It's not about overrating. These are basic functions in a side. A fast mobile one and your header more physical one is as old as the back 4 itself. Maguire requires a mobile CB to do the jobs he's not equipped for. It's not a revelatory statement.Have we really got to the point where we're overrating Zouma over Maguire? Zouma doesn't handle rapid, mobile attackers as it is, hence why they came 14th. Aguerd is their best defender currently and he's average on the ball and not fantastic in the air. Maguire has been part of far better teams than West Ham and played better than any of their defenders. I don't like Maguire and he has obvious flaws, but he is better than Zouma will ever be.
That's a bit of stretch, they finished 14th because they had the 13th worse attack and and 12th worse defense. It's not because Zouma can't handle rapid and mobile attackers. If anything scoring 42 goals is closer to be their biggest issue if we wanted to pinpoint one..
One of United's strengths is the defence, Maguire adds depth and would need replacing if he was sold...so you don't sell him on the cheap!
We can still hold out for as much as possible and not just jump at someone’s first offer.Pau Torres went for 31.5m this year. Akanji to city for 15m, Collins for 20m this year. All good CB’s with promise and resale value.
The only CB’s that moved clubs this year so far that were worth 30m and above are Kim, Timber and Lucas Hernandez.
the only 30+ cb that moved clubs in the last three years that I can remember is Koulibaly and he had good reputation last year when he did move.
I mean we got 28 years old Varane for about 34m pounds, come on.
One of United's strengths is the defence, Maguire adds depth and would need replacing if he was sold...so you don't sell him on the cheap!
If a better offer comes in sure, but I’m really sceptical about it. We have a short window left to sell him for something. Otherwise if the window closes and we’re stuck with him his value will approach ground zero and on top of that with a new ball playing keeper and probably even more proactive approach from the back, not only his value will nosedive further but he will cost us points.We can still hold out for as much as possible and not just jump at someone’s first offer.
What should we sell him for?
That’s what I was going to mention earlier, it’s not just us who should have to pay the English tax, and wages, it’s down to the buying club to worry about that. They know the situation when they enter their bids.I'd hope everyone on the Cafe would see £20 million as a joke.
The counter argument about his high wages is also daft imo, as when does the selling club care about wages, its not United's problem.
To answer your question, I think around 30-35 would be reasonable, the English tax exists for everyone not just the Top 6.
He was good enough 7 years ago and still is now at a pushEvans who was not good enough for us 7 years ago in his 20s is now good for us at age 35?
His career is starting to look really crap.Which is weird really, however much we have paid for him doesn't dictate the current market. Keeping him also means we are paying his wages that is above average. It's like a fancy car if you don't use it anymore better to sell it because the cost of maintenance + tax will only add up and the value will go down year by year.
I think so too. Maguire's value will go down further next year as he'll be 31 and approaching 32... add to that is the minimum gametime he'd have had by then. He'll be in decline to the eyes of most club due to lack of gametime+his age.
The tax exists when there are potential buyers and for players on an upward trajectory. So far Maguire only has one which is Westham and theyre not even serious about it hence the 20m. Its not like we have a bidding war, everyone knows the manager doesnt fancy him and he is a hard to sell player. Chances are next season its gonna be harder to find potential buyers. So we will probably sell him for a decent value but the tax? Forget about that. Whatever fee hes going to be let go for will be a dwarf compared to the amount we spent for him, it will be closer to his actual value. You do realise we got Mount for 55m right? Sometimes circumstances play a part. Its not always "sell high because english".I'd hope everyone on the Cafe would see £20 million as a joke.
The counter argument about his high wages is also daft imo, as when does the selling club care about wages, its not United's problem.
To answer your question, I think around 30-35 would be reasonable, the English tax exists for everyone not just the Top 6.
The tax exists when there are potential buyers and for players on an upward trajectory. So far Maguire only has one which is Westham and theyre not even serious about it hence the 20m. Its not like we have a bidding war, everyone knows the manager doesnt fancy him and he is a hard to sell player. Chances are next season its gonna be harder to find potential buyers. So we will probably sell him for a decent value but the tax? Forget about that. Whatever fee hes going to be let go for will be a dwarf compared to the amount we spent for him, it will be closer to his actual value. You do realise we got Mount for 55m right? Sometimes circumstances play a part. Its not always "sell high because english".
Not really, no. We have a strong manager now who won't play players based on their price tag or salary or deemed status.He has to feature (from the bench) in the league cup at least or against weaker opposition in the FA Cup. He is on £200k a week
If we don’t buy anybody to replace him and don’t have to subsidize his wage then it will be a small ish profit I think. For transfer fee alone yes it will be a £7m loss, but his book value also includes his ~ £10m wage.Think he’s a straight loss for the club at 20m because of amortization no?
Yes, Evans is more useful than Maguire.Evans who was not good enough for us 7 years ago in his 20s is now good for us at age 35?
Its a tough one to call but sure, if he was willing to fill such a role I think he'd be ideal. He does strike me as someone who's better when playing every week though, so were I him / his representative I'd be suggesting moving to a Fulham / Lazio type club.This is precisely why I’m hesitant for us to sell him. Yes he’ll decline, and yes he is not a starting player for us anymore. But he is just the perfect squad player to bring in when we’re in the doldrums of mid season and tied with Sheffield 1-1 at home because we lack energy. That’s a valuable role IMHO if he’s willing to fill it…
Fair play. I'm damaged from years of bad negotiation but to be fair, he's a very valuable player for lower down teams.£25m is not outrageous.Starting bid £20m end up paying £25m-30m would be good business I suppose. They got a couple of weeks to make it happen at least we now know they are interested
He has to feature (from the bench) in the league cup at least or against weaker opposition in the FA Cup. He is on £200k a week
You're forgetting the amount of bad press we get because the media like their English players and Maguire himself doesn't help giving 100 interviews per season.Am I the only one don't mind Maguire to remain at the club if the only offer we could get is 20M from WH?
