Maguire's Redemption

Maguire will never be 'quick' and that will mean he will always have to battle for a place in the team, but in every other way he has proved himself a 'battler'. I think Maguire's height and ability in the air alongside Martinez movement and ability to spot danger, and the fact they are both 'warrior's', means they just might become a CB pairing talked about years from now. Whether he gets the chance will depend on his fitness and the fitness of others.
 
Not a fan whatsoever, but he's been solid for a good while now. Suppose it's good to have him this season while Yoro/De Ligt adapt. I imagine this will be his last season here.
 
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He was never even that bad, he was hung out to dry by a dysfunctional team. Football fans are just insanely fickle and love to jump on a scape goat bandwagon of hate.
 
Maguire is more of a United player than some of the deadwood we have in our squad including Sancho and Rashford.
 
I see no problem in Maguire playing well. Isn’t it a good thing if our players deliver respectable performances?

We have purchased de Ligt and Yoro, both of whom are good - but if Maguire manages to keep his place on merit notwithstanding their arrivals, how is it bad? I doubt it happens, yet if it does, fine
 
Revival2024 said:
Any top club would have sent him packing by now. Redemption from what? Doing his job which he failed at doing for several seasons. 80 million pounds down the drain and the manager has tried to ship him out but refused to leave due to money. He has also forfeited his England spot and missed out on the Euros because he chooses to cling on to Manchester United.

He has played okay, no substantial disaster on the pitch (thus far) which might seem like a redemption. Still does not scan the pitch, still slow on the turn, still very immobile. He is one the primary reason United have turned into this weird hybrid high press and defend deep team. He should be on the transfer list if the club wants to make some pennies back this season but he will cling on and be let go for free. An accounting mess.

Yoro, De ligt and Martinez will be first choice. He's about the same level as Evans . As long as he remains back up for his last season here then I'm not bothered. Make few errors and enjoy the last ride

Fans need to start raising the bar for the club. Top clubs must be ruthless because competition is fierce. If as a player you perform then you will be rewarded. If you fail to step up then you will be lambasted. Manchester United is not a charity shop. It is a club that has to and must operate at the highest performance.
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Such hyperbolic nonsense. You don't raise the bar by getting rid of starters. That makes no sense. You bring in better players and have them compete. Which is what the club have done.

He started games on merit. Circumstances dictated that it was the right thing to do. It's not like picking him was holding talent back. We needed him and he did a good job.

I was never a fan but he's been in the team on merit for about a year now. Two years ago that looked an impossibility so credit to the lad.
 
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I really really admire how he pretty much came back from the dead to perform at a high level again.

Dude had the worst season of his career, became an internet meme, the who world was laughing at him, and losing the captaincy was the icing on the cake. A complete and utter humiliation.

Somehow he managed to silence the background noise, and just focus on getting better.

I don't think he'll necessary be a regular starter this season, but I have to say, I have massive respect for him now. You rarely see players recover from this. And even though he wasn't a great captain, I believe he's now a role model for the rest of our players, and a proof that you can only silence the noise on the pitch, not through PR bullshit, just on the pitch.

Antony is going through this humiliation right now, and it makes you wonder if there's a way back for him. I'd certainly look to Maguire for inspiration.
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I still remember that ridiculous brush-off Antony gave Maguire in his debut season. He's not fit to lace Maguire's boots as a footballer.
 
JJ12 said:
He really hasn't been horrendous. We paid too much for him, and he's had to deal with that.

'Horrendous signing' is exactly the tripe you expect to read around here though.
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I stubbornly backed him longer than most, but I'm intrigued how you would rate him as an 80m signing all in.

He has to deal with the fee, he didn't pay it etc etc but the fact is he was bought for 80m. So how would you rate the signing?
 
Has done well to turn it around. That being said his level is only really as a backup player at a club like United. Unfortunately due to his transfer fee and wages we expect more from him than his talent can deliver.

I'd be ok with keeping him but needs to be fourth choice after Martinez, De Ligt and Yoro when everyone is available.
 
He has had some good performances sine his "redemption".But realistically, if our signings settle as hope, he is a player inhis 30s, on a high wage that isour 4th choice entre back.

