Maguire | he stays!

Devil You Know said:
Completely agree.

The guy got hate from day 1 because of how much Woodward spent on him. For some reason, a contingent of our fans never forgave Maguire for what somebody else did, and have taken pleasure in him failing to prove that it was bad business to begin with.

I think Maguire should leave because his confidence is shot and he's on a hiding to nothing at United. But he's obviously good enough to be our 4th choice, so I wouldn't mind too much if he stays because of other budgetary constraints.

Wanting to punish him for having a contract is childish at best.
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For some reason people always blame the player for the transfer fee. But then also blame the player if they prefer to sit out their contracts. The transfer fee hate alone would be plenty reason to aim for free transfers. That's the only control a player really has on how much a club spends on buying out your contract at another club, unless you have an agent who knows how to fight for your contract rights and a lower release clause, but then you'll also get hate for falling in the hands of a fiendish agent.

In comparison, club chairpeople got it pretty good, because they can always hide behind 'no one is bigger than the club' while they actually can influence much more of what players are cursed at over. They can even get a manager to exile a player for treating the contract the way it was agreed on.
 
Kaos said:
The dropping him to the reserves bit is ridiculously OTT I agree.

But if it reaches a point where there are concrete offers for him and he doesn't want to go, it should be made clear to him that there are no plans for him to get gametime here. If it involves dropping him from match day squads to really propel him to leave, then so be it. The club needs to generate funds from sales in order to fund signings we desperately need, and I'll be damned if Maguire compromises that with his delusional desire to stay and fight for his place as 5th choice CB. There's admirable, then there's being full on delusional to the point of costing the club - Maguire firmly sits in the latter category.
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Correct if we get offers and he doesn't go then 100% drop him from the match day squad but anything beyond that is punishment for nothing.

He does have delusions though I must admit, that or he's incredibly stubborn.
 
Son said:
He’s not the biggest issue one bit. If he stays it’s not that bad at all if we get a sweeper keeper finally. He’s 4th choice and has more qualities than McTomminay or VDB for example. He’s a far better footballer than either of those.

Hell I would argue he’s a better footballer than Antony and Sancho as well considering they’ve done absolutely nothing so far in a United shirt from the wing.

De Gea put so much pressure on his game given he doesn’t help Maguire’s lack of pace staying in net all the time.

Never mind the distribution from De Gea was shocking too. Maguire I feel can do a decent job with a more pro active keeper.

Not my main issue with the squad at all. As far as backups go he did just fine last season. Kept many clean sheets.
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Actual skills and qualities aside, when he steps in the pitch our defense just gets nervous. I don't know if that is a temporary thing but this is how it is. He isn't that bad, but he really doesn't inspire confidence as a squad CB.
 
Devil You Know said:
Somebody has to be 4th choice. I don't see why it's shameless to be a Manchester United squad player.
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Id rather it be one of the youth team than Maguire. I get why Bale done it at Madrid, he loved the weather and had already completed football so it didnt leave much else left for him to accomplish. Maguire has won the league cup and believes staying even as a bit part player is enough for him to pad his medal haul. United will be winning more trophies now with a better team and as a squad player it seems this is why he wants to be a part of it.
Southgate still picks him as a starter every game which bemuses me no end, hes not a regular for United why is he for England? Happened with previous players trying to get into the England squad, excuse was they didn't play regularly enough to deserve to be called up, never mind picked to start each game.
 
Devil You Know said:
Completely agree.

The guy got hate from day 1 because of how much Woodward spent on him. For some reason, a contingent of our fans never forgave Maguire for what somebody else did, and have taken pleasure in him failing to prove that it was bad business to begin with.

I think Maguire should leave because his confidence is shot and he's on a hiding to nothing at United. But he's obviously good enough to be our 4th choice, so I wouldn't mind too much if he stays because of other budgetary constraints.

Wanting to punish him for having a contract is childish at best.
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He has been defended by a large section of our support a lot more than other players tbf. It became almost cult like to defend his performances.

