Man United appoint Moyes | Round, Woods, Lumsden, P Neville in; Giggs player/coach; Albert stays

On tour with Manchester United, David Moyes is ready to write next chapter at Old Trafford using some of his predecessor's techniques
The hairdryer: turns out that it wasn’t decommissioned when Sir Alex Ferguson retired. It simply received a new motor.

“I’ve done it already, in training,” says David Moyes, referring to his loss of temper. He’s enjoying lunch in Bangkok — satay, dim sum, stir-fried beef, steamed banana cake — but his glint says that reliving the moment he showed Manchester United’s players he means business is savoured even more than the food.

“I told the players to get their finger out and give a bit more. I’ve no problem with that. It was to let them know, ‘This is what’s going on’.”
Moyes smiles. “Good coaches see what players need. Top players see it. I’ve seen Ryan [Giggs] pull one or two of them and Rio [Ferdinand] say to some, ‘Come on, you have to do better, settle down a bit’.”

Moyes’ own rant — and he does fury as well as Sir Alex Ferguson — was uncontrived. “It was me saying, ‘Get yourself going’.”
How do you take charge of a squad of super-rich, multimedalled stars when you’re a youngish boss without anything beyond a third-tier title and try to command the squad like Fergie? With the same quality that makes you grin and say “yes” when asked if you relish the prospect of battle against Jose Mourinho, mind games, sparks and all.

“When you’re a boy from Glasgow you are quite gallus,” Moyes says. The word describes someone who has swagger and streetwise chutzpah. “It means you’ve been through a lot in your time. I look forward to [challenging Mourinho]. I admire Jose and think he has been exceptional.

“Listen, this is a challenge to me, it’s a whole new environment, new level, new standard, so I’ll do everything to step up to the plate. But I think I’m equipped. Hopefully I’ll deal with it.”


He is certainly dealing with his first crisis boldly. Wayne Rooney, unsettled, unpopular after Ferguson said he had requested a transfer before the end of last season, a target for Mourinho’s Chelsea, wants United to resolve his situation — now. Rooney expects the club to back him with a new contract and support his denial of Ferguson’s claim. Or let him make a fresh start elsewhere. Approaching 28, with two years left on his deal, he doesn’t want to wait.

Moyes, while assuring Rooney he is valued in two heart-to-heart meetings, makes clear he will have to wait. The manager wants to work with players before making any big decisions on their futures. Rooney is not for sale but neither are United currently planning extension talks; the call on whether he’s staying or going is likely to come next summer. In the meantime, “knuckle down” is Moyes’ message.

“I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to get as many goals as we possibly can,” Moyes says. He at least agrees with Rooney that his best role is as a central attacker. “I think Wayne can play up-top, he can play dropped in. Overall my thought on Wayne is that if for any reason we had an injury to Robin [van Persie] we’re going to need him. I want to be able to play the two of them. I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck, Chicharito as well. We need to see how it works. Maybe in a year’s time we might have to look at something else. The first year, I think I have to get a chance to see [the players] and how best to use them.

“It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That’s a challenge I want to take on,” Moyes says. “But I’ve also got to make sure we don’t just concentrate on him. Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney. Manchester United is about the team, the club. What I won’t allow is Wayne Rooney to become more important than the football club.”

Rooney’s conditioning and attitude had impressed and his departure from the tour with hamstring trouble was frustrating. Van Persie will join for United’s next game, in Sydney, and the prospect of working with the Dutchman clearly excites Moyes. “We sat and watched the DVD of the 2012-13 season and the array of goals, the amount United scored and all the players who could, was the big thing.
“Probably what won the league was the goalscorers, Robin especially. There are other areas of the team I want to strengthen but in the forward areas we’re not too bad.”

He inherited transfer plans drafted by Ferguson and the chief scout, Jim Lawlor, which fit his own thoughts. He wants two major midfield signings: “We are short there and will look to strengthen.” Thiago Alcantara is a target, though not Moyes’ main one. He believes several Everton players could step up but does not envisage upping the £12m offer his former club rejected for Leighton Baines.

