A miss is a miss at the end of the day. Doesn't matter if you hit the woodwork, miss by an inch or hit the corner flag, at the end of the day a miss is a miss and has more to do with the player not hitting the target than luck. In fact it's got feck all to do with luck.
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A miss is a miss at the end of the day. Doesn't matter if you hit the woodwork, miss by an inch or hit the corner flag, at the end of the day a miss is a miss and has more to do with the player not hitting the target than luck. In fact it's got feck all to do with luck.
And time-waste? Did you not watch us against Barcelona? We time-waste in all the big games.
Spot on. Best post of the thread.
I mean it was only a couple of weeks ago we took off our only striker for a defender, at home, against Bayern Munich and where we intended to see out the rest of the game by defending.
That's OK. Mourinho goes to the Camp Nou, defends a 3-1 lead with 10 men and is lambasted by some for ruining the beautiful game
That's OK. Mourinho goes to the Camp Nou, defends a 3-1 lead with 10 men and is lambasted by some for ruining the beautiful game
It's a good post, I do agree - I just don't agree with EdWeatherall. Not at all.
I admire Mourinho's tactics. I admire his man management. I think the fear factor alone would be great -- what do your City or Liverpool mates say about Mourinho coming here? They're all bricking it. Moyes? They're laughing and hoping we'll go for him.
Mourinho will be able to command respect in the dressing room, and he'll scare the shit out of any opposition.
But his silly fake passion for the club he's managing at the moment makes me absolutely sick. I know that shouldn't be held against him as future United manager, but I can't help it.
I've never seen anything as fake in my life. Either he's simply celebrating himself in the most narcissistic manner possible, or he's putting on an act so silly it's beyond belief.
I'm still on the fence about him as our future manager, and I'll certainly try not to hold his idiotic celebrations against him. Just had to add my (childish) view on the matter.
True. And conversely, many of us would be bricking it if he went to the dippers, but not so much if it were Moyes (however unlikely it may seem).
I want Jose to be our next manager, the chances of him being available might be slim when Fergie retires!
My sentiments exactly. Great shout!
That's football mate. All that badge kissing bollocks and the usual predictable pre-scripted schpeel you get in interviews....it's all shite but it's completely rife throughout the sport and is just the way the game is. Simple as. It's extremely rare you actually find true passion for a club in football. We are lucky to be one of the best clubs, i think, at breeding it and i ultimately think that comes from Fergie and will be lost once he leaves.
It's all about winning. He's a winner. That's what he is celebrating.
Absolutely.
I'm on the verge of wanting him here for the fear-factor alone, all else be damned.
Still, I can't pretend I find his so-called 'passion' anything but cringeworthy. It's like Rooney kissing our badge at Goodison -- it's just embarrassing.
He's be perfect for us except for a couple of things.
Firstly he seems a bit nomadic, always looking for new challenges, so I do wonder if he'd stay at one place for anything more than, say, 5 years?
Secondly I'm not sure his style of tactical but highly effective football would reflect our "attacking football" ethos.
Firstly he seems a bit nomadic, always looking for new challenges, so I do wonder if he'd stay at one place for anything more than, say, 5 years?
Secondly I'm not sure his style of tactical but highly effective football would reflect our "attacking football" ethos.
I have found the only problem with I with Mourinho. It's not his ship jumping, or his youth policy. I admire his defensive work and his teams can attack as good as anyone. I like the way he has true passion for his club. He also seems very good at the supposed mind games which people and the media make to much off.
No it's one thing.He doesn't keep dressing room problems in house. In comparison to Fergusons what happens behind closed dooors stays behind closed doors. He has no worries telling the press and anyone who will listen, when players are being prats, or how he punishes them.
Then again, were not going to get another Ferguson, so we may as well have him when the wizard retires.
No it's one thing.He doesn't keep dressing room problems in house. In comparison to Fergusons what happens behind closed dooors stays behind closed doors. He has no worries telling the press and anyone who will listen, when players are being prats, or how he punishes them.
