Anyone with a list of transfers he's done whilst at Inter?
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Muntari, Quaresma, off the top of my head. He has gotten Eto'o and Sneidjer too though, but only because Zlatan forced his way out.
Also - Milito, Motta, Lucio, Pandev.
Added to Eto'o (deal of the century) and Sneijder, all pretty damn good signings.
Seems he's signed quite a few 19-21 year olds looking at this (look for players signed in 2009 or 2010): 2009?10 F.C. Internazionale Milano season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Makes a mockery of the myth about him not bothering with youth.
Added to Eto'o (deal of the century) and Sneijder, all pretty damn good signings.
Seems he's signed quite a few 19-21 year olds looking at this (look for players signed in 2009 or 2010): 2009?10 F.C. Internazionale Milano season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Makes a mockery of the myth about him not bothering with youth.
Bizarrely, Mourinho claimed the key to beating Barcelona was relinquishing possession at the Nou Camp.
"We didn't want the ball because when Barcelona press and win the ball back, we lose our position - I never want to lose position on the pitch so I didn't want us to have the ball, we gave it away," he said.
"I told my players that we could let the ball help us win and that we had to be compact, closing spaces," he added.
So we want a Manager who tells his players to lose the ball.
"We didn't want the ball because when Barcelona press and win the ball back, we lose our position - I never want to lose position on the pitch so I didn't want us to have the ball, we gave it away," he said.
"I told my players that we could let the ball help us win and that we had to be compact, closing spaces," he added.
So we want a Manager who tells his players to lose the ball.
Motta, already booked, raised his hand and appeared to push Sergio Busquets in the neck, but the Barca midfielder went down theatrically holding his face and writhed on the ground in apparent agony between glances at the referee.
Motta was disgusted by the player's reaction.
"He always does it, I have seen it on TV and he is holding his face and then looking at the referee - it is terrible behaviour," he said.
It's quite clear Motta has never watched him own team mates, especially Lucio play.
Motta was disgusted by the player's reaction.
"He always does it, I have seen it on TV and he is holding his face and then looking at the referee - it is terrible behaviour," he said.
It's quite clear Motta has never watched him own team mates, especially Lucio play.
Did you really need Mourinho to tell you that? It was quite clear from minute 1 at the San Siro the plan was to let Barca have the ball and hit them with pace on the counter attack. At the Camp Nou Barcelona were constantly forced out wide and reduced to crossing the ball, which is quite laughable when you consider how small their team is, bar Ibrahimovic.
Well the crossing in yesterday was quite ridiculous as it was quite obvious it made no sense. When they started playing around the box they paid dividends with the Pique goal. Should have never started Ibra.
I'd personally love to have Mourinho come in to replace SAF after he retires. However I'm not sure we could count on Mourinho long term. He seems like the kind of guy who can never settle down. He'd win the CL here once, or twice and then want to go somewhere else leaving us up shit creek in a leaking canoe with half a paddle.
Thing is though, at Porto he achieved what no other person had achieved by winning consecutive European Tournaments and winning the league in both his seasons. At Chelsea he became the first manager in 50 years to win the league, then added one another year later. Where it not for Abramovich and his intrustion into first team affairs, he may have stayed longer. Again at Inter, he is most likely about to lead them to their first CL win since 1965, he's the man, he'll be compared to nobody, everybody will be compared to him.
At United that would be completely different. Everything he ever does, will always be compared to Fergie and what he did. You've won 2 in a row Mourinho? Pfft, Fergie won 3 in a row, twice (I may soon be able to say 4
), come back when you've done that. You've won a Champions League? Fergie won two of those as part of a treble and a double. Everything he ever does, unless it's a hell of a lot, will always be compared to Fergie. Mourinho would love to break that, he'd love to surpass Fergie's achievements. Whilst I seriously doubt he would stay anywhere close to 24 years, even half of that I doubt, he'd be here for a long time. One, because he loves England and has repeated his desire to come back, two, it's quite clear to anybody with half a brain cell he is craving this United job, and 3, he's still only 47 and said he'll be managing for another 23 years. He's said he wants to win the title in Spain and manage Portugal before he retires, so even if he stays here 10 years, it still gives him another 13 to do those other things. He'll want to build an empire, leave a legacy like Fergie has done. He'd done all he could at Porto and it was success that couldn't have been sustained for many reasons. He was pushed out at Chelsea and he doesn't like Italy. At the right club, in the right conditions, he'd stay for a long time. United is that club.At 47 he has one of the best CV's in the world. In 3 weeks he could complete a treble and win his second Champions League trophy, and 16th trophy in 10 seasons. He's not finished trophyless since 2002. He's not lost a home league game since 2002. He's won everything there is to win, and he's been successful at every club he's been at.
