Interesting that all the journalists running with this are based in America with the squad right now. So I think this has come directly from the United camp.
Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire
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I guess both the Leicester City players and fans were also just giving in to the hype when they both voted him as their player of the year, ahead of several excellent performers.
I've got my own reservations about him that I've expressed in this thread and I'm always wary of signing a player based on a good tournament, but it's pretty clear he's a very good premier league defender. He stood out for Hull and has been very good for Leicester and then impressed when he got his chance for England.
He clearly has weaknesses, but the assets he has can be extremely dangerous if utilized properly. Seems to (weirdly) be getting stick for being English and having a good tournament. I think he'd be a real asset for a top club with his ability to bring it out from the back, and as a physical presence I don't think any sides would want to face him on set pieces.
Obviously anyone buying him would be paying a stupid fee. It's 2018, Richarlison is worth 50m and Liverpool spent nearly 150 million pounds on a central defender and keeper. The market is absolute nonsense, you either refuse to engage with it (disastrous if you want to compete on the pitch) or just accept that the current situation is mental.
I've got my own reservations about him that I've expressed in this thread and I'm always wary of signing a player based on a good tournament, but it's pretty clear he's a very good premier league defender. He stood out for Hull and has been very good for Leicester and then impressed when he got his chance for England.
He clearly has weaknesses, but the assets he has can be extremely dangerous if utilized properly. Seems to (weirdly) be getting stick for being English and having a good tournament. I think he'd be a real asset for a top club with his ability to bring it out from the back, and as a physical presence I don't think any sides would want to face him on set pieces.
Obviously anyone buying him would be paying a stupid fee. It's 2018, Richarlison is worth 50m and Liverpool spent nearly 150 million pounds on a central defender and keeper. The market is absolute nonsense, you either refuse to engage with it (disastrous if you want to compete on the pitch) or just accept that the current situation is mental.
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Unless Jose has eyes on 3 CB system we should be going for all round package, given that we prepared to spend astronomical sum (£65m) on a CB then do everything possible to land Godin here, otherwise just invest in soem really pressing positions like LB and RW.
If we're going to sign him we need to just get on with it, we don't have much time left.
Yes, so far no one has came forward admitting he watched him more than a handful of times.
He won both the fans and players player of the year whilst forcing his way into England’s starting 11 for the WC, he must have been proper shit.
He also won both players and fans player of the year in 2017 for Hull as well, the argument should be why we didnt pick him up last summer.
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The sad reality of the footballing world at the moment. Like others have said it's just a bit baffling why we didn't sign him when he moved last season ahead of Lindelof, he was very much a known entity and we'd have saved ourselves a hell of a lot of money.
Yeah, if you want to sign an established player (especially from cash rich premier league clubs) you will be paying a huge premium. Players proven to be quality are outrageously expensive, the likes of Palace can reasonably slap 60 mill price tags on players like Zaha and it's treated as the norm now. Maguire has just won Leicester's player of the year and had a fantastic world cup. Leicester are not short of money, the price will be obscene.
The only way to avoid it (as you say) is to take risks and go for players before they've shown it on the top stage, for which you'll need a decent scouting network. Even with that though you'll definitely be upping the risk factor, it's a question of is it worth taking them or waiting and paying the extra money for the ones more likely to work out. For a club like United (with serious resources) I guess some would say it's worth doing the latter.
He’s not shit far from it, just that scrutiny at a club like United is much larger, hence weaknesses are more highlighted.
At Leicester he has luxury of being not the best defender as his mistakes won’t be discussed on anywhere near the similar level as on these boards here given our much bigger fan base (set of eyes). No offence but in an overall poor season for Leicester where fans don’t have huge expectations to begin with - they get more easily impressed with unsual things (such as defender being comfortable with the ball at playing out and looking fine when in possession). Those sort of episodes get stuck in their memories for much longer than his defending skills as his ability on the ball was that got them entertained in a mostly underwhelming season and that’s fair enough.