“We’re working hard to get the first transfer in and to make sure it’s the right one. I’ve been left a really good team and I want to add to it sensibly,” says Moyes, who is only “looking at [signing] the best players. It’s a tough market out there and Paris Saint-Germain have increased that. Some of the Russian clubs also. There’s probably a group of elite players who choose between six or seven destinations and it’s hard to agree a price to get them.”

Ferguson’s policy of mainly younger signings will continue. “I’m not going to take the focus away from trying to sign good players who are hungry and thinking of climbing the ladder.”
Moyes will back the emerging talents Ferguson did. Of David de Gea he says: “Sir Alex had the foresight to get a younger keeper in, he’s doing really well.” On Phil Jones: “Phil will develop as a centre- half. I’ll enjoy working with him. I tried to sign Phil [for Everton]. I also tried to sign Michael Carrick when he was at West Ham. Small world.”

Moyes was appointed, on Ferguson’s say, as the continuity candidate. His is a delicate task. “There’s a balancing act for me not to change things but yet move them on a little bit. What can I do? What do I not need to do? There’s the uncomfortable bit. It’s not a case of me having to say, ‘This is terrible, I have to change that’. This is a machine that works and there are a lot of things I have to learn about it. But the players have a new manager and they’re still ... ‘What is it you do?’ So it’s a case of getting that balance.”

He’s been delving into living encyclopaedias of Unitedology. “I sat with Rio for a long time on the plane. Ryan has been great for me, with what works and what happens here. Phil Neville as well. I’m just getting to know Patrice [Evra — whom he does not intend to sell even if Baines arrives].” Before starting, Moyes spent time with the club captain, Nemanja Vidic (absent from the tour with sciatica) in Serbia.

First impressions of the squad? “Professionalism. How committed they are to training. Incredibly competitive. A winning habit in a small game or possession game. There’s a will to win, I can see it right through the club. The players are comfortable as winners. Training is fierce. The technical level is something. There are good players at Everton but here it’s excellent. I’ve been wowed by Ryan’s ability.”

Moyes wants to learn to delegate better (a great Ferguson skill) but will remain hands-on with training and scouting. He admits, hairdryer or not, he won’t have Ferguson’s authority until he wins like him. In the Premier League he expects rival title challenges not just from Manchester City and Chelsea but Tottenham and Arsenal. “The competition could be more unpredictable, new managers, new staffs,” he says. He sees the Champions League as even more open. “PSG are challenging. Juventus are coming back. Real Madrid. Barcelona. Dortmund. A couple of years ago it was United and Chelsea. It’s not simply Bayern Munich. It could be a surprise.”

Before eating, Moyes had regaled the table about Ally McCoist. They were roommates on Scotland youth duty. Before a Celtic v St Johnstone game, where he was due to mark his pal, Moyes was woken early in the morning at his parents’ house by the telephone. It was McCoist: “Are you ready for me?” That’s the question a giant club pose their first new manager in 27 years. Moyes, still gallus, seems ready.
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http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/football/Premiership/article1287316.ece
 
Good read.
"Thiago Alcantara is a target, though not Moyes’ main one" is a stark contrast to "It's Thiago or no-one" but hey, we must move on. It's nice to see he's getting to know the senior players, they'll be important in the transitional period, the younger lads will look up to them. Glad to hear Evra is staying, but then why do we need to spunk £12+ on Baines? I disagree that 'several Everton players could step up' though.
 
'We need to see how it works. Maybe in a year’s time we might have to look at something else. The first year, I think I have to get a chance to see [the players] and how best to use them.'

Thats why you keep part of Fergie's staff to shorten this learning curve. Succession planning isn't about total top management changes.
 
Don't say there is nothing to discuss regarding how we have handle things this last two weeks.

My personal opinion is that we could have done things better.
 
Mersault said:
Will we now also sign German players?
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With this 'Bayern Munich model' we seem to be looking towards, with our former greats involved with the club - I would like to see David Beckham involved in some capacity if possible. I don't know if he has coaching qualifications, but the fact is, despite all of his media profile, he is still a United great and was a top player for us who understands the traditions of it.

