Maguire | he stays!

Bebestation said:
I want him gone but if i was him id also think my performances could improve after a new GK to De Gea.
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Maguire and De Gea were a toxic combo, both of them lacking in confidence and feeding into each others jitters.

With one of them gone, the other improves. It’s just we rarely (if at all?) saw Maguire with no De Gea last season.

I’d rather we sold him and found someone better, but who is out there and affordable?
 
Better bin this guy, so I don't hear it was De Gea who kept him from showing he was world class.
 
He is going nowhere with the ridiculous wages he is on that he will not get anywhere else. Easy for him to sit tight and laugh all the way to the bank.
 
Ted Lasso said:
If Onana joins that genuinely makes Harry less of a liability.
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if anything a proactive goalkeeper means we’d adopt a much higher line which would make Maguire more of a liability.
 
It’s shame he appears happy to waste another season of not playing much. He’s third choice for right CB, and should be desperate to leave but maybe there’s not much interest.
 
sugar_kane said:
Maguire and De Gea were a toxic combo, both of them lacking in confidence and feeding into each others jitters.

With one of them gone, the other improves. It’s just we rarely (if at all?) saw Maguire with no De Gea last season.

I’d rather we sold him and found someone better, but who is out there and affordable?
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That’s true, but on the other hand, Maguire’s ability with defensive headers from corners also helped compensate for one of DDG’s biggest weaknesses. So if we have a keeper who is able to command his box, that ability will be less important.

IMO, the toxic combo is/was Maguire and Lindelof. I feel like I’ve lost weeks watching them endlessly pass sideways to each other. If both are still going to be here this season I never want to see them on the pitch together.
 
The Dane said:
If anyone was ever in need of a proof of the incompetence of the people in charge of United
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I reckon over half the caf were against that transfer, it was so obvious he was nowhere near the level the club thought he was. I’m shocked how bad he’s been but I knew he was an average to good player at best.

In the rare events the caftards are in unison but the club can’t see it, you know we’re doomed. For example we simply cannot buy Pickford.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s shame he appears happy to waste another season of not playing much. He’s third choice for right CB, and should be desperate to leave but maybe there’s not much interest.
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He's genuinely 6th choice.
 
Just maneuvering for a payoff from the club surely. It must be obvious to him he has no future here.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s shame he appears happy to waste another season of not playing much. He’s third choice for right CB, and should be desperate to leave but maybe there’s not much interest.
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He's in Southgate's plans so he doesn't need to rush into finding a new club. He can still collect a big wage and just keep himself fit for the internationals. Maybe people will forget his blunders if he only plays for England.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s shame he appears happy to waste another season of not playing much. He’s third choice for right CB, and should be desperate to leave but maybe there’s not much interest.
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That’s what happens when you’re getting such a high wage. You’re happy sitting on the bench for another season, especially if you know you’re guaranteed a place in the England team which he is. If he has to fight for his place then no doubt he’d want to leave to get game time.
 
Berbaclass said:
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Guy is delusional. He is 30 years old, he is not suddenly going to massively improve to the point where he jumps 2-3 spots in the pecking order. Especially not since he is really lacking pace, and that is major tactical reason for not playing him.

If he truly wanted to help the club, he'd sign with another team, which would clear some salary budget and resolve the captaincy situation (admittedly not a huge deal).
 
sugar_kane said:
Maguire and De Gea were a toxic combo, both of them lacking in confidence and feeding into each others jitters.

With one of them gone, the other improves. It’s just we rarely (if at all?) saw Maguire with no De Gea last season.

I’d rather we sold him and found someone better, but who is out there and affordable?
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That is actually a very good point. Gives me some hope I guess.
 
I was a sceptic from the day he signed but even I think he’ll look better if being babysat by lucho & with a keeper that will take certain decisions away from him.

I reckon he’ll go very late in the window, just need Everton or West Ham to concede 3 or 4 in a game before the window closes.
 
Also it’s not like Ricardo Carvalho is some sort of bastion of defence. He’s hardly spending a week with Maldini or Baresi.
 
Laurencio said:
I mean, fair play to him. Gotta respect his desire, but he really should seriously consider moving - because he most likely won't get any games.
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If he stays, he'll feature in 30+ games, including sub appearances. It's a long season, 4 competitions and injuries happen. He got 31 games last year remember.
 
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...the hate United's 4-5th choice CB gets is bizarre.
 
No one is hating on the guy for training hard. People are frustrated with this whole ‘fight for my place’ shtick, when it’s clearly a lost cause. He is essentially holding back squad development to be an overpaid back-up.
 
Adamsk7 said:
Also it’s not like Ricardo Carvalho is some sort of bastion of defence. He’s hardly spending a week with Maldini or Baresi.
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It’s not like benny McCarthy was some bastion of attacking
It’s not like arsene wenger was a bastion of anything
It’s not like Juergen klopp was a bastion of playing
Get my point?
 
Even if he does improve he'll always be a liability in a high line because of his lack of pace so what's the point?
 
golden_blunder said:
It’s not like benny McCarthy was some bastion of attacking
It’s not like arsene wenger was a bastion of anything
It’s not like Juergen klopp was a bastion of playing
Get my point?
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Ricardo Carvalho was also a brilliant defender in that first Chelsea machine Jose put together. Made Terry look better than he was.
 
I think it'd be foolish on his part to stay. I think theres a lot of teams and systems he'd do well in but Ten Hag's United isn't one of them. Even leaving aside the scrutiny and the non existant confidence theres no future scenario where Maguire is a first team player and Ten Hag isn't looking to replace him next time the window opens.
He'll have some offers this season from good level teams that wont match his wage but might pay it out over a longer contract. Them offers wont be there in 2 years time after sitting on our bench for 3 years, Lingard should be a cautionary tale to others.
 
Adamsk7 said:
Also it’s not like Ricardo Carvalho is some sort of bastion of defence. He’s hardly spending a week with Maldini or Baresi.
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He was a seriously good CB. Play style, more importantly, that Maguire could try and realistically emulate.
 
Ted Lasso said:
If Onana joins that genuinely makes Harry less of a liability.
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Scratching my head trying to work out the logic behind your idea here.

I don't see Onana offering any mitigation. He's going to want to give the defenders the ball in risky positions which Harry takes ages to deal with. He's going to suit playing high so he can goalkeep proactively. If anything it could exacerbate the issues and place more scrutiny on HM.
 
Laurencio said:
I mean, fair play to him. Gotta respect his desire, but he really should seriously consider moving - because he most likely won't get any games.
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Why do we assume he would be bothered if he doesn't get as many games. Perhaps he just wants to stay in England and enjoy his salary. He is at the tail end of his career and looking forward to "retirement".
 
Abraxas said:
Scratching my head trying to work out the logic behind your idea here.

I don't see Onana offering any mitigation. He's going to want to give the defenders the ball in risky positions which Harry takes ages to deal with. He's going to suit playing high so he can goalkeep proactively. If anything it could exacerbate the issues and place more scrutiny on HM.
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From everything I've seen of Onana (CL final in full and YouTube highlights, so take my opinion with a very big grain of salt ) , he's quite good at taking the ball and getting it straight to midfield or the forwards. As opposed to your more average "ball playing " GK who is good at getting the ball to fullbacks or CBs in tough situations.

So I see this being a case where, under pressure Maguire just bricks it back to Onana who can handle it. And then in situations where Onana has the ball he has the ability and composure to bypass our backline and Maguire specifically in entirety.

If he's good enough to do it to Manchester City in a Champions League final, I have to think it's going to be manageable for him when we play lesser sides, matches where Maguire might actually be playing.
 
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