Then again, were not going to get another Ferguson, so we may as well have him when the wizard retires.
No manager in the world is a 'Sure thing' as Fergie's replacement, but Mourinho comes closest. I'm not sure if some of the complaints against him - the style of football, the cheating, the timewasting - are based on people watching his teams week in week out, or just a couple of big games, in which Sir Alex's Manchester United have, on times, been guilty of the same things.
He's not perfect, but he's a damn good manager, he's got great passion (accept it now or not, we'd LOVE IT here), and he's got balls. Which is the most important thing. He's consistently getting results - even at big, rich clubs, it's not guarenteed - and creating great team spirits. Other coaches seem to have good times and bad, like Blanc who no one seems to mention now that his team have had a major breakdown. I'm not even sure anyone who have mentioned Moyes four months ago.
I just can't see past him when the time will come to make a choice. Others will deserve consideration. If we do get Mourinho and it doesn't work out, then we may well go a different route. But if we can get Mourinho, I can't see us saying no. The choice is just too simple.
Who knows what opinions might have been regarding Sir Alex if we had Redcafe in 1986. We could have been saying we don't want a manager who seems to spentdas much time in the stands as he does on the sidelines, because he's always getting in trouble with the referees. Or a manager who after a cup final WIN would amazingly blame his players for playing badly and getting all the joy out of it. No one's perfect, Fergie wasn't. But look at what he can do rather than what he can't, or what you don't like.
He's not perfect, but he's a damn good manager, he's got great passion (accept it now or not, we'd LOVE IT here), and he's got balls. Which is the most important thing. He's consistently getting results - even at big, rich clubs, it's not guarenteed - and creating great team spirits. Other coaches seem to have good times and bad, like Blanc who no one seems to mention now that his team have had a major breakdown. I'm not even sure anyone who have mentioned Moyes four months ago.
I just can't see past him when the time will come to make a choice. Others will deserve consideration. If we do get Mourinho and it doesn't work out, then we may well go a different route. But if we can get Mourinho, I can't see us saying no. The choice is just too simple.
Who knows what opinions might have been regarding Sir Alex if we had Redcafe in 1986. We could have been saying we don't want a manager who seems to spentdas much time in the stands as he does on the sidelines, because he's always getting in trouble with the referees. Or a manager who after a cup final WIN would amazingly blame his players for playing badly and getting all the joy out of it. No one's perfect, Fergie wasn't. But look at what he can do rather than what he can't, or what you don't like.
Would you prefer him to, say, Avram Grant?
Mourinho in charge at OT. Well it certainly wouldnt be dull. Would he continue the success? How wholesale would his changes be? How long would he stay for??
I'd love to find out!
My fav text from last night that just about sums him up: "Jose is one mad mother fecker".
Bring him on
I'd love to find out!
My fav text from last night that just about sums him up: "Jose is one mad mother fecker".
Bring him on
Give me credit as well.Moyes has the personality of a wet fart, I don't want his sour face near our club thanks.
I really don't see the need to argue anymore, there is no doubt in my mind that Mourinho is the best available option to succeed Sir Alex.
The issue of the successor depends on the timing of Ferguson's exit. Thing about Maureen is that I can see him pissing off from Inter in a blaze of glory on May 22nd. I'm pretty sure SAF isn't jacking it in at the end of the season, so clearly Mourinho will be going somewhere else.
Other thing is: why the obsession to replace SAF? The bloke is the best manager in the world, contrary to what the press will tell you about Mourinho. He's said he'll manage for as long as he's in "rude health" - I'm hoping that's another 3 seasons minimum. If it ain't broke...
Other thing is: why the obsession to replace SAF? The bloke is the best manager in the world, contrary to what the press will tell you about Mourinho. He's said he'll manage for as long as he's in "rude health" - I'm hoping that's another 3 seasons minimum. If it ain't broke...
i do kind of wonder if Fergie has already decided when he will leave, and just isn't telling anyone apart from Gill and the Glazers. We saw what happened last time it was announced in advance, so I think it could be a fairly quick announcement when the time does come.
