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Caf: Maguire is a donkey
Also Caf: £20m? That’s an insult to Maguire!
Also Caf: £20m? That’s an insult to Maguire!
I hear you on him staying at United for 200k a week, especially as 4th choice cb but that's a historical issue that takes a bit of time to get ironed out.No team that defends deep will break their wage structure to incorporate 30 years old CB on 200k per week.
In order for that to happen(we receive a valuation of 30-40m) Maguire has to accept a serious pay cut (probably around half of his current wage), and I can’t see that happening.
we should take a hit and move on from him, otherwise you have someone on 200k doing cameo performances in which everyone on the pitch and in the stands will be shitting their pants when they see him on.
Especially when we finally brought a ball playing keeper and the plan is most likely to build from the back.
Different styles of play, that made him look good at Leicester. I wouldn't have even paid 50m for him, we got ripped off but we could all probably highlight a lot of deals like that over the last 10 years. Fair play on ending the chapter, wouldn't disagree but I also wouldn't throw the towel in yet. West Ham have money, the window is still open for 4 weeks and I hope there bid will spark a few more. I saw on twitter that potentially 5 Seria A clubs want him too, then again they don't have money. Let's see, I'd be happy for him to go, but given our financial constraints, I think holding for a larger fee than 20m is the right thing. Maybe 25m is the bit that makes us say yes.He also didn't really shine through his time with Ole. We overpaid absurdly for him, he was a 50 million player after a good season for Leicester. By now, his star has fallen quite a bit and he is on big wages. Nobody knows, if its just confidence or something deeper. It hurts, looking at the money burned but the mistake happend those years ago. I'd take 25 and have that chapter done. Good for everybody involved.
It depends on how much he values playing time.It’s not £20 million though is it?
It’s £20 million + the massive salary he’s on.
If he was paid in relation to his market value then he’d be on £70k a week and clubs would be offering £40 million.
He won’t leave to take a pay cut and his wages align with a player with a market value of £80 million and that wage depresses his market price.
Though I do think £20 million was shy of the mark and that WH were trying it on and will up their offer.
Is it really though? If that's subject to them taking him, wages and all with no subsidisation from us, it works out as a better deal than £30m+ plus subsidy. Jackpot is the higher fee plus a clean break, but that's most likely pie in the sky stuff.He has devolved to a meme but 20m is still an insulting bid
I've seen several people discussing that he'd be instantly the best at West Ham. So I thought I'd run the stats. Maguire last season came in a little ahead of Zouma overall on average but a little worse than Aguerd when looked at per 90 mins. Basically they are about at the same level.It depends on how much he values playing time.
On his valuation, he isn’t and never has been a poor player. You can argue he isn’t Man Utd elite standard (whatever that means)or that he has declined but there is no way he is a £20m player. He instantly becomes WH best defender, and they have to value him as such. This first offer is a disgrace and a waste of everybody’s time.
I agree entirely.It depends on how much he values playing time.
On his valuation, he isn’t and never has been a poor player. You can argue he isn’t Man Utd elite standard (whatever that means)or that he has declined but there is no way he is a £20m player. He instantly becomes WH best defender, and they have to value him as such. This first offer is a disgrace and a waste of everybody’s time.
If that's true we will get higher bids.It depends on how much he values playing time.
On his valuation, he isn’t and never has been a poor player. You can argue he isn’t Man Utd elite standard (whatever that means)or that he has declined but there is no way he is a £20m player. He instantly becomes WH best defender, and they have to value him as such. This first offer is a disgrace and a waste of everybody’s time.
Interesting, I can only say I wasn't under that impression. I'd give you that he looked pretty good in the 1st half of the first season and iirc he ended his first year with an overall good to very good season but excellent seems like big push to me. I think, the calamities started to appear in season 2 after all the Greece hassle (or was that in season 1?). That being said, I've learned not to give too much weight on such wording like excellent or very good - I am not the most enthusiastic person so better not to argue about that.Beg to differ. He was mostly excellent through his first two seasons with us and it was almost unanimously felt on the Caf that his injury before the Europa League final was the reason we did not win.
Being fine and looking good in three pre season games isn't a lot... He is a CB who was at fault for multiple clangers, people will always remember such an incident longer than him "being fine" in a few outings here and there.He was fine when called upon last year and has looked good so far in pre season, not to mention his continuing good form at International level. He would instantly be West Hams best defender by some margin should they sign him and the same applies to a whole host of clubs including Tottenham and Villa. His asking price at 40M is clearly a starting point for negotiations but he is worth 30M to 35M easily and we would be mugs to sell him for less, particularly when we would then have to turn around and replace him.
£30m plus addons is most realisticI think 35 million is probably my sweet spot for Maguire. Still feels semi optimistic. We're not getting 40 I don't think. We can always hope but the problem for mid table clubs is he isn't an investment opportunity. This expensive to maintain asset will be heading for retirement on the expiry of this next deal. So as much as current ability does add something to West Ham they'll be wary of overpaying.