He's got the CV, the ego, the tactical nous, the charisma, the passion, pretty much everything you want from a Manager. I really can't look beyond Mourinho for the United job
Thing is though, at Porto he achieved what no other person had achieved by winning consecutive European Tournaments and winning the league in both his seasons. At Chelsea he became the first manager in 50 years to win the league, then added one another year later. Where it not for Abramovich and his intrustion into first team affairs, he may have stayed longer. Again at Inter, he is most likely about to lead them to their first CL win since 1965, he's the man, he'll be compared to nobody, everybody will be compared to him.
At United that would be completely different. Everything he ever does, will always be compared to Fergie and what he did. You've won 2 in a row Mourinho? Pfft, Fergie won 3 in a row, twice (I may soon be able to say 4
At 47 he has one of the best CV's in the world. In 3 weeks he could complete a treble and win his second Champions League trophy, and 16th trophy in 10 seasons. He's not finished trophyless since 2002. He's not lost a home league game since 2002. He's won everything there is to win, and he's been successful at every club he's been at.
He's got the CV, the ego, the tactical nous, the charisma, the passion, pretty much everything you want from a Manager. I really can't look beyond Mourinho for the United job
Well summed up.
I'd just like to add that, if he goes to Real and completes his collection before taking over from Sir Alex, there will be nowhere left for him to want to go to.
Does anyone think he likes moving clubs just for the sake of it?
Taking on Sir Alex's legacy will be the ultimate challenge for any manager, and Mourinho is by far the best qualified person to do so.
Thing is though, at Porto he achieved what no other person had achieved by winning consecutive European Tournaments and winning the league in both his seasons. At Chelsea he became the first manager in 50 years to win the league, then added one another year later. Where it not for Abramovich and his intrustion into first team affairs, he may have stayed longer. Again at Inter, he is most likely about to lead them to their first CL win since 1965, he's the man, he'll be compared to nobody, everybody will be compared to him.
At United that would be completely different. Everything he ever does, will always be compared to Fergie and what he did. You've won 2 in a row Mourinho? Pfft, Fergie won 3 in a row, twice (I may soon be able to say 4
At 47 he has one of the best CV's in the world. In 3 weeks he could complete a treble and win his second Champions League trophy, and 16th trophy in 10 seasons. He's not finished trophyless since 2002. He's not lost a home league game since 2002. He's won everything there is to win, and he's been successful at every club he's been at.
He's got the CV, the ego, the tactical nous, the charisma, the passion, pretty much everything you want from a Manager. I really can't look beyond Mourinho for the United job
You may be right, but you're making your argument on something that he has yet to do ;p
If he came to United with the intent of staying long term I would be delighted, I just think the precedent has been set. He likes to move around, try new things and new challenges.
Exactly. His dream would be to go manage Madrid
Cantona was a journeyman before he set foot at Old Trafford. It just showed that a right man on a right time in a right place would go a long way.
Eto'o was part of the deal. Sneijder was bought from Real.
thats fine. I dont see why our next manger has to stay for a gazziion years! The key after SAF is to have someone who can at least be capable and strong enough to sustain our performances whilst we adjust to life after SAF (
). If Mourinho can do that (I think he can), i dont mind if he leaves after a couple of PL's and a Euro title too. Thats fine. We can take Giggs or Ole by then anyway. But I think he would want to stay. Its a perfect match for him and for us.
thats fine. I dont see why our next manger has to stay for a gazziion years! The key after SAF is to have someone who can at least be capable and strong enough to sustain our performances whilst we adjust to life after SAF (
If Mourinho can do that (I think he can), i dont mind if he leaves after a couple of PL's and a Euro title too. Thats fine. We can take Giggs or Ole by then anyway. But I think he would want to stay. Its a perfect match for him and for us.
I like stability and continuity so long as we are successful.