If even in an ambassadorial capacity, similarly to how Madrid play their Zidane card to seduce youngsters, I'd like to think David Beckham could have a similar impact on prospective youngsters. He is probably still the biggest name in football, and is an excellent professional, not just some playboy. Having him show a young player around the stadium may be more effective than Gary Neville doing it! I just think he's an asset we could use.

In 10 years we could feasibly have Beckham and Ronaldo as former greats still involved with us.
 
Rozay said:
With this 'Bayern Munich model' we seem to be looking towards, with our former greats involved with the club - I would like to see David Beckham involved in some capacity if possible. I don't know if he has coaching qualifications, but the fact is, despite all of his media profile, he is still a United great and was a top player for us who understands the traditions of it.

If even in an ambassadorial capacity, similarly to how Madrid play their Zidane card to seduce youngsters, I'd like to think David Beckham could have a similar impact on prospective youngsters. He is probably still the biggest name in football, and is an excellent professional, not just some playboy. Having him show a young player around the stadium may be more effective than Gary Neville doing it! I just think he's an asset we could use.

In 10 years we could feasibly have Beckham and Ronaldo as former greats still involved with us.
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Beckham would be a great ambassador for the club but I'd imagine his next move is something to do with his academy (is that still going?) or as an ambassador for the FA. It'd be nice if he got a seat in the FA and started getting shit sorted instead of the dinosaurs fecking around like they have been for the last 50 years.
 
Pexbo said:
Beckham would be a great ambassador for the club but I'd imagine his next move is something to do with his academy (is that still going?) or as an ambassador for the FA. It'd be nice if he got a seat in the FA and started getting shit sorted instead of the dinosaurs fecking around like they have been for the last 50 years.
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Yea, I don't doubt he's got other plans tbh. A shame we couldn't use his brand though.
 
NinjaFletch said:
'Bayern Munich model' :lol:

It's absolute drivel.
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Call it what you like, but perhaps you should do your research given that is how it was described by those who are involved in the implementation of such a model at United.
 
Man-United said:
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/football...heijen-slams-man-utd-over-moyes-appointment/#

Former Wales assistant coach Raymond Verheijen has slammed the appointment of David Moyes as new Manchester United manager.

He tweeted:

"The dinosaur of all dinosaurs get a 6 year (!) contract to manage one of the biggest clubs in the world. Only possible in Jurassic Park."
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He's at it again:

Raymond Verheijen ‏@raymondverheije
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In Sydney Moyes said: We've over-trained Robin this week to build up his fitness'. Tonight he picked up muscle injury http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/07/19/manchester-rooney-van-persie-david-moyes-idINDEE96I04Z20130719…
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It really makes you wonder how these pre-historic training methods can still take place at the highest level. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3349/pre-season/2013/07/23/4137825/moyes-sweats-on-van-persie-and-welbeck-fitness…
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The only way to solve this problem in Jurassic Park is to improve education of these dinosaur coaches, fitness clowns & scientific cowboys.
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Raymond Verheijen ‏@raymondverheije
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But as long as most dinosaurs are still in denial & ignore how things develop in other countries, nothing will ever change in Jurassic Park.
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Raymond Verheijen ‏@raymondverheije
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Obviously, players like RVP should learn to protect themselves better against 'overtraining' & 'punishing training' http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=2138066.html…
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Hopefully, next generation coaches who do want to make a change in Jurassic Park will get a bigger podium so we get rid of old boys network.
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More tweets here: https://twitter.com/raymondverheije
 
Pexbo said:
Beckham would be a great ambassador for the club but I'd imagine his next move is something to do with his academy (is that still going?) or as an ambassador for the FA. It'd be nice if he got a seat in the FA and started getting shit sorted instead of the dinosaurs fecking around like they have been for the last 50 years.
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Wasn't he on about his MLS franchise plans to Sky the other day?
 
Probably wasn't worthy of its own thread:

Robin van Persie's pre-season injury niggle is down to 'dinosaur coaching' methods, says Dutch fitness expert

David Moyes’s pre-season handling of Robin van Persie has been called into question by a Dutch fitness specialist who has worked with several leading clubs and was assistant to the late Wales manager Gary Speed.