He is a terrible footballer, nowhere near the level of a top 4 side and even if we had got him on a free I would have found it just as frustrating that he has played as much as he has.

He certainly shouldn't be punished if he wants to stay either. The only time you want to see Maguire is in the cups against lower league opposition.
 
Devil You Know said:
Completely agree.

The guy got hate from day 1 because of how much Woodward spent on him. For some reason, a contingent of our fans never forgave Maguire for what somebody else did, and have taken pleasure in him failing to prove that it was bad business to begin with.

I think Maguire should leave because his confidence is shot and he's on a hiding to nothing at United. But he's obviously good enough to be our 4th choice, so I wouldn't mind too much if he stays because of other budgetary constraints.

Wanting to punish him for having a contract is childish at best.
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What? No he didn't. In fact, there was comparisons between VVD and Maguire in his first season at United, he improved us massively when we were playing counter attacking football, he was that good, we were all wishing he'd be rushed back from injury for the EL final (which we lost) because we were worried about our defence and didn't fancy our chances without him. Maguire's first season at United made the fee look justified.

It's only since we changed to a more progressive style of play that Maguire's limitations have been highlighted, and man, there's a big list of limitations. The reason he gets hate is because whenever he's on the pitch he incites panic in his own team and 9 times out of 10 he makes a mistake that usually costs us.

He's comfortably our 5th choice CB at this point, and that's behind Shaw playing CB also. There's no place for him in this team unfortunately for him.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Drop him to the reserves, don't take him on the tour - You lot are ridiculous.

Look he ain't good enough for Manchester United, that is clear. But you can't punish him for nothing, he has to have done something WRONG to be banged in the reserves or left from the squad tour - In doing so I reckon the club could be up for some form of punishment themselves, he has employment rights such as the rest of us. Could you imagine your place of work sticking you on toilet duties and not offering you the same opportunities, you'd have a field day.
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He's not being punished for nothing, he's facing the consequences of not being good enough for our first team, and refusing to leave for first team football elsewhere. That's the nature of football.

The club's obligation is to pay him his agreed wages which they are doing, and presumably to provide him some sort of training facilities. We have no obligation to let him play with the first team just because he'll be upset if they don't.
 
I am surprised club like West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton and Wolves didn't show any interest. Maguire style suit their game. He is England's No.1 CB. Surely, some club in England will be interested?
 
Son said:
De Gea put so much pressure on his game given he doesn’t help Maguire’s lack of pace staying in net all the time.

Never mind the distribution from De Gea was shocking too. Maguire I feel can do a decent job with a more pro active keeper.
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son, this is history revisionism right here. When it comes to distribution, Maguire was always our weakest link, and he is the one who made it worse for the rest.
Yes, DDG's limited ability didn't help, McT's hiding didn't help, but god damn, the x factor was always Maguire's composure.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I am surprised club like West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton and Wolves didn't show any interest. Maguire style suit their game. He is England's No.1 CB. Surely, some club in England will be interested?
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His wages is probably the issue along with his willingness to leave
 
Dominos said:
He's not being punished for nothing, he's facing the consequences of not being good enough for our first team, and refusing to leave for first team football elsewhere. That's the nature of football.

The club's obligation is to pay him his agreed wages which they are doing, and presumably to provide him some sort of training facilities. We have no obligation to let him play with the first team just because he'll be upset if they don't.
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I never once mentioned he has to play... Find me a time a player has been dropped from the first team squad (which means more than matches... Training, eating, etc..) for anything outside of a punishable offence.

He has a right to train, eat and mingle with the first team as that is what he is contractually signed to.

Also refusing to leave, when was there a bid? Oh wait nothing but rumours as per.
 
