Man Utd board warming to Inter Milan boss Mourinho

Who should replace SAF after he retires ?

  • Jose Mourinho

    Votes: 270 58.1%

  • Laurent Blanc

    Votes: 61 13.1%

  • Steve Bruce

    Votes: 8 1.7%

  • Roy Keane

    Votes: 4 0.9%

  • Ole Gunnar Solskjaer

    Votes: 25 5.4%

  • Fabio Capello

    Votes: 10 2.2%

  • Pep Guardiola

    Votes: 8 1.7%

  • Arsene Wenger

    Votes: 5 1.1%

  • Mark Hughes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • David Moyes

    Votes: 17 3.7%

  • Gus Hiddink

    Votes: 9 1.9%

  • Ottmar Hitzfeld

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Eric Cantona

    Votes: 12 2.6%

  • Alec McCleish

    Votes: 1 0.2%

  • Frank Rijkaard

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Mike Phelan

    Votes: 1 0.2%

  • Carlos Quieroz

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Dick Advocaat

    Votes: 4 0.9%

  • Harry Redknapp

    Votes: 1 0.2%

  • Marcello Lippi

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Martin O'Neill

    Votes: 19 4.1%
  • Total voters
    465
  • Poll closed .
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Tumbling-Dice said:
Do you not recognise the difference between Everton's budget and ours ?
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Of course i do, that’s not the point, the point is Moyes has not accomplished anything of major recognition that should stand him in distinction for this positon, winning major titles would surely be on any potential managers CV for this job…..hes done a good job at Everton, well thats great fair fecks to him, but his ’achievements’ there have absolutely no relevance to the priorities a club like Manchester United have., which i don’t have to tell you are vastly different to a club like Everton, vastly different expectations, vastly different pressures, all things no one has a clue whether Moyes can handle.

Theres to many 'he might be able to he might not' question marks with the likes of Moyes and Co, hiring someone like him is a gamble, and i don’t think were going to be in a position to gamble when Sir Alex goes, with the financial situation at the club were going to need someone to slot in and keep us up there, steady the ship and keeps us challenging, Mourinhio will, moyes might do, ones not a gamble one is.

Why gamble when theres no need?
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
I thought you were going to bed sweetheart.

Couldn't see Mourinho giving the likes of Gosling 17 league appearences, up until his injury in March.
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mourinho would give the likes of rooney and ronaldo match time though. yes, the average youngster will probably have a tougher time breaking through, but superstar youth will have no issues with mourinho IMO. He has given good chances to santon and balotelli and even the likes of khrin.
 
Its a hell of alot easier to throw youngsters in and give them a go at a club like Everton where theres no huge pressure or expectation lets be clear about this, now if your at a club like United and your expected to win every game and every major title on offer its not quite so easy to give a kid a a free run and see how it goes, your very future at europes top table could hinge on such moves, it could cost you your expectations.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
I'm still waiting for those 5 youth players brought through by Maureen?

Come on, even Phelan's Shorts had a go...

And don't answer my question with one of your own - very bad form...
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When has he had the time to bring through youth?

And how many youth players had Fergie brought through in his first 3 years at United?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
I'm still waiting for those 5 youth players brought through by Maureen?

Come on, even Phelan's Shorts had a go...

And don't answer my question with one of your own - very bad form...
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What about my post where I said none, and that the youth set up factor won't be the determining factor in the next manager because there aren't any managers with Fergie's tenure, or at least enough time to develop a youth setup.
 
esmufc10 said:
When has he had the time to bring through youth?

And how many youth players had Fergie brought through in his first 3 years at United?
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Dont expect an answer on that one, ive asked him that twice already and surprise surprise it joins the other half a dozen questions hes no response to.......give it a day and he'll claim he never saw it.....as you do.

2 anti Mourinhio criticisms:

He hasn’t brought through enough youth
He hasnt stayed at a club long enough

One of course cancels out the other, but not in a spastics mind.....
 
Mourinho would be the perfect interim manager. Then we can try and get our own Translator.
 
Also, Frank Arnesen was brought in to develop the youth, Mourinho was there to manage the first team. Didn't help that Arnesen did an atrocious job.
 
esmufc10 said:
When has he had the time to bring through youth?

And how many youth players had Fergie brought through in his first 3 years at United?
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But that isn't the point. The point is that, for whatever reason, Mourinho's CV has a great gaping bloody hole when it comes to developing youth talent. I've a nagging fear he won't be any better at it than Benitez (significantly, another failed player) has been at Liverpool.