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Van Persie was withdrawn at half-time during United’s friendly in Japan on Tuesday because he had experienced tightness in a thigh.​
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Moyes said the substitution was precautionary and that he expected the striker to be fine, but the new Manchester United manager was still subjected to stinging criticism from Raymond Verheijen, who has worked with Barcelona, Chelsea and Manchester City among others and has a reputation for being outspoken.​
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Writing on his Twitter account, Verheijin noted that Moyes had previously said United had ‘overtrained’ Van Persie at the start of pre-season.​
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He wrote: “In Sydney Moyes said: ‘We’ve overtrained Robin this week to build up his fitness’. [In Japan] he picked up muscle injury. It really makes you wonder how these prehistoric training methods can still take place at the highest level.​
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"The only way to solve this problem in Jurassic Park is to improve education of these dinosaur coaches, fitness clowns & scientific cowboys.​
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"All over the world in pre-season you see the pattern ‘overtraining-fatigue-injuries’. Always avoid accumulation of fatigue in pre-season.​
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"But as long as most dinosaurs are still in denial & ignore how things develop in other countries, nothing will ever change in Jurassic Park. Obviously, players like RVP should learn to protect themselves better against ‘overtraining’ & ‘punishing training’.”​
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Moyes admits he will be forced to rely on Ryan Giggs to guide him through the early stages of United’s Champions League campaign after admitting he has much to learn about the competition.​
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Moyes, who suffered a 4-2 aggregate defeat with Everton against Villarreal in the 2005-06 qualifying stages, will experience the Champions League proper for the first time as a manager when United begin their group stage fixtures in September.​
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Having taken charge of Everton on 26 occasions in Europe, Moyes was unable to go beyond the last 16 of the Uefa Cup or Europa League, but he takes charge of United with the club aiming to build a squad capable of winning the European Cup for a fourth time.​
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But while conceding that he will go into the Champions League as a relative rookie this season, Moyes believes that player-coach Giggs, who has more than 150 European appearances to his name, will be a crucial sounding board during the group stages.​
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“For me, the Champions League will be a thrill, but I’m going to have to learn a lot quickly,” Moyes said. “That’s where I’m looking to the likes of Ryan Giggs and a few players around me for the things which I need to be told about.​
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“It’s not all about the playing side of it – I’ve been in the Champions League [qualifiers], watched loads of games and managed in the Europa League – everybody has to start somewhere.”​
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With efforts continuing at United to lure Barcelona midfielder Cesc Fabregas to Old Trafford, Moyes, in Osaka ahead of Friday’s friendly in Japan, remains hopeful of adding to the squad he inherited from Sir Alex Ferguson before the start of the season.​
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But having admitted that he must win a trophy quickly, Moyes is determined to add to the club’s history of success in Europe.​
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“The history of this club is immersed in Europe and I think to win one of the big European tournaments would always been seen as something special,” Moyes said.​
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“Winning your own domestic league is very important, but winning the Champions League has become very important, for the country and Premier League as well.​
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“I think the year when Manchester United and Chelsea played in the final, everyone connected to football in this country stuck their chest out.​
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“It was the German teams this year, in the past it’s been the Spanish teams. I genuinely think there’s a swell of pride from our country that we want the British teams to do really well.​
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“But I’ve got to say I’m really looking forward to it and hopefully we can do well this season and I do think it’s a much more open competition than it has been in the past.​
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“Even from the draw – if you don’t get a particularly good draw it can become a struggle whichever part of the world you’re playing in now.”​
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...aching-methods-says-Dutch-fitness-expert.html
 
I'll take that. I'm sure SAF once jokingly referred to himself as a dinosaur.
 
Hasn't this guy slagged off a few clubs/people on his Twitter over the years? Sounds like a bit of a dick.
 
Just to adda bit more, the chief sports writer for the Times or Mail (I can't remember which) was on TalkSport this morning stating he chose not to use these quotes or run this story because he doesn't believe this guy is credible in any way.
 
