Maguire | he stays!

Very risky for Maguire. He could now be frozen out of the team, or made to train with reserves/U21s. He was already going to get very little playing time and with the European Championships coming up after this season this could affect his England position.

Is he right to ask Utd to pay out what he is owed? Probably, but the long term risk for his career is massive. He won't get anywhere near the money we were paying him ever again and his value will continue to go down (along with wages at any new club) and he could end up in a situation like De Gea. No one will touch him due to wage demands.
 
Blood Mage said:
I really don't blame him for recognising that he'll never make this kind of money again and that he's approaching his twilight years. It's smart for him to dig his heels and stay put just as it was for Jones.

The blame lies with people like Ed Woodward and the other clowns handing out contracts at this club.
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Oh yeah really helps us him digging his heels in when we are so strapped for cash
 
FerociousCorgis said:
see i hate that argument, because players cant have it both ways. There are many times when a player wants a move away, but they are still under contract. It goes both ways. So for me both sides need to be realistic, but i really dont get maguire as a realistic guy. Still remember him celebrating some little nothing goal against one of the euro trash minnows as if he had just vindicated himself or something
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Maguire doesn't want it both ways though. He signed a contract and wants to get paid.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
see i hate that argument, because players cant have it both ways. There are many times when a player wants a move away, but they are still under contract. It goes both ways. So for me both sides need to be realistic, but i really dont get maguire as a realistic guy. Still remember him celebrating some little nothing goal against one of the euro trash minnows as if he had just vindicated himself or something
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It does go both ways. A player can't force a move away unless the move also benefits the club. Look at Caicedo and Brighton. He's been itching for a move for over a season. Until recent, Brighton told him to feck off. Only when Chelsea came with a record breaking fee, did Brighton allow the move to happen. Look at Kane and Tottenham.

Contract. Contract. Contract.
 
Wilt said:
De Jong wasn’t wanted at Barcelona. He refused to leave because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
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They aren't the same at all, Barca owed him unpaid wages for time he had already given them...

We've never withheld wage payement from Maguire and he's only owed the money as long as he's under employment with the club

Maguire is effectively holding the club random to compensate for lower wages elsewhere for accepting a move.

We didn't have to pay anyone else off for leaving this summer did we...
 
adexkola said:
It does go both ways. A player can't force a move away unless the move also benefits the club. Look at Caicedo and Brighton. He's been itching for a move for over a season. Until recent, Brighton told him to feck off. Only when Chelsea came with a record breaking fee, did Brighton allow the move to happen. Look at Kane and Tottenham.

Contract. Contract. Contract.
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Fecked off beyond belief with this
 
Wilt said:
De Jong wasn’t wanted at Barcelona. He refused to leave because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
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While I do think it's fine and indeed normal to pay Maguire 'some' of the difference between what we are paying him and what West Ham will pay him, it's really not the same situation as De Jong.

De Jong took a significant paycut in his first couple of seasons to help out his club with their financial woes, with the agreement that he would then get that money paid back to him in the last few years of his contract. Barca happily took those years of low wages, then did pretty much everything they could to force him out before they had to give him the wages that he'd deferred. It was utterly morally bankrupt from Barca and I would have been disgusted with the clubs behaviour if I was a fan. It wasn't the wages that Frenkie was still to earn, it was effectively the wages that the club already owed him for his time he'd already been at the club, taking advantage of a player who'd tried to help them out by deferring those wages to a later date.
 
Ah well. Thought it was a long shot they'd sell him a few weeks ago, so not really that bothered by this.
 
bond19821982 said:
@AneRu Still think we should have taken a short term funding to get Kim and pack Maguire later? Stick to what you know mate. Leave the Financials to professionals.

@croadyman was the other one who criticized the club for not going for Kim because apparently we aren't serious enough . We can always sell Maguire later, right.

right @edcunited1878 ?
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Not entirely sure of your angle, but a few folks, including those you've rightly called out have this strange narrative that financing and getting transfers are so easy.

The fact that Kim was not pursued by anyone else and didn't have concrete negotiations aside from Bayern shows how much Kim focused on Bayern and that's fine. Every other club missed out on him because it was the player who wasn't interested in the other clubs.
 
JB7 said:
So you didn't take a huge pay cut if you now work considerably less hours :lol:

And for a northerner, with a young family, settled not too far from their own families, moving to London probably is a huge downgrade in terms of his life comfortability. I'm a normal person and nobody could pay me enough to live near London.
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You're arguing about what you would want now. The other poster has a point – he 'traded down' so to speak. Sure Maguire won't be putting in less hours, but the expectations would be far lower at West Ham, much less pressure. So the two situations are similar.

If Harry wants to be a total mercenary and play it by the letter of his contract he can, doesn't mean people can't see that for what it is – greed over self-respect and legacy.
 