Allforone said:
Dont expect an answer on that one, ive asked him that twice already and surprise surprise it joins the other half a dozen questions hes no response to.......give it a day and he'll claim he never saw it.....as you do.

2 anti Mourinhio criticisms:

He hasn’t brought through enough youth
He hasnt stayed at a club long enough

One of course cancels out the other, but not in a spastics mind.....
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And you would know.

Again, it's not important why he's not worked with youth players, it's important that he hasn't full stop. As Tumbling-Dice pointed out, this is 'the thing our whole club and it's ethos is built on'. Why would we hand over control of our club to a man with a non-existent track record at developing young players?

Is this of no importance to you lot, in comparison with your all-consuming need to 'carry on winning'?
 
Raoul said:
What about my post where I said none, and that the youth set up factor won't be the determining factor in the next manager because there aren't any managers with Fergie's tenure, or at least enough time to develop a youth setup.
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How long has Guardiola managed Barca? That team tonight was full of young players he's bringing though...
 
Allforone said:
Of course i do, that’s not the point, the point is Moyes has not accomplished anything of major recognition that should stand him in distinction for this positon, winning major titles would surely be on any potential managers CV for this job…..hes done a good job at Everton, well thats great fair fecks to him, but his ’achievements’ there have absolutely no relevance to the priorities a club like Manchester United have., which i don’t have to tell you are vastly different to a club like Everton, vastly different expectations, vastly different pressures, all things no one has a clue whether Moyes can handle.

Theres to many 'he might be able to he might not' question marks with the likes of Moyes and Co, hiring someone like him is a gamble, and i don’t think were going to be in a position to gamble when Sir Alex goes, with the financial situation at the club were going to need someone to slot in and keep us up there, steady the ship and keeps us challenging, Mourinhio will, moyes might do, ones not a gamble one is.

Why gamble when theres no need?
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There's an element of gamble with all signings, players and managers alike. How many people thought Berbatov, 30 goals a season at Spurs, £30+ million would barely manage 21 league goals in two seasons ?

Who'd have thought Scolari would have been so shite for Chelsea ?

That Porto side shouldn't have been anywhere near a European final in 04, Inter are in the final this year thanks to an offside goal - without that offside goal it would be Barca there on away goals, feck knows how Ibrahimovic didn't get a penalty in the 1st half with his shirt ripped off his back. Mourhino's success at Chelsea was based on spending an absolute fortune tweaking what was an already good Ranieri side. Who's to say he'll guaruntee success at United ? He's had a lot of luck in his career so far, it's going to run out on him one day.

Short term, Mourinho, maybe, but prepare for some shite football to go with your trophies and that's if his luck continues. Long term, Moyes is a good option. I can see him staying at the club a long time and continuing the United ethos of bringing through talent.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
How long has Guardiola managed Barca? That team tonight was full of young players he's bringing though...
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Barcelona has more youth on its books than half the premiership. They have been using the same youth policy now for 20 plus years. When Ferguson leaves were not going to suddenly end our youth system and see what the new manager wants. It will carry on regardless.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
How long has Guardiola managed Barca? That team tonight was full of young players he's bringing though...
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Really?

The only two real 'young players' that Guardiola is bringing through on that pitch tonight were Jeffren and Bojan. Both of whom made there debut's a long time before Guardiola took over.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
How do you always manage to get the wrong end of the stick?

I was responding to Raoul's point that most managers nowadays don't have the time to bring through youth...
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I'm bored of you now. We're obviously not going to agree so I think it's best to leave it there.

Mourinho:

Porto
Portuguese Liga (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Portuguese Cup (1): 2002–03
Portuguese SuperCup (1): 2003
UEFA Cup (1): 2002–03
UEFA Champions League (1): 2003–04

Chelsea
FA Premier League (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup (1): 2006–07
League Cup (2): 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield (1): 2005

Internazionale
Serie A (1): 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2008

Moyes:

Preston North End
Football League Second Division
Champions – 1999–2000


But wait! Moyes brought through Rooney, Gosling and Rodwell!
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Again, it's not important why he's not worked with youth players, it's important that he hasn't full stop.
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fecking nora! I was actually interested in this thread before you piped up!

That is the most retarded thing i have read on here all day....and that's saying something! Of course the reason why is important....they are directly related! He hasn't been at the club long enough to be greatly successful in bringing through youth (although Santon & Baloteli are definitely to be considerd quality youth players) so how can he be expected to??

