Apart from the Champions league with Porto, Mourinho has been heavily favorites to win every trophy he's won. And apart from this season where a dodgy handball has helped him to the final (as dodgy decisions helped Porto) he's been woeful in the champions leauge.
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I think Moyes would be an outstanding manager with man managment skills to match anyone if he became manager of United and Mourinho probably wont be available to select for us when the day comes so Moyes is probably more likely to get the gig! But you would definitely worry about Moyes lack of European experience!
So for Mourinho to succeed as a top class manager, he has to bring through loads of kids ala Wenger?
No. It's not always the most obvious choice that makes he best appointment. Just because a manager has yet to win a major trophy doesn't lessen his achievements in the job he is doing or mean he us any less skilled or suited to the job. There are many factors, and every manager needs to be given a chance to test himself, like Mourinho was once at Porto.
To be so dismissive is arrogant and flawed as no one knows who will be the best fit.
57% of the Caf agree with me anyway, that's enough for me.
I'm off to bed to dream about Mourinho in charge of my beloved United one day
Goodnight x
I'm off to bed to dream about Mourinho in charge of my beloved United one day
Goodnight x
Dear God. Either you're trolling, or you're a fecking idiot. I'm out of this thread, I can't waste my time with this shit. Later!
I can't think of any to be honest - mainly because he hasn't stayed with any of his clubs long enough to do it, which can't be considered a disqualifying factor given that none of the other candidates have done it AND won the trophies that he has.
Look up Moyes' record. And like I said, he is up against United, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool, with the budget that he has. He hasn't done badly either. You're really discrediting him for no reason.
At least you're not being a prat like Plan M.
Look up raoul's question.
Edited. Although there was no question in that post that I could see.
Bingo - you're here proposing a future manager for United and you can't name a single youth player he's brought through.
With that in mind, how is he appropriate for United?
Unfortunately, I can all too easily imagine him having the same effect on young players as Benitez does on them at Liverpool...
What may seem like arrogance and dismissiveness to you, is simple logic to the majority. Ultimately, Football is a business where winning matters both to fans as well as the club itself. History doesn't favor mediocrity over excellence.
Quite simply because its not the defining factor. The defining factor is his managerial CV. Not having managed a club side for 25 years as Fergie has will not disqualify anyone. Its what they've actually accomplished that will separate the men from the boys.
Winning with a certain style matters to me, personally, actually. I'm not talking about the style of play here, but how we get the success. Throughout our history, we've had a great youth setup, have given youngsters many chances to impress, and have emplyed an attacking style of play, and we've built upon that. Mourinho brings neither to the table.
I'd rather have not have great success with City's/Chelsea's style, and have it our way, even if we don't win everything there is to win every year.
In which way is it logical to dismiss Moyes as a potential United manager purely on the fact he hasn't won the Premier League at bust Everton?
Yep, fantastic logic there.
By the way, what do you make of the repeated reports in the press that Alex Ferguson favours Moyes as his successor?
True and true to be fair.
Although 5 youth players can I have a go?
1.Scott Sinclair
2.Michael Mancienne
3.Francesco Bolzoni
4.Davide Santon
5.Mario Balotelli
plus the likes of costinha at Porto can't be forgotten.
And accomplishment = winning for you?
So, basically, you attach no importance to our youth team set up?
Manchester United is wasted on some of you lot...
Come on now, other than Balotelli, who wasn't even bought up at Inter, and who is a fecking idiot of the highest order, there is no player in that list who ever can say - "Wow, I saw him play!" - about. And I doubt they will grow up to be those players.
That was actually quite funny
Absolutely. Not only has he not won it, he hasn't come remotely close.
As with 99% of the articles published, its probably the press making things up to sell papers. Fergie may also like Alec McLeish or Ottmar Hitzfeld.
Nope, Fergie even wanted him as his deputy a few years ago, Moyes revealed that recently.
Baldwin Legend is making a good case for not hiring Maureen
Santon is an excellent young player, bolzoni could easily be at some point if he starts thinking things through, mancienne could be a handy player as could Sinclair.
At worst there even with dan gosling, brought up by Plymouth too might I add.
This is turning into a pointless circular argument. We ALL want us to continue to be succesful, however as I keep saying, no appointment will guarantee success.
Aye, if those are his gems, I'd hate to see him here.
On the contrary, its obviously been a big part of our continued success, but its illogical to expect the next manager to have both the longevity required to have amassed a CV on running a youth set up AND the necessary CV of proving that he's capable of winning the league and CL. The latter is that will be the defining characteristic of who gets hired (imo).
Are you for real? You're holding Moyes' 'failure' to win the PL while at Everton against him? Seriously? Christ...
So santon and balotelli aren't excellent young footballers I take it? Despite balotelli being spoken of to go to the world cup and santon making ronaldo look poor last season?
Only within the context that some are actually proposing him to manage Man United. For me, he's a good mid table manager, managing a mid table side. Nothing more.
And could he reasonably be expected to with Everton?
In the tradition of bringing through our youth players at United, Moyes would make a better choice as manager.
Could you see Mourinho staying at the club more than a few years and becoming part of the ethos and tradition at United ?
I can't.
Could you see Mourinho staying at the club more than a few years and becoming part of the ethos and tradition at United ?
I can't.
i can, if he goes and wins la liga first.
I think phelan's shorts is doing an equally good job of that too.
Well you made a fantastic case for him in the other thread...
Hutton made Ronaldo look average at best in Ronaldo's career's best ever season. It doesn't mean that much. And no, Balotelli isn't an "exciting" young footballer. He's good, but he's really over-rated, and he's a whiner, disrespectful to his manager, team-mates, fans, and club, and there is no way in hell he's going to the WC. SAF said Welbeck would be on the plane to South Africa, I really wouldn't read too much in to that.
Utter rubbish. Sorry - it's pure arrogance, or ignorance, to dismiss Moyes as a 'good mid table manager. Nothing more'...
For a start, he's got a side with one of the lowest budgets in the League into the top 4...
I think I've reached the point of giving up with you...
Not at all, but then again neither could Mourinho have been expected to win the CL at Porto. For me, that sort of overachievment is what separates him from the rest of the candidates in the poll.
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