I'd rather bring in a manager who is going to stick with us long term provided he is able to deliver, rather than have someone come in for 4 years win us a couple trophies and then feck off leaving us in a lurch trying to find a replacement.
That is provided he delivers results. All the talk about him not keen to stay longterm, when it could be the club giving him the sack. The patience shown in SAF during the formative years will never be given to subsequent managers who are expected to produce successes instantly.
My distinct impression of Jose is he wants all the 4 major leagues trophies. Then he will settle down at one club. Before trying to retire as a world champions with Portugal.
Nah. Zlatan was willingly sold for the benefit of the team. It was infact a way to thank him for his deeds at Inter.
That's a good point.
As United fans we all like to think that MUFC is unique and special and that anyone who joins the club will feel so blessed to be part of our history that they will spend the best years of their career here. As we recently found out (funnily enough, with another Portugese bloke) that ain't always so.
I was thinking about this whole Fergie succesor thing last night and it struck me that the elephant in the room in all of this is the financial cluster-feck we find ourselves in. I mean, what kind of club will they be managing?
Mourinho has proved he has what it takes to drive a financially dominant club to the league title and has done this in three different leagues now. How did he build these title-winning squads though? I can't say I followed his career at Porto very closely but at Chelsea and Inter he has a record of paying whatever it takes to sign established, big-name footballers, and blending them into the (usually pretty decent) squad he inherited when he took over. I don't know the exact details of his spending at Inter but I can't think of any rabbits he's pulled out of a hat, in terms of picking up bargains. When he was at Chelsea he seemed to focus almost entirely on expensive signings, an awful lot of whom never made the grade (he was almost as bad as Benitez at signing full-backs)
His ability to bring players through from the youth set-up is very much in doubt. Again, I've got a bit of a blind-spot about how many Porto players got their first taste of first-team football under Mourinho but I can't think of a single player at Chelsea who he brought through. He didn't even give any a place on the bench, as far as I can remember.
Products of the Academy aside, I also can't remember him ever signing teenage prodigies while he was at Chelsea and having the patience to take a long-term view of their development (i.e. the equivalent of Fergie signing Ronaldo or Rooney). Maybe he did that Porto? I'd be curious to hear if anyone has any examples. As far as Inter goes, he seems to be doing his damnedest to drive their most exciting young talent (Balotelli) out of the club!
The way I see it, this debt isn't going to go away any time soon and we may need Fergie's succesor to be someone who is adept at running an academy and developing talent from within, as well as looking to sign promising youngsters before their price goes through the roof, with a view to developing them into stars of the future (i.e. our transfer policy for the last two transfer windows) Is Mourinho that person? Or is he someone who flits from club to club, looking for a hefty transfer war chest that he can use to fund short-term, rapid improvement in the first-team squad? (i.e. exactly the type of manager we can't afford right now)
I'm inclined to think he's much more the latter than he is the former. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, though, especially if anyone knows more than I do about the finer details of his career at Porto. Anyone?
Sneidjer and Pandev and Lucio have been bargains. But his transfers are usually terrible and he wastes a shit load of money.
Feck I don't even want him to stay forever. No one can go on for decades like Fergie has. What we need is a character who won't be shitting himself stepping in Fergie's shoes. One who can win trophies and stabilize the club and take it forward once Fergie decides its time.
He can come in stay for a four or five seasons continue from Fergie left and then we'd look out someone else. I'd be over the moon if he decides he can take on Fergie's legacy and churn out team after team. Either ways it has to be him taking over after Ferguson
He can come in stay for a four or five seasons continue from Fergie left and then we'd look out someone else. I'd be over the moon if he decides he can take on Fergie's legacy and churn out team after team. Either ways it has to be him taking over after Ferguson
How much did they cost?
Not relying on youth development is systemic of a short term commitment to a club, as well as immediate expectations.
Fergie has had the luxury of being successful and long tenured at Old Trafford. This means that he can put a long term plan into effect and cultivate youngsters while bringing in established players to ensure success.
Arriving at a new club and needing to deliver the goods immediately is going to force your hand. You can't afford to wait 5 years for a good crop of youth players to come through, you will be shit canned well before that happens. So you need to go out into the market and find players to strengthen your position.