And, as some are trying to drill into your skull, if you were to compare Jose's spell at Inter with Fergie's first years with us then you would see a similar outcome.

Is it really that hard for you to get??
 
esmufc10 said:
I'm bored of you now. We're obviously not going to agree so I think it's best to leave it there.

Mourinho:

Porto
Portuguese Liga (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Portuguese Cup (1): 2002–03
Portuguese SuperCup (1): 2003
UEFA Cup (1): 2002–03
UEFA Champions League (1): 2003–04

Chelsea
FA Premier League (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup (1): 2006–07
League Cup (2): 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield (1): 2005

Internazionale
Serie A (1): 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2008

Moyes:

Preston North End
Football League Second Division
Champions – 1999–2000


But wait! Moyes brought through Rooney, Gosling and Rodwell!
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Wow

That is impressive
 
Brocky In Black said:
fecking nora! I was actually interested in this thread before you piped up!

That is the most retarded thing i have read on here all day....and that's saying something! Of course the reason why is important....they are directly related! He hasn't been at the club long enough to be greatly successful in bringing through youth (although Santon & Baloteli are definitely to be considerd quality youth players) so how can he be expected to??

And, as some are trying to drill into your skull, if you were to compare Jose's spell at Inter with Fergie's first years with us then you would see a similar outcome.

Is it really that hard for you to get??
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Yes, he is blatantly ignoring that. If Mourinho spends 5/6/7/8/9/10 years at a club it's preposterous to say he wouldn't bring through youth, of course he would! Put simply, he's just not been at a club long enough to have brought the the youth players he'd have probably liked to.
 
esmufc10 said:
And let's be honest, Fergie has made Rooney into the player he is, not Moyes. And gimp could have saw the potential in Rooney.
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You could also say that any gimp could have turned Rooney into a world class player, I mean he was fecking brilliant at 16 how hard can it have been?

But I get the point, and wanting Moyes over Mourinho is madness and if we'd did I'd expect we'd look like Barcelona did tonight against a lot worse teams than Inter.
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
Cheated his way to the UEFA cup in 03.

Lucked his way to the CL in 04.

Spent a fortune at Chelsea tweaking what was already a good Ranieri side.
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The only bit of luck Mourinho had in that 'fluked' CL win which has become such a cliche is the game at Old Trafford when Scholes had a goal wrongly disallowed and Howard fumbled the ball in the last minute allowing Costinha to score.

Other than that they beat Lyon (Much a better side than they are now) by 2 goals, they beat Deportivo and Monaco, and they beat us at their place. This myth that he fluked the Champions League is exactly that, a myth. He had a bit of luck in one game, no more than we did in the finals in 1999 and 2008 when Bayern and Chelsea kept hitting the crossbar and where we were outclassed for large parts.

Didn't cheat his way to the UEFA Cup either, beat Denizilspor 8-3 on aggregate, Panathinaikos 2-1, Lazio 4-1 and O' Neill's Celtic 3-2. Granted the final wasn't a pretty game to watch, but then that's the Portugese for you, it's what they're brought up to do, hence why Fergie had his work cut out with Ronaldo and Nani.
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
Cheated his way to the UEFA cup in 03.

Lucked his way to the CL in 04.

Spent a fortune at Chelsea tweaking what was already a good Ranieri side.
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I take it Fergie lucked his way to two CL's aswell then? :rolleyes:
 
And when does any side win the Champions League by absolutely slamming every side they beat. I really can't think of a Champions League winner who's managed that. They all have a 'lucky' win somewhere along the line.
 
Myxomatosis said:
And when does any side win the Champions League by absolutely slamming every side they beat. I really can't think of a Champions League winner who's managed that. They all have a 'lucky' win somewhere along the line.
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We would have been that team in 2008, but then we were a bit lucky in the final. What about our 1999 win, can't remember any lucky wins from there?
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
We would have been that team in 2008, but then we were a bit lucky in the final. What about our 1999 win, can't remember any lucky wins from there?
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The final itself we were crap and stole it at the death. Unless you were joking.
 
Raoul said:
He's won wherever he's managed, which is irrefutable.
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It is.

If you enjoy the way he has done it, good luck, it goes completely against the ethos of Man United to cheat, feign injury, dive and time-waste our way to success. Of course there is an element of it at all levels of the game nowadays but Mourinho's sides really are something else.
 
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