Cassidy said:
His wages is probably the issue along with his willingness to leave
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We can sell him cheaper to offset his high wages for the new club. We must also be super clear to him that he needs to move if he still wants to be England No.1 CB.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I am surprised club like West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton and Wolves didn't show any interest. Maguire style suit their game. He is England's No.1 CB. Surely, some club in England will be interested?
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They probably are interested but get quoted £55m by United.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
We can sell him cheaper to offset his high wages for the new club. We must also be super clear to him that he needs to move if he still wants to be England No.1 CB.
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How can we make that clear? Southgate will still pick him for England even when he's not playing
 
Edwards6 said:
How can we make that clear? Southgate will still pick him for England even when he's not playing
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It won't be long. He can't be his club 5th choice CB if he wants to play for England. He knows it. If ETH make it clear that he is not in his plan for next season I think Maguire will move on.
 
I think ten Hag has offered him some encouragement of staying due to a lack of credible suitors that would be willing to pay the asking price.

The only team I can see paying it is West Ham once they've sold Rice but they'll pay Maguire nowhere near what he's on now.
 
Cassidy said:
His wages is probably the issue along with his willingness to leave
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If he is pushing towards staying i hope he will stay 5th choice and lose his national team starting place. You get what you deserve
 
RopersReturn said:
It had been rumoured that we were about to pay him off, for the reported sum of £10m?
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I know that Murtough is not a DOF with good track record. But surely he will be able to sell England No.1 CB instead of paying him off? This is ridiculous.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I know that Murtough is not a DOF with good track record. But surely he will be able to sell England No.1 CB instead of paying him off? This is ridiculous.
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You’d have thought so, even if it meant looking abroad, maybe AS Roma? Trouble is he’s still under contract till at least 2025.
 
If you're a club looking to buy Maguire, I think it's sensible to wait before putting in an offer. And I think that is what will end up happening. He's reported to be on £190k a week, which isn't as bad as some of the other contracts negotiatiated by Matt Judge who was the head of contract/transfer negotiations until the end of the summer transfer window in 2023.

I think there's a possibility Sancho leaves as well, but that will likely depend on if the owner's subsidise his wages which were negotiated by Matt Judge. And the same applies to Martial.
 
RopersReturn said:
You’d have thought so, even if it meant looking abroad, maybe AS Roma? Trouble is he’s still under contract till at least 2025.
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Italy is a good shout. Even Smalling is doing very well there. Serie A is less intense and the speed is generally slower. I think Maguire can be a top CB in Serie A.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Italy is a good shout. Even Smalling is doing very well there. Serie A is less intense and the speed is generally slower. I think Maguire can be a top CB in Serie A.
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He will look like a world class player for Inter. Skriniar and D'Ambrosini are gone. They need bodies in their defense.

Straight swap with Onana, or we can add Greenwood or Mejbri as loanees.

Perfect transfer if you ask me.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I know that Murtough is not a DOF with good track record. But surely he will be able to sell England No.1 CB instead of paying him off? This is ridiculous.
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Exactly. Surely it’s better to sell at a much reduced £5-£10 million than paying him off at £10 million?
 
I don’t think the £10m rumour was us paying him off and releasing him on a free. There’s no chance that’d happen. I reckon it was the estimated difference between what another club might be willing to pay him and what he is currently on (over the remainder of his contract). Unless he agrees to disregard the difference or puts in a formal request to leave, I think he’s technically able to drag his heels and be paid it by us. Same applies for any player.

Another reason to be sensible in the contracts we offer, unlike the Woodward/Judge days.
 
Mas Risky said:
He will look like a world class player for Inter. Skriniar and D'Ambrosini are gone. They need bodies in their defense.

Straight swap with Onana, or we can add Greenwood or Mejbri as loanees.

Perfect transfer if you ask me.
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I'm praying that this will happen. Get rid of Maguire and get Onana in. This is perfect for the team style of play next season.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I am surprised club like West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton and Wolves didn't show any interest. Maguire style suit their game. He is England's No.1 CB. Surely, some club in England will be interested?
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210k is what he'll want wages wise. Unless we agree to subsidise his wages he's going nowhere. Blame Ed Woodward, he was the one sanctioning all these deals.
 
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