Solius said:
Express your disdain for the player if you want but please try to stay away from vitriolic things like calling a player cancer, calling them a cnut or asking fans to go to a players house to hound them out of the club. Be civilised normal people please. Thank you.
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Do agree, though think you’re asking a lot here.
 
croadyman said:
Not bothered are you actually kidding me when we are desperate for sales to fund signings
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Not really. As I said it was a longshot to get him sold given his age wages and performances (or lack thereof). That we even agreed a sale prior to it going south was a miracle.
 
I think United are right to hold firm on the payment to Maguire. Getting essentially £23M for Maguire is simply not worth it and it sets a dangerous precedent. Why exactly should we pay off a player to leave who has shown they aren't good enough? Given that most players that leave the club move downwards, you'll have everyone wanting a handout to leave the club.

Maguire has a lot to lose here. Its the Euros next year, he'll easily keep his place if he's playing every week but midtable, but if he's sat on the bench all season at United apart from away games vs Leyton Orient in the cup or whatever, he may not. So he may well yet change his mind.
 
Kaos said:
Because he was owed that in deferred wages. Maguire is just being a greedy little git thinking he's entitled to millions to leave because no other club would be stupid enough to give him the ridiculous wages we have (thanks Ed).
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He's literally entitled to it by the contract.

He might be completely lacking anything that would inspire a fan, but he does have a contract.
 
I’ve given Maguire the time of day, but if this is true then he can get fecked.

Fire him into the U18s and let him rot there.
 
quadrant said:
I think United are right to hold firm on the payment to Maguire. Getting essentially £23M for Maguire is simply not worth it and it sets a dangerous precedent. Why exactly should we pay off a player to leave who has shown they aren't good enough? Given that most players that leave the club move downwards, you'll have everyone wanting a handout to leave the club.

Maguire has a lot to lose here. Its the Euros next year, he'll easily keep his place if he's playing every week but midtable, but if he's sat on the bench all season at United apart from away games vs Leyton Orient in the cup or whatever, he may not. So he may well yet change his mind.
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They are not right at all we are SKINT and need to sign two midfielders before the rest are over the hills and away in this league
 
ScarleyUtd said:
You're arguing about what you would want now. The other poster has a point – he 'traded down' so to speak. Sure Maguire won't be putting in less hours, but the expectations would be far lower at West Ham, much less pressure. So the two situations are similar.

If Harry wants to be a total mercenary and play it by the letter of his contract he can, doesn't mean people can't see that for what it is – greed over self-respect and legacy.
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I made a comment on what I would do, that doesn't render any of this - And for a northerner, with a young family, settled not too far from their own families, moving to London probably is a huge downgrade in terms of his life comfortability - any less accurate. I just don't see how you people seem to be holding this against him, he's essentially being sold without really wanting to go and offered a huge pay decrease by the new club, he is perfectly entitled to expect a pay-off from United (it's very common for players to receive pay-offs when leaving clubs, it's just not usually newsworthy). This is on United and their previous ridiculous wage policy.
 
While I'd loathe to pay off Maguire, lets be honest £23 million for him is decent and we can finally close this chapter.
 
m1tch said:
Schweinsteiger him
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He was much more professional than Maguire ever has been. Jose chose to axe him, he then trained his way back into the squad and had decent performances...granted the competition for places at the time weren't the best, but he grafted. Schweinsteiger was much more past his prime than Harry is now....just that Harry doesn't want to accept that he's not good enough for the highest end of football and leaving it means he'll never get back to it.

It's a hard truth that is being magnified because he is English and plays for United.
 
Wilt said:
De Jong wasn’t wanted at Barcelona. He refused to leave because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference? (other than one being a very good footballer)
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One is deferred wages.

The other are future earnings contingent on you still being employed by the club. Earnings that don't apply if you're bought out of said contract.
 
Kag said:
I’ve given Maguire the time of day, but if this is true then he can get fecked.

Fire him into the U18s and let him rot there.
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Doubt his contract would allow him to be played in the U18’s, reseves etc.
 
spiriticon said:
While I'd loathe to pay off Maguire, lets be honest £23 million for him is decent and we can finally close this chapter.
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Yeah that's the smart thing to do and get Todibo/Pavard with the money. Sadly doesn't solve the two midfield issues but there you go
 
I still think this will get done by the end of the week and he’ll go to West Ham after all this silly drama, especially when we are probably going to sign Pavard
 
TheLord said:
There is no point lashing out at Maguire. He is entitled to receive whatever is mentioned in the contract. Clubs happily sign contracts and then try to shove players away when they’re not good enough.

The new West Ham contract, if he signs it, will be final one before he retires. He is being forced to play for West Ham where he has no chance of winning anything and has been asked to take a paycut on top of that. All that for the increased chance of playing in the Euros! Doesn't sound interesting. Pay him the 7m and get done with it.
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He is being 'forced' to play for West Ham because he has been crap when he has tried to play as the manager wants him to , nothing more and nothing less.

The chance of losing his England place might change his mind, although Southgate seems to pick any old shite as long as he likes them, whether they are playing regularly or not.
 
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