Who knows what Jose would do if he was at the same club for 5, 6 or more years. At this point it is an unknown, however it would be irresponsible for him to overlook that aspect of a club if he does settle in for a long stay. Developing youth players, even if they are squad players is the ultimate "value for money".
Fergie has had the luxury of being successful and long tenured at Old Trafford. This means that he can put a long term plan into effect and cultivate youngsters while bringing in established players to ensure success.
Arriving at a new club and needing to deliver the goods immediately is going to force your hand. You can't afford to wait 5 years for a good crop of youth players to come through, you will be shit canned well before that happens. So you need to go out into the market and find players to strengthen your position.
Who knows what Jose would do if he was at the same club for 5, 6 or more years. At this point it is an unknown, however it would be irresponsible for him to overlook that aspect of a club if he does settle in for a long stay. Developing youth players, even if they are squad players is the ultimate "value for money".
Well, exactly. We know Mourinho is good at this.
What we don't know is whether he's any good at the more long-term stuff, which may well be the only way we can afford to develop our next great team.
Spending shit-loads of cash to buy an off the shelf team takes a very difficult skill-set, as a manager, to growing one of your own without spending huge sums of money. I think we might need to focus on managers with a track-record of being able to do the latter.
Do I think Jose would stick around for 2 decades and change? No. However I'd like to see him remain for the better part of one anyways, again with the stipulation that we are successful and at the very least contending within a couple of points of the title and deep into the CL.
The problem with managerial transition is that it generally creates a period of destabilization as the new manager wants to make his mark on the club. The team Fergie has assembled may not be conducive to the club Jose may wish to run. This means quite possibly significant change. Now if Jose makes some big changes, and then leaves after 4 years and we have to find a lesser manager to take over you're going to end up with a revolving door. Players in and out and that is no guarantee that you will field a consistent side.
Longevity in the manager position provides stability and a coherent long term plan. The best time to change managers is at the end of a cycle allowing a new manager to step in and put his own long term plan into effect.
Dynasties are built around stability in the coaching/managerial role. I like dynasties, therefore I like long term managers ;p
Who knows how long Mourinho could have stayed at Chelsea. He started his fourth season and could have been there more, had some wierd things happened like an owner wanting to dictate transfers (Not the sums available, but the players signed) and bringing in a 'Director of football' like Grant. He could have been there a few years, and I can honestly see him staying at a club like United for quite a few years. He doesn't really like Italian football and while he might harbour a wish to coach in Spain just to complete the trio of big championship wins, he obviously feels a great connection to English football. He appreciates it and its history, which is why I can't see him going for another Chelsea-like club like City.
He'd love to work at United and while I obviously would not take him if he said before hand he'll only be here for a year or two, a long-term appointment of a manager is never assured. You appoint the best you can find and hope it works that way. Not appoint a lesser person, because you think he'll stay longer. If he falls on his arse, he won't anyway.
He'd love to work at United and while I obviously would not take him if he said before hand he'll only be here for a year or two, a long-term appointment of a manager is never assured. You appoint the best you can find and hope it works that way. Not appoint a lesser person, because you think he'll stay longer. If he falls on his arse, he won't anyway.
Porto were never financially dominant and he didn't spend a huge amount. A lot of the key players in that success where already there but, like at Chelsea with Terry and Lampard, he seemed to give them a belief and a confidence and transformed them as players. Deco, Costinha, Carvalho, Baia, Deco and Postiga were already all there, and he also recalled Costa from loan. His signings included Ferreira from his former club (Whom he took to their highest ever league finish of fifth) and Maniche on a free, both key components of that Porto team. So at Porto he didn't spend a huge amount of money, he worked with what he had and took them to unprecedented success, again setting records along the way.
At Chelsea yes, he often did spend big, but so what? If the money is there I see no problem with spending it, I don't know why it's so often used as a stick to beat him with. Some of the key players in that Chelsea side - Carvalho, Essien, Drogba, Malouda, Cole, Kalou were all Mourinho signings. Yes they were signed for big fees, but again if the money is there to spend what exactly is the problem? He's proved at Porto he doesn't have to spend big, And you can be sure that when Fergie leaves he'll leave with the club in the best shape possible to continue their success in the future. You only have to look at some of the youngsters coming through.