The tactios talk about lack of pace and high lines,which I understand. The biggest thing for me though is he simply moves theball far too slowly at the back,its usually sidewaysor very inconsistent on long balls diagonally....he is only decent charging out with the ball. Its abig problem we have had for years bar Martinez with our centre backs.

Should Maguire have been moved on this summer, yes....but keep him now and try and move Lindelof now. Maguire is a very good 4th choice as Evans isnt....but that doesnt go on beyond this seasonfor eitherof them, it shouldnt anyway
 
He will surprised most this season. He will be first choice on the RCB if fit. He plays really well in the new ETH system. Anyway, it's good we have good 4 CBs to rotate.
 
Revival2024 said:
Any top club would have sent him packing by now. Redemption from what? Doing his job which he failed at doing for several seasons. 80 million pounds down the drain and the manager has tried to ship him out but refused to leave due to money. He has also forfeited his England spot and missed out on the Euros because he chooses to cling on to Manchester United.

He has played okay, no substantial disaster on the pitch (thus far) which might seem like a redemption. Still does not scan the pitch, still slow on the turn, still very immobile. He is one the primary reason United have turned into this weird hybrid high press and defend deep team. He should be on the transfer list if the club wants to make some pennies back this season but he will cling on and be let go for free. An accounting mess.

Yoro, De ligt and Martinez will be first choice. He's about the same level as Evans . As long as he remains back up for his last season here then I'm not bothered. Make few errors and enjoy the last ride

Fans need to start raising the bar for the club. Top clubs must be ruthless because competition is fierce. If as a player you perform then you will be rewarded. If you fail to step up then you will be lambasted. Manchester United is not a charity shop. It is a club that has to and must operate at the highest performance.
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He missed out on the Euros because he was injured.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
He will surprised most this season. He will be first choice on the RCB if fit. He plays really well in the new ETH system. Anyway, it's good we have good 4 CBs to rotate.
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I'd be shocked if he plays over De Ligt when fit
 
He played well against Fulham and has been proven to have a damn strong mentality in the face of adversity. Say what you want about his physical abilities, I admire him for how he has always conducted himself. He won't be the first choice though, Martinez and De Ligt will be 100% for sure. Two players who can play a high line/have some speed to them and are comfortable(ish) playing out from the back and passing through the lines (Martinez sometimes feels a little nervy when he plays out from the back).
 
Alemar said:
I see no problem in Maguire playing well. Isn’t it a good thing if our players deliver respectable performances?

We have purchased de Ligt and Yoro, both of whom are good - but if Maguire manages to keep his place on merit notwithstanding their arrivals, how is it bad? I doubt it happens, yet if it does, fine
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Does anyone have a problem with him playing well?

Personally I’ve always felt that the absurd memification of the player on social media was abhorrent. Glad he’s been able to bounce back from it with the displays we’ve seen over the last 6-7 months. He’s not really the quality of starter we need in that position but useful for us right now in his current form and the stage the team is in.
 
Sandikan said:
I stubbornly backed him longer than most, but I'm intrigued how you would rate him as an 80m signing all in.

He has to deal with the fee, he didn't pay it etc etc but the fact is he was bought for 80m. So how would you rate the signing?
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He’s too slow to have ever been that price. That’s just a fact.

He suffered a serious meltdown of confidence (when the lack of pace was exposed) which shattered his form.

He’s made an admirable comeback last season but in terms of the original investment, “horrendous” is well justified in my opinion.
 
VP89 said:
I'd be shocked if he plays over De Ligt when fit
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He's not going to, but that doesn't reflect poorly on him. A little more than two years ago, he wasn't going to start ahead of Phil Jones and Eric Bailly...
 
The Harry redemption arc is complete for me (actually think it got completed in that 4-3 game vs. Liverpool where he came on and played both CB and CF at the same time), absolutely love the bloke... and you won't find a better fourth choice CB anywhere else. It's just a shame he cost £80m really, as the ridiculous fee will always be held against him.

But yeah, if we're winning a game with 10 minutes to go and need to shore things up at the back, I don't think there's another play I'd rather bring on.

Similarly, if we're losing 1-0 with 5 minutes to go and need to cause some mayhem, he's not a bad option either...
 