He also scored some headers which won them points, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that he won those awards.
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If we are prioritizing another CB over a LB, Mourinho needs to honestly get fecked. This insistence on disregarding positions we absolutely need to strengthen is baffling. We are playing an aging, converted right footed CF/winger as a LB ffs. I like Maguire and think he's a good player, but LB is far more of a concern, we have no width in the team.
And RB!
I really don't understand it, is it a problem with the board? It was an issue under SAF too, we refused to strengthen CM for years. I find it hard to believe such top managers can't see such glaring weaknesses in a team.
He'd also be in a team which (generally) saw far more of the ball at United, so he would probably have to do far less defending than he does at Leicester. He'd be playing in a better team defensively, with more support from his teammates, so wouldn't be so exposed. There are advantages and disadvantages to playing at a top team, and I think Maguire is the kind of defender who would benefit from playing in a stronger team. I also think Mourinho is exactly the kind of manager who could exploit his physical abilities, his strength on set pieces etc was exploited fantastically by England for example.
His defending wasn't bad for Leicester, he had the odd moment here or there (Every defender does, Vertonghen is our best yet has plenty of poor moments, so do the likes of Sergio Ramos, Van Djik, Hummels etc). You're acting like Leicester fans are unable to spot a good footballer when they have some very decent talent in their ranks, I'd say it's unusual to be picked as POTY when a fan favourite like Vardy scores 20 in the league and Ndidi had an excellent season. The idea that Leicester fans were completely blinded by a few headed goals is a little bit fanciful, he had a good year.
It's not often a central defender wins these kinds of awards, plenty of central defenders have scored game winning headers in a season and not even been up for it. I think you're dismissing his achievements too lightly because you dislike his defending style (I get that, he can look cumbersome at times) but he's fully deserving of the awards he received.
The suggestion that Maguire has fooled the Leicester fans, his own teammates (who also voted him their player of the year) and the England manager/coaches with a few headed goals and runs from the back, seems very unlikely to me. I'm not going to pretend I was an avid Leicester watcher last season, but in this case I'd say you have to go with what the fans, players and coaches all seem to be seeing in him.
Yup would have been all aboard for 12m. Played very well against us in the semi final of the cup
65m a year later after buying lindelof and bailly for 60m as well is just a fecking nonsense of the highest order
60 million plus the cost of widening all the doors in Carrington/Old Trafford to fit his head through.
But much for me after a good season.
But much for me after a good season.
Evra was once a striker, does that mean he'll only ever be remembered as such? Young made FIFA team of the tournament at the world cup and had a pretty decent season for United last season.
The team as no width as the formation is wrong. Jose wants his left back to stay back and plays players on the wong who are prone to drift in. Compact is his style of play, so we play compact and are difficult to break down. I'd say he needs a Terry like figure at the back before we'll see anything like a more expansive game
I find it hard to believe we would spend over 60 million on him.
Did he?
I thought he was pretty poor. Good delivery from set pieces and some nice crosses, but he was really poor against Croatia and his tendency to want to cut on to his right was irritating. Thought he was fortunate that Rose is still badly trying to rediscover his old self, to be honest.
Few reasons why I don't agree. Firstly, Young is notorious for being injury prone, going into the season relying on him to stay fit, especially at his age is stupidity. He regularly misses parts of the season through injury. Secondly, whether or not Jose likes plays compact is irrelevant. He is a right footed attacker, he can't make runs on the outside playing off the left because he isn't nearly as good with it. It's why his trademark is to cut inside back onto his right foot to cross.
Also I don't buy that he wants his fullbacks to stay back, Shaw etc. have come out regularly and said he wants both of his fullbacks to get forward. Also for arguments sake, if he wanted a defensive fullback to stay back, surely there are much better options than a player who isn't a defender by trade?
I like Young and think he's a great player to have around the squad and as a squad player. I was in the camp who was happy he stayed, but we need someone more reliable and better as first choice.