At Inter he brought in Lucio for €5m, Quaresma for €18m, Motta for €7.5m, he swapped Eto'o for Ibrahimovic, Sneijder for €15m (Absolute bargain), Milito for €11m as well as bringing in Pandev on a free. So that's about €56m in transfer fees since he joined, bearing in mind they recieved about €40m for Ibrahimovic,not a huge amount and and a very low net spend. Then you look at the youth players he's promoted from the reserves, such as Balotelli (I don't know where you get this 'he's trying to push him out', Balotelli is just a huge cnut who's hard to control), Stefanovic, Santon as well as a few more. So he's certainly building a very good team there.
Then you look at how much our team cost - Vidic £7m, Ferdinand £30m, Evra, £5m, Nani £17m, Valencia £18m, Carrick £18m, Rooney £30m, Berbatov £30m, Anderson £17m, Hargreaves £18m. That's roughly £191m right there. This myth seems to be spreading that Fergie has spent virtually naught building his squad when in fact he's spent a hell of a lot. Yet some criticise Mourinho for spending money. Odd!
Yes but remember there was a huge pressure to succeed at Chelsea, and again Arnesen was brought in to deal with the youth. The one player I can think of who he gave a chance to was Scott Sinclair, there was probably a couple of others aswell. But if Arnesen isn't bringing in quality youth, which he evidently hasn't, hence why Ballack and Deco are constantly persisted with, then there's nothing Mourinho could have done. Bringing through youth takes time, not a couple of years.
Seriously, you have such an agenda against Mourinho that it's pretty much pointless talking to you about him any more.
i don't think jose will ever manage in france or germany
Not sure if this has been posted, so sorry if it has:
Man Utd grooming old boys to take over when Fergie retires
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is being groomed to become Sir Alex Ferguson’s successor at Old Trafford. This news follows recent comments made by United’s 1999 Champions League hero that there is no chance of Sir Alex retiring at the end of the 2010-2011 Premier League season. Following Gary Neville’s decision to put pen to paper on a new one-year deal at Old Trafford, the way has been paved for a management team of Norwegian Solskjaer, with United’s current club captain, Neville as his assistant, to take over the Manchester United reins to when Ferguson comes to retire in 2012.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has been learning the managerial ropes since retiring early through injury, progressing from scouting and ambassadorial missions in Norway to take over United’s reserve team in 2008. Both Ferguson and the United board have been impressed with Solskjaer and the reserve team’s dominance of the Premier Reserve League North in 2010, their first championship in 4 years.
Ferguson will be 70 in 2012 and may well take one final management job of managing Great Britain’s 2012 Olympic team after he steps down at Old Trafford. He has always been keen for one of his own apprentices to take over, but has seen the likes of Steve Bruce and Bryan Robson fail to make the grade, Mark Hughes go off limits with Manchester City and Carlos Quieroz favouring jobs in his homeland. The United board also favour a more cost effective handover of power and with the Glazer family short on funds, the promotion of Solskjaer and Neville is the logical step and one that they hope will go down well with the Old Trafford faithful.
not sure if you can read to much into it anyway especially since Neville recently said he does not see himself going into management.
Man Utd grooming old boys to take over when Fergie retires
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is being groomed to become Sir Alex Ferguson’s successor at Old Trafford. This news follows recent comments made by United’s 1999 Champions League hero that there is no chance of Sir Alex retiring at the end of the 2010-2011 Premier League season. Following Gary Neville’s decision to put pen to paper on a new one-year deal at Old Trafford, the way has been paved for a management team of Norwegian Solskjaer, with United’s current club captain, Neville as his assistant, to take over the Manchester United reins to when Ferguson comes to retire in 2012.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has been learning the managerial ropes since retiring early through injury, progressing from scouting and ambassadorial missions in Norway to take over United’s reserve team in 2008. Both Ferguson and the United board have been impressed with Solskjaer and the reserve team’s dominance of the Premier Reserve League North in 2010, their first championship in 4 years.
Ferguson will be 70 in 2012 and may well take one final management job of managing Great Britain’s 2012 Olympic team after he steps down at Old Trafford. He has always been keen for one of his own apprentices to take over, but has seen the likes of Steve Bruce and Bryan Robson fail to make the grade, Mark Hughes go off limits with Manchester City and Carlos Quieroz favouring jobs in his homeland. The United board also favour a more cost effective handover of power and with the Glazer family short on funds, the promotion of Solskjaer and Neville is the logical step and one that they hope will go down well with the Old Trafford faithful.
not sure if you can read to much into it anyway especially since Neville recently said he does not see himself going into management.
