish League Cup, the UEFA Cup Winners Cup and the UEFA Super Cup - I think that is why United went after him, and the comparison with Blanc, again, is silly.
Winning one. Perrin won it, should we go for him?
So, Juventus are are good when it comes to Blanc and his CL group, but you say they're not very good when it comes to Mourinho and Serie A. Hmmm.
You keep regurgitating the same arguments and are failing to respond to the actual posts. Shouting the same thing ad nauseum doesn't make your argument any more sound.
Are we really the biggest club in the world for a manager? You could argue Barcelona or Real were bigger draws for most foreign managers.
You seemed to be selectively picking managers who had won the Ligue 1 but had been relative failures when they'd moved, it is irrelevant to evaluating Blanc and has no merit.
No one is comparing SAF to Blanc, I was actually referring to Mourinho. He got his appointment at Chelsea not for his accomplishments in the League, but his European success.
The German and Italian leagues are shit as well. equivalent to our championship... and corrupt to say the least. All champions league teams give United a tough game.. it's their Final in most cases.
Everybody misses Mourinho in UK uh?
How's Italy treating him lately?
Jimenez wasn't his signing but Mancini's, Josè didn't like him in the slightest. Meggiorini, Bonucci and Kerlon didn't get a single cap in an Inter shirt, the former two come from the Inter academy and Bonucci (now at Bari) is one of the most promising Italian defenders. His signings are Muntari, Mancini and Quaresma. Thiago Motta, Milito, Eto'o, Sneijder, Lucio were probably signed by the club but of course he agreed on them.
Has he been that bad for you?
For me not, I wish he could stay 4-5 years more but I'm convinced he will get back to England at the end of this season, it's too early to say, much will depends on the team's achievements.
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