He gets results, no-one can argue about that
Cant believe people voted for Roy Keane or Eric Cantona!
I hope by the time Fergie retires, the Glazers are gone and we hire a young, up and coming manager who has already showed his worth and potential, maybe Blanc
I'd welcome Maureen here no problem at all...he's a winner!
I voted for Blanc but if Cantona or Keano got the job I'd be right behind them, Cantona would get us playing pretty football again.
Blanc's stock has fallen. It was way OTT to be touting him as a Ferguson replacement already, in any case.
I'd hope that whoever got the job we'd all be right behind them, no?
Whithin reason, I think what I mean is that I would never make a big push for those two to get sacked if things were going wrong. I would rather get relegated with Ferguson at the wheel than join in with any chants that suggested he should be sacked. I know that sounds a little extreme but I think quite a few people feel like that about Fergie and other legends at the club. Whereas if Mourinho, O'Neil, Moyes etc got the job and made a hash of it I would be quite willing to participate in "sack the boss".
Fair enough. Your last sentence reminded me that I'd despise O'Neill getting the job and I'd find it very hard to get behind him as I cannot stand him. Obviously I'd hope he was successful but I couldn't bring myself to sing his name or anything.
The quotes last night were that he's staying at Inter for at least another season.
Very true, here's hoping ...
O'Neill is an absurd candidate over Mourinho. They both play fairly unattractive football but one is a Champions League/EPL/Serie A winner who hasn't lost a league home game in six years and the other used to manage Celtic and Leicester.
No love for Hughes, lol.
I think even the most anti-Mourinho poster would agree with that, the only thing I would say is that O'neil's record for bringing on youth blows Jose's out of the water.
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Just goes to show how Mourinho's sustained success for several years with three different clubs - yes, even if two of them have big money - is nothing short of tremendous work. Blanc has done well, but his team has fallen apart in the last couple of months and suddenly he's not so hot anymore.
I don't think anyone wants to replace Fergie. But we know we'll have to one day. We all hope Fergie will still be around when Mourinho himself retires from football, but that's a bit unlikely.
I know that according to what Sir Alex is saying, he could be here for years to come. But we also know how economical he is with the truth when it suits him, and one thing he did learn from 2002 was not to reveal his retirement date in advance. So he may well be saying that and retire in three weeks.
Ok, that I certainly don't forsee, and I actually can't see him making the big decision to retire because I think it will simply be too difficult for him - impossible, maybe - to just end it all, as he loves it so much. But one day it will happen, and it will be abrupt.
I have to admit that I haven't been following this thread, and its much too long to go back through, but I've been thinking about the whole Jose thing quite a lot recently & with the Barca win I really don't see any option but Jose as SAF's replacement (probably after next season). With their win over Barca last night, I'm almost resigned to him taking over from SAF.
I don't think he will play our style of football, but if we want to carry on winning like we have over the past 20 years, then this looks like our only sensible option. I doubt he would stay for more that 3 or 4 seasons but I belive he would bring continued success.
I haven't voted in the poll because TBH I don't really want to see him at United but the other options don't look as good for us. I'd prefer to see Brucie back at OT or Laurent Blanc but I can't see them continuing the legacy and they would need to have won in Europe (Europa League, obviously) to stand a chance.
So, with a heavy heart, Mourinho it has to be...
I don't think he will play our style of football, but if we want to carry on winning like we have over the past 20 years, then this looks like our only sensible option. I doubt he would stay for more that 3 or 4 seasons but I belive he would bring continued success.
I haven't voted in the poll because TBH I don't really want to see him at United but the other options don't look as good for us. I'd prefer to see Brucie back at OT or Laurent Blanc but I can't see them continuing the legacy and they would need to have won in Europe (Europa League, obviously) to stand a chance.
So, with a heavy heart, Mourinho it has to be...
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