Precisely. Who is this guy and why is his opinion worthy of a discussion? It'd be a story if it was someone more high profile or probably one of the recently terminated Man Utd staff.
 
charleysurf said:
Does Raymond Verheijen even have a coaching job?
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He did have a job at Wales and I remember reading he was a pretty well valued member of Gary Speed's staff. He's not some absolute random.

I think he might have a point, RVP didn't get a muscle injury in two years and within 1 month with Moyes when we know Moyes has 'overtrained' him he gets one.

It might just be pure dumb luck, but its something to keep an eye on.
 
NinjaFletch said:
He did have a job at Wales and I remember reading he was a pretty well valued member of Gary Speed's staff. He's not some absolute random.

I think he might have a point, RVP didn't get a muscle injury in two years and within 1 month with Moyes when we know Moyes has 'overtrained' him he gets one.

It might just be pure dumb luck, but its something to keep an eye on.
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He's had a number of top jobs. I think last time he was deliberately controversial someone said he'd worked at Barca, Chelsea and City previously.
 
NinjaFletch said:
He did have a job at Wales and I remember reading he was a pretty well valued member of Gary Speed's staff. He's not some absolute random.

I think he might have a point, RVP didn't get a muscle injury in two years and within 1 month with Moyes when we know Moyes has 'overtrained' him he gets one.

It might just be pure dumb luck, but its something to keep an eye on.
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I agree its not unfathomable that the 'overtraining' caused it. I just think most people are going to be ultra defensive because he expressed his point in a rather rude way, even if the point is potentially valid.
 
There was suggestions that Van Persies injuries were caused down to the extra work he was putting in on the wing at Arsenal. Soon as he played as a striker and was running less, the injuries ceased.

Isn't this the same guy who pretty much had Craig Bellamy running his own fitness program? Kept him fit and injury fee, but had him clash with Mancini?
 
Hal9000 said:
There was suggestions that Van Persies injuries were caused down to the extra work he was putting in on the wing at Arsenal. Soon as he played as a striker and was running less, the injuries ceased.

Isn't this the same guy who pretty much had Craig Bellamy running his own fitness program? Kept him fit and injury fee, but had him clash with Mancini?
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Yes, from wikipedia:

Verheijen has been a member of the coaching staff of the national teams of the Netherlands, Russia and South Korea, attending three World Cups and three European Championships.[2] He has also worked with a number of European club sides, including Barcelona of Spain, Zenit Saint Petersburg of Russia, and English teams Chelsea F.C and Manchester City.[2] He has also been a personal fitness coach to Craig Bellamy.[3]

As well as being the Welsh fitness coach, he knows an awful lot about fitness and he's got the credentials to back it up.

Come to think of it, weren't Everton constantly going from one injury crisis to another?
 
NinjaFletch said:
Yes, from wikipedia:

Verheijen has been a member of the coaching staff of the national teams of the Netherlands, Russia and South Korea, attending three World Cups and three European Championships.[2] He has also worked with a number of European club sides, including Barcelona of Spain, Zenit Saint Petersburg of Russia, and English teams Chelsea F.C and Manchester City.[2] He has also been a personal fitness coach to Craig Bellamy.[3]

As well as being the Welsh fitness coach, he knows an awful lot about fitness and he's got the credentials to back it up.
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After his behaviour after Gary Speed died he's proved he's a prick. If he was such a coaching genius he'd be in a job. I don't see why anyone would give him time of day. Unless they just want another knife to throw at Moyes of course. I'm sure Mourinho's players never get injured...
 
Good to hear he's well up for the CL. I always thought doing well in the CL would be at least as important as in the PL
 
charleysurf said:
After his behaviour after Gary Speed died he's proved he's a prick. If he was such a coaching genius he'd be in a job. I don't see why anyone would give him time of day. Unless they just want another knife to throw at Moyes of course. I'm sure Mourinho's players never get injured...
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Being a prick and being right aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm not saying he is right, just that he's very qualified to give his opinion on the matter and he should be listened too.
 
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