A quote from Bobby Charlton from the Sir Alex at Aberdeen thread
"Terry was a marvellous coach who as a player had represented his country at every level. He was another football man of high profile who commanded attention and the respect of his players. Some of our directors emphasised Venables' confidence, his easy manner in front of the television cameras. He would be more than a football manager. He would be a personality who would refuse to be dominated by all that had happened in the past. "
It seems Mourinho is much like the Venables of that time then.
"Terry was a marvellous coach who as a player had represented his country at every level. He was another football man of high profile who commanded attention and the respect of his players. Some of our directors emphasised Venables' confidence, his easy manner in front of the television cameras. He would be more than a football manager. He would be a personality who would refuse to be dominated by all that had happened in the past. "
It seems Mourinho is much like the Venables of that time then.
Very good post.
Also let's not forget, that many of Fergie's signis that he brought in for big money have failed here big time as well, same goes for about every manager in the world, you just don't have the guarantee that players develop the way you might expect them to, so Pogue's point doesn't stand at all.
What's the source of this article? The idea seems very appealing to me.
On Mourinho I just have to say that anyone watching the game on Wednesday will have seen a 94 minute presentation on why I don't want that man anywhere near my club, regardless of the success he could bring us.
What a bunch of hyprocrites some of you are: so it's ok when we had the huge run of 1-0's last season and won the league, you were jumping around then, any other team though has to keep winning 3-0 or 4-0 to be considered good enough?!Give it a rest: all that really matters at the end of the day is winning and trophies and you can say whatever you want, Mourinho delivers, simple as!
Rather a Jose/OGS management team (Manager/Assistant obviously) with OGS taking over when Jose decides to go...
I like the way you think Paz.
why, thank you
United boss believes 'Special One' got it spot on against Barca
Fergie hails Jose tactics
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Sir Alex Ferguson believes Jose Mourinho got his tactics spot on as his Inter Milan side beat Barcelona 3-2 on aggregate to progress to the UEFA Champions League final.
Inter had to do things the hard way after midfielder Thiago Motta was controversially sent off for aiming a flailing arm into the face of Sergio Busquets after just 28 minutes.
But despite playing with 10 men for more than an hour the Nerazzurri held firm and restricted the holders to long range efforts before Gerard Pique gave the hosts a flicker of hope with a well taken goal in the closing stages.
In the end it wasn't enough and although Barca dominated possession Inter came away from the game having gone largely untroubled throughout.
"They set their stall out very well and I couldn't see them losing the game," Ferguson said.
"(Esteban) Cambiasso filled all the spaces. Inter let Barcelona cross the ball all the time and it was never a problem.
"We faced Barcelona two years ago and they didn't really create any chances against us either.
"I am sure there is a way to play against them."
Fergie hails Jose tactics
Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Manchester United | Fergie hails Jose tactics
Sir Alex Ferguson believes Jose Mourinho got his tactics spot on as his Inter Milan side beat Barcelona 3-2 on aggregate to progress to the UEFA Champions League final.
Inter had to do things the hard way after midfielder Thiago Motta was controversially sent off for aiming a flailing arm into the face of Sergio Busquets after just 28 minutes.
But despite playing with 10 men for more than an hour the Nerazzurri held firm and restricted the holders to long range efforts before Gerard Pique gave the hosts a flicker of hope with a well taken goal in the closing stages.
In the end it wasn't enough and although Barca dominated possession Inter came away from the game having gone largely untroubled throughout.
"They set their stall out very well and I couldn't see them losing the game," Ferguson said.
"(Esteban) Cambiasso filled all the spaces. Inter let Barcelona cross the ball all the time and it was never a problem.
"We faced Barcelona two years ago and they didn't really create any chances against us either.
"I am sure there is a way to play against them."
I see your point, but would you be happy to see Old Trafford potentially staging such 'shit on a stick' type European nights, where a non-footballer manager (Benitez or even Mourinho) dominates the match and spectacle with tactics?
Do you not see any of the arguments against Mourinho?
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