35 is a profit on the books and may cover an up front fee on a competent replacement that's more suited to us. We have to consider that there's zero point selling him if we don't have a better option to replace him. Varane will not play all season so it's not a case of just selling him and then praying. We will need a 4th centre back option during a very long season.
They did bring out the worst in each other.I actually think one of Maguire biggest problems has already been resolved - De Gea. The two of them never worked together due to their collective weaknesses.
I think with a proper sweeper like Onana behind him, Maguire would look better.
That said, I realise it’s all probably too late and it’s probably best for all parties now if he just moves on.
Maybe but there was no way the club were taking £20m for someone they paid £80m for20 mill? I would've took the money and ran.
When a player said he wanted to stay and fight for his place, it means he doesn't want a pay cut.Maybe but there was no way the club were taking £20m for someone they paid £80m for
How much they paid for in the past won't matter unfortunately. Its how much is he worth right now? If we get 20-30m for him and get his wages off our books, we should sell him and get some young CB to play 4th choice.Maybe but there was no way the club were taking £20m for someone they paid £80m for
He won't be on the bench. He is 6th choice CB.He will be warming the bench next season. His presence at United speaks volumes of how disorganised and aimless we were in the transfer market. Almost farcical.
I think we've learnt our lesson now judging from the first-team players who have come in since ETH took over.
Agreed.20 mill? I would've took the money and ran.
Off topic, but what's the deal with West Ham and Moyes? It seems despite the conference win, West Ham are considering firing him?Is he that &much* better than Zouma or Aguerd though as of this upcoming season? I mean he might be a little better, but he is 30, almost certainly on the start of a decline and on massive wages and then you want 30-40m on top.
It's a package of probably 50-60m.
Is he 50-60m better than West Ham starting defenders? Especially in context of our large midfield issues and a team that will need *large* changes the following year as players get too old/our of contract
And that's coming from someone who thinks he'd do well at West Ham.
The other factor is there is a good chance Moyes won't even be here the following season, he us I his last year of his contract and will need a very good season to stay on it seems, hence why Moyes is hell bent on "prem experience", players who can just slot in and don't need time to adjust. 50-60m package on a player who may not fit the next manager style at all...
He's worth 30-40 as a CB, with his experience.Caf: Maguire is a donkey
Also Caf: £20m? That’s an insult to Maguire!
Well if the fee is lower maybe they can keep up with his wages. It’s his last payday anyway, can’t see Saudi team in for him after this as he’s not that marketable so he would milk it and for him personally rightfully should as we were stupid enough to give him that contract.I hear you on him staying at United for 200k a week, especially as 4th choice cb but that's a historical issue that takes a bit of time to get ironed out.
I dont see West Ham or any other team giving him 200k a week regardless of the fee. For him it's either stay at dont play or move and take a wage cut. Euros are next year, we will see what's important to him. A few million or gaining some respect back into his career. I do see West Ham paying 100 to 150k a week for him, but I've no evidence to back that up and purely an assumption. He would do well there.
Why? As I said a lower fee would help them match the wages. We’ve seen it with a lot of players that changed clubs for below the market value as they were on high salary, old etc..Somewhat contradictory statements there.
125k is not 200k though. It’s almost double.Danny feckin Ings is on 125k a week and you're telling me they'll only pay Maguire 100k . They can afford to match his wage if they really want him and they can certainly afford to pay more for him..
West Ham with a big Swag bag after selling Rice for extortionate fee go around low balling everyone for their players……might be a difficult transfer market for WH and Moysey!20 MILLION? Feck off. If it was us trying to buy one of their players we'd be starting at 70million
No double is 250k, not sure what math you're rocking but it's wrong and Ings isn't their top earner, he's not a current England international, plus he's also older than Maguire.Why? As I said a lower fee would help them match the wages. We’ve seen it with a lot of players that changed clubs for below the market value as they were on high salary, old etc..
125k is not 200k though. It’s almost double.
I said almost double and isn’t Maguire on bigger wage nowadays due to a clause that got triggered as we qualified for CL?No double is 250k, not sure what math you're rocking but it's wrong and Ings isn't their top earner, he's not a current England international, plus he's also older than Maguire.
Almost isn't 50,000 out, we're not talking millions. His clause boosted his wage to 200k.I said almost double and isn’t Maguire on bigger wage nowadays due to a clause that got triggered as we qualified for CL?
Maguire is also a defender, not a forward and defenders usually get paid less than midfielders and strikers.
Starting bid £20m end up paying £25m-30m would be good business I suppose. They got a couple of weeks to make it happen at least we now know they are interested£25m is fair for me, considering the wage he'll be demanding. We really don't need him hanging around as our 5th choice CB next season. Former Captain Maguire ..