Maguire | he stays!

golden_blunder said:
I don’t get why so many are behaving like it’s a new concept in football. Unbelievable
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Indeed. These type of things are fairly normal when a player is expected to earn less, the only contentious point in these cases is how performance related bonuses are compensated and whether the selling club pays through a severance package or if they accept less money from the buyer who then compensate the player however both sides decided.

I remember a case of a player who was paid the same wage until the end of his current contract and had his "new" salary after it.
 
It was a huge sticking point for DeJong last summer, Barca were prepared to sell but they wouldn’t give him money owed. Instead they wanted United to pay it and United refused.
From DeJongs perspective it worked out and he got to stay
 
roseguy64 said:
Big clubs pay big money for players and they don't work out all the time. Just look at the list of current biggest money transfers. Nothing unusual.
Expecting it not to happen will just have you constantly in a bad mood.
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I was just pointing out that there has been since Maguire and will be long after he has gone, big money signing failures.
 
Judging from ETH latest press conference I honestly dont think ETH really want him to be sold this summer cause as bad as Maguire has been we need to offload some midfielders, get a new one (like Amrabat), and perhaps another experienced ST first before thinking about signing a new CB. Now we are forced to sign a new CB, not that i mind if we can get Pavard in without getting rinsed by Bayern.
 
golden_blunder said:
Again, he didn’t come into the summer thinking I want to move. It’s driven by United so they need to find the compromise. It’s common practice
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I thought when reading ETH's comments about Maguire this morning that it was possibly linked in some way to the compensation that is trying to be agreed. If he had come out and said outright that he wasn't in the plans at all then it would have given Maguire and his agent all the bargaining power.

With saying that he could stay and fight for his place and he theoretically could win it back and be a regular, if Maguire chooses to leave in the face of that it gives the club the angle to say it's his choice to leave. If it can be shown as his choice to leave, then the club have a lot more leverage to reduce any payment he's looking for.

Will undoubtedly come down to who blinks first. Maguire knows that he's not really got a shot of being a regular starter, so I reckon for his career he'll eventually accept a lower lump sum.
 
golden_blunder said:
It’s standard practice to get some kind of compensation to meet the difference in pay. The key point here is that United are effectively breaking the contract by choosing to sell him.
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I’m not sure you can go that far. Compensation will only sometimes come in, surely