Let's not forget Martinez and Varane are both injury prone as per their records last season (not so much for Martinez). Then we are left with Lindelof and Shaw. But we need Shaw at LB.
As many had said, with Onana playing high line sweeper roles it could also help Maguire. I think we need a CB if Maguire leave and 20M can't get you a decent CB like Maguire for replacement.
We will also again have like 60 us game next season?
I don't see 20m as a joke; I see Maguire's wages reflective to his quality as a joke.I'd hope everyone on the Cafe would see £20 million as a joke.
The counter argument about his high wages is also daft imo, as when does the selling club care about wages, its not United's problem.
I don't see 20m as a joke; I see Maguire's wages reflective to his quality as a joke.
No, his wages are not a 'daft' argument. Most players (most people) will not accept wage cuts, even if they're already rich. This obviously limits his transfer value because mid table teams (Maguire's level) cannot afford large transfer fees AND high salaries. Especially for an aging player with no sell on value.
Name me a player over 30 purchased by a mid table club for over 30m on over 180k pw? I'll wait...
Isn’t Jonny Evans in line for that gig?This is one transfer that doesn't really bother me. His replacement will be pretty much the same package (higher fees + lower wages). He stays he will be 4th CB at the club and might miss out for England. If he leaves great good luck to him. He is not the team captain anymore so doesnt really bother me.
Jonny Evans on a free will do as 3rd choice rcb, 4th choice lcb. I think we should get Maguire off of the wage bill.Then West Ham can't afford him...tough shit! its not United's problem.
Again I'll say it, United had the 3rd best defensive record last year, you don't turn a strength into a weakness, just to flog a player at bargain bin prices.
The same posters saying to get rid of Maguire will be the first to moan when United get ripped off overpaying for his replacement.
It is United's problem because no one else seems to want him, and we want rid of him.Then West Ham can't afford him...tough shit! its not United's problem.
Again I'll say it, United had the 3rd best defensive record last year, you don't turn a strength into a weakness, just to flog a player at bargain bin prices.
The same posters saying to get rid of Maguire will be the first to moan when United get ripped off overpaying for his replacement.
I was frustrated about Maguire situation but do agree with you now. De Gea left and that means we don't have to pay for his huge wages anymore so Maguire as a 3rd/4th choice and not him not being captain anymore is a different situation. I'd even say Maguire could have a solid season now without a pressure of being United captain and having better GK behind him passing wise.This is one transfer that doesn't really bother me. His replacement will be pretty much the same package (higher fees + lower wages). He stays he will be 4th CB at the club and might miss out for England. If he leaves great good luck to him. He is not the team captain anymore so doesnt really bother me.
Football is not a 'normal' job though.I don't see 20m as a joke; I see Maguire's wages reflective to his quality as a joke.
No, his wages are not a 'daft' argument. Most players (most people) will not accept wage cuts, even if they're already rich. This obviously limits his transfer value because mid table teams (Maguire's level) cannot afford large transfer fees AND high salaries. Especially for an aging player with no sell on value.
Name me a player over 30 purchased by a mid table club for over 30m on over 180k pw? I'll wait...
He probably won’t, hence the bid being £20m.Football is not a 'normal' job though.
Maguire will have to take a wage cut if he wants to extend his international career,
Newcastle paid very close to £30m for a 30 year old Chris Wood the other year, only for Wood to then take a pay cut to join Forest.
Your example still doesn't meet the criteria. Newcastle are the richest club in the world. No longer mid table (although they were fighting relegation at the time) and Chris Wood's wages would be nowhere near Maguire's and he was still under 30.Football is not a 'normal' job though.
Maguire will have to take a wage cut if he wants to extend his international career,
Newcastle paid very close to £30m for a 30 year old Chris Wood the other year, only for Wood to then take a pay cut to join Forest.
If Maguire's agent does his job porperly, then his client won't leave Utd without compensation for the salary difference of the remaining contract. It also makes no sense for West Ham or any other club to offer Maguire 200k a week, because he is not worth it based on his performance in the past couple years. In the end it is an extremely bad business for a mid table club to spend big money(60m overall package) on an old player without resale value anyway.Your example still doesn't meet the criteria. Newcastle are the richest club in the world. No longer mid table (although they were fighting relegation at the time) and Chris Wood's wages would be nowhere near Maguire's and he was still under 30.
I'll ask the question again: name me a player, any player, purchased for 30m by a mid table club, over 30 years old on over £180k pw?
Posters here need to be more realistic about Maguire's value.
I think you're pretty much agreeing with me that it's unrealistic to expect a decent (30m plus) transfer fee.If Maguire's agent does his job porperly, then his client won't leave Utd without compensation for the salary difference of the remaining contract. It also makes no sense for West Ham or any other club to offer Maguire 200k a week, because he is not worth it based on his performance in the past couple years. In the end it is an extremely bad business for a mid table club to spend big money(60m overall package) on an old player without resale value anyway.