I don't rate him. Even if he is slightly better than what we have, he isn't a massive upgrade. We are well stocked at cb, so only a Varane or Godin signing would significantly improve us there. Also going off the wc, wasn't Lindelof jusr as impressive?
Lb and rw is completely different as our options are limited and lacking in quality
Lb and rw is completely different as our options are limited and lacking in quality
As much as I rate Maguire and think he has a great personality we lack, I agree with you somewhat. It’s baffling that Jose is apparently prioritising a centre-half.
Either we are witness to the greatest smokescreen in football or we will struggle next season. We seem only to be linked to central midfielders and center backs, not what we need.
One question. How can you know his personality?
We probably do need a centre-back, just a full-back more.
We’ve seen what Lindelof can do in the World Cup and how good a defender he is. Much rather give him a good chance in the team than get Maguire.
Smalling is by far our best header in defence. If he's out injured, we're screwed at setpieces. But on the flipside, selecting Smalling weakens our ability to pass it out of the back.
The current roster of CBs leaves us between a rock and hard place. Either we're poor in the air or poor on the deck.
Maguire is exactly what we need. He provides the aerial prowess of Smalling, whilst maintaining quality on the ball that a United backline should ideally have.
The current roster of CBs leaves us between a rock and hard place. Either we're poor in the air or poor on the deck.
Maguire is exactly what we need. He provides the aerial prowess of Smalling, whilst maintaining quality on the ball that a United backline should ideally have.
I've said it in the Alderweireld comparison thread: he's been voted fans POTY and players POTY on 5 occasions. He's only been playing 7 years. Take away a loan at Wigan and first season at Hull, and its every season he's played.
He stepped up to England without a problem aswell. The guy exceeds his level.
What mistakes are these that he makes?
Every CB under Jose has improved, we potentially could have the next John Terry in maguire
Then why has everyone already given up on Lindelof?
Because some on here aren't exactly known for their positivity and patience?
Would 100% prefer we stick with lindelof. Actually think our defenders would suit a back 3 with a new addition such as godin bonucci or alderweireld. Assuming we wont go that way i simply dont see maguire as an upgrade worth that much
If were blowing 65m on a CB may as well spend a little more on the likes of Koulibaly or Varane.
What makes you think that Varane would want to leave Real Madrid to join us??
And why would they sell him??
Still dont buy this.
We unload some dead wood in central defence: Jones, Smalling first.
Or the next Sammer!
I think he's a huge upgrade on Rojo, who'd be the one who would hopefully make way.
I was just using him as an example of the type of quality we should be targeting instead of Maguire.
I guess you have seen plenty of Skrinar in serie A or de light in Holland to make the assumption that they are better then Maguire.
Just finished watching the game v San Jose (played yesterday) and it's hard to swallow the 'Jose prioritises Maquire' rubbish, the only reason to buy him would be to play him as a striker, we managed just one shot on target !
I haven't seen enough of him to judge properly, but a CB who can play the ball and is a threat on corners is something I'd really like here.
Such a fan of the guy.
We played Hull like 3 times or so in quick succession a couple seasons back, I can't recall if he played every game but I remember being so impressed by him. He was making runs as far as our box, picking his moments to do so, playing with a calmness and defending well in the process. He's a threat from set pieces, he seems to have a very strong mentality. As England progressed through the WC he looked like he had the world at his feet, he clearly loved every second of it and he owned the responsibility which is a good sign too.
I'd be delighted with this. As a signing alone it is nowhere near enough to change our fortunes, but it would be a boost.
We played Hull like 3 times or so in quick succession a couple seasons back, I can't recall if he played every game but I remember being so impressed by him. He was making runs as far as our box, picking his moments to do so, playing with a calmness and defending well in the process. He's a threat from set pieces, he seems to have a very strong mentality. As England progressed through the WC he looked like he had the world at his feet, he clearly loved every second of it and he owned the responsibility which is a good sign too.
I'd be delighted with this. As a signing alone it is nowhere near enough to change our fortunes, but it would be a boost.
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