Maguire | he stays!

DevilRed said:
Came to read about Maguire leaving. Ended up learning about dogs and why they bite you.

Classic redcafe.
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Sometimes, you just have to step back from the daily grind of life and have a laugh. Dogs just don’t bite people they‘re happy to see.
 
Bebestation said:
Replacing Dalot with Frimpong would be amazing.

The best attacking RB vs the best 1 vs 1 defender in the world in our squad

Dump the average Dalot out and have the best of two worlds at our table.
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Think we could look at RB in next window depending on the form of AWB & Dalot
 
moodyred said:
I feel the challenge is not the transfer fees for maguire. Its his wages. Would a club like West ham be able to afford paying such high wages for him?
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No,I don't think they could afford 190 a week so either Harry takes a pay cut or Man Utd supplement his wages.
 
Red in STL said:
Yeah Shaw could be moved to RCB, which planet is that happening on because it isn't this one!
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Course he could, or maybe his partner could depending on who is better there. Not ideal in the modern football build up play but there's been over a century of football played with two right footed centre halfs playing. Making a mountain of a molehill. Besides, depends who is injured. You have Varane and Lindelof covering on the right and Martinez and Shaw on the left. Better to have another center back but it does work as a concept.
 
Sanche7 said:
What's wrong with that valuation? 30-35 mill for Maguire and 40-45 mil for McTominay isn't something ridiculous IMO. Maguire is a vastly experienced CB, who is England's starting CB and till very recently, United's captain.
McTominay is also a very useful player, with lots of experience at the highest levels, and has had a lot of good performances.
Both are English, home grown, with loads of PL and CL experience.
McT is just 26 and Maguire just turned 30.
Every other team puts ridiculous price tags on their players, but we can't? Especially when West Ham have about 100 mill lying around from the Rice deal?
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Exactly. Moaners complain that we always overpay --- and yet when we demand a higher fee for our own (outgoing) player, they become flaccid?
 
OrcaFat said:
Don’t know why you think that. If you compare their histories, attendances, attainments, Roma are a much bigger club and, I think, currently a slightly better team.
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At roughly equivalent standing in their respective league at this point in time... Which probably means West Ham are magnitude more cash rich than AS Roma and a better "client" for United on these twos.
I'd probably choose Rome if I had the choice but well... ASR isn't in the running so.
 
Abraxas said:
Course he could, or maybe his partner could depending on who is better there. Not ideal in the modern football build up play but there's been over a century of football played with two right footed centre halfs playing. Making a mountain of a molehill. Besides, depends who is injured. You have Varane and Lindelof covering on the right and Martinez and Shaw on the left. Better to have another center back but it does work as a concept.
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EtH has made it clear that his CB's are going to be a right and a left footed combination, Marinez and Shaw ain't going to happen
 
They better take that £30m for Maguire before WH walk away.
£70m for the pair is good business.
 
I used to blame Ole for hoarding players that he doesn't need and running his favorite 11 to the ground. But I'm starting to think it is the club's management issue. Asking too much for players we don't need, renewing contracts to maintain value. Ended up not being able to afford players that we actually need.

Makes no sense we are keeping a player that we don't need by holding out prices that are unrealistic.
 
stoinz said:
I used to blame Ole for hoarding players that he doesn't need and running his favorite 11 to the ground. But I'm starting to think it is the club's management issue. Asking too much for players we don't need, renewing contracts to maintain value. Ended up not being able to afford players that we actually need.

Makes no sense we are keeping a player that we don't need by holding out prices that are unrealistic.
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I think we can push them up to £68m for the pair seeing as we value them around £75m
 
croadyman said:
I think we can push them up to £68m for the pair seeing as we value them around £75m
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I hope you are right. It will be a good moves for the players too that they get playing time rather than sitting on a bench.
 
stoinz said:
I used to blame Ole for hoarding players that he doesn't need and running his favorite 11 to the ground. But I'm starting to think it is the club's management issue. Asking too much for players we don't need, renewing contracts to maintain value. Ended up not being able to afford players that we actually need.

Makes no sense we are keeping a player that we don't need by holding out prices that are unrealistic.
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It was obviously Woodward trying to preserve asset value.

The more the player contracts were extended and the greater the number of players in the squad, the higher the asset value on our end-of-year accounts could look. Correspondingly, the higher the asset value on our end-of-year accounts looked, the more favourable the interest rates we could get on our loans.