Alan Partridge said:
He was never even that bad, he was hung out to dry by a dysfunctional team. Football fans are just insanely fickle and love to jump on a scape goat bandwagon of hate.
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He was terrible. Last season was his best by far and a good season overall. It feels like he had to get over his ego a d accept his big weaknesses so he could focus on being able to play better with them.
 
Sandikan said:
I stubbornly backed him longer than most, but I'm intrigued how you would rate him as an 80m signing all in.

He has to deal with the fee, he didn't pay it etc etc but the fact is he was bought for 80m. So how would you rate the signing?
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80m was far too much, and I can't recall anyone saying he was worth that much, even back then.

I think he had a great first season up until his vacation in Greece.

After that, it was a disaster, and he became a worldwide meme like never before.

I respect him for enduring that, and I'm really happy for him that he managed to work his way out of it
 
ROFLUTION said:
Classic auto-response without being pragmatic about the thing. We cant get him off our hands, we all know he’s not been worth the outlay.

Almost no one is saying he’s overall been a good buy. We’re just saying he’s been great for over a year now.

Somehow the people with responses like yours manage to drag a whole other narrative into it, the overall narrative and yes it is true he’s been an overall failure.

We’re just saying he’s currently really good, that’s all. To Maguire hater’s this is simply impossible without having to mention every bad step of Maguire’s United career.
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Yeah, I hope you get my point now after today. Mistakes like today cost teams spots in the league. No matter how 'good' he is, its not good enough for United if they are hunting those top places. There is no narrative at all, just a simple analysis of how poor he is and with how with him in your team you let in unbelievable amount of goals last season with a negative goal difference.

He will rightly be dropped when De Ligt is match fit.
 
I could sense the joy in some of the posters in the matchday thread when Maguire made the mistake
 
Amarsdd said:
I could sense the joy in some of the posters in the matchday thread when Maguire made the mistake
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I'm sure there are those. I completely understand why he started though, a winning team, a good individual performance the other week and de Ligt is not up to speed. But he's looked bad today and we've not really needed his aerial ability, we need pace and mobility.

I don't mind him as a 4th choice centre back and he obviously offers a huge strength aerially when needed.
 
Back to the bench until it's cup games I think.
Has been OK but those critical moments like having zero agility to clear a cross cms from his foot will always cost.
 
Bastian said:
I'm sure there are those. I completely understand why he started though, a winning team, a good individual performance the other week and de Ligt is not up to speed. But he's looked bad today and we've not really needed his aerial ability, we need pace and mobility.

I don't mind him as a 4th choice centre back and he obviously offers a huge strength aerially when needed.
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The problem with him is he has one good performance and 4 bad ones after. Rashford is the same, we have far too many players like that in this squad.
 
Devil_forever said:
The problem with him is he has one good performance and 4 bad ones after. Rashford is the same, we have far too many players like that in this squad.
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Maguire is fine as a tactical option. We really need the other three centre backs to stay fit though (when Yoro's back), so that he remains a tactical option.

I'd sell him for a decent price, but he has more plan b value than McTominay.
 
Shouldn't be starting games when it's clear he's going to leave next year on a free. He should be out and de ligt in. Crazy management by Eth.
 
Amarsdd said:
I could sense the joy in some of the posters in the matchday thread when Maguire made the mistake
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No joy but living up to expection. Maguire will just make a big or small mistake every single game and that could cost a goal like it did today. If you have a forward line that struggles to score, you cant have Maguire playing and making his (atleast) one mistake a game.

He did well coming back from his international meme form but he is still a defender with issues in his game.
 
Type of player who will do well most of game but he will always make a mistake or two. Always. In every game.

When that mistake(s) don't end with a goal, people forget about them. But when they do then it is costly.
 
Made two mistakes in the space of a second. He forgot to play to his strengths which was his problem in the first place.
 
Just can't be trusted. Always a mistake in him. And unluckily enough for him, they often get punished.

He can perform well frequently and look like a good defender but mistakes like these don't fly under the radar at United compared to say, Leicester or Sheffield United where his reputation can remain intact.
 
Redemption or false dawn? Aren't we just fooling ourselves with this optimism?
 
He was poor for the goal but I thought he was ok other than that.

Martinez has been as bad if not worse over the first 2 games.
 
Deserved to start after last week's performance now he deserves to be benched after this one.
 
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