Every one of our managers in the Woodward era was handicapped by that prat. Ole more than others because he was the last one who had to suffer Woodward's antics and by that point the situation with the squad had snowballed until it was completely unsustainable. We weren't a football Disneyland, we were a Muppet Island. There's a reason LvG and Mourinho both left in acrimony with the board.

Solskjaer talked about getting rid of players from a football perspective but it was never followed through from a business perspective. Thankfully EtH is finally getting the backing he needs.

Murtough feels like the messiah compared to Woodward. Even if he's only moderately competent, it's still a breath of fresh air.
 
Dve said:
I regard McTominay as a valuable squad member - not as deadwood - and I don't think Hag would mind keeping him. You'd struggle to buy a 30m midfielder that would go directly in and strengthen the first 11 and Fred, DVB, Sabitzer and Iqbal, that's already 4 midfielders out. If we get a good price, then ok, but I see no reason to sell McTominay just for the sake of it. He's actually not that bad a fotballer even if he's not a starter.
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If the manager thought he was a valuable squad player we wouldn’t be trying to sell him, like Maguire he is just someone making up the numbers. It’s keeping him that would be for sake of it just to give us another body, selling him is progressing which is what we never do.

We have too many players like Maguire, Fred, DVB, Mctominay who either should have never been bought or shipped out years ago.
 
I really really really hope we dont feck this and McT transfer up over being greedy. Sounds like typical United though.
 
Half this place was advocating for the overpaying for a player left with a year on his deal. Then turnanround and advocate for selling low when it's our players. However low you think of McTominay and Maguire 70m for the pair or close to that is a fair deal.
 
We’ll get about 35 for each. Last week people were outraged we didn’t take 20m for Harry. 65-70 coming in. West Ham supporters are outraged they haven’t made signings. These are guaranteed PL quality starters, good top 6 starters. Just not good enough to challenge. They are worth the money in a silly market we are in. The West Ham supporters will apply the pressure.
 
Selling Maguire is a no brainer, best for all involved and if we get £35m then it’s a good deal imo. I would stand firm if I was West Ham though, I think we need to sell him now, especially with how the fans have treated him of late.

McT I think it’s definitely worth holding out for a bit more and pushing to £40-45m. It feels like a less desperate sale and if we had to keep him, it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
 
flappyjay said:
Half this place was advocating for the overpaying for a player left with a year on his deal. Then turnanround and advocate for selling low when it's our players. However low you think of McTominay and Maguire 70m for the pair or close to that is a fair deal.
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What I don’t want is those two guys hanging around here for another year. By all means get as much as we can for them but, bottom line, get them sold.
 
Harry is 30 years old now and hasn´t performed consistently well for the club in 2 seasons now.

Rejecting a good bid of 30m at this stage is kinda stupid imo. What is those extra 5m worth in comparison to get a Pavard or Todibo for example in before start of the season?
Or maybe FFP has us by the balls so bad we need those 5m badly to get players in..?
 
I mean, McT and Maguire are good for deep runs in the Europa League but considering the wages involved, £60M for both I thought was a fair deal for all parties.

I guess we want to be the winners in this deal.
 
Gordon S said:
Harry is 30 years old now and hasn´t performed consistently well for the club in 2 seasons now.

Rejecting a good bid of 30m at this stage is kinda stupid imo. What is those extra 5m worth in comparison to get a Pavard or Todibo for example in before start of the season?
Or maybe FFP has us by the balls so bad we need those 5m badly to get players in..?
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If the club sells on the cheap you lot criticize, if the club hold out for it's asking price you get anxious and loose your shit. Calm down west ham will pay up.
 
Trex said:
If the club sells on the cheap you lot criticize, if the club hold out for it's asking price you get anxious and loose your shit. Calm down west ham will pay up.
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I think that we all just play a rough value on a player in our heads (probably all completely different usually). I think a lot of people wouldn't do sider 30m selling him on the cheap.

It's definitely a gamble but let's hope it works out and we get 70m for him and McTominay.
 
Gordon S said:
Harry is 30 years old now and hasn´t performed consistently well for the club in 2 seasons now.

Rejecting a good bid of 30m at this stage is kinda stupid imo. What is those extra 5m worth in comparison to get a Pavard or Todibo for example in before start of the season?
Or maybe FFP has us by the balls so bad we need those 5m badly to get players in..?
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If that were the case, wouldn't selling McTominay for 30m solve all those problems?
 
Trex said:
If the club sells on the cheap you lot criticize, if the club hold out for it's asking price you get anxious and loose your shit. Calm down west ham will pay up.
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I am calm, are you?

You don´t think 30m is a perfectly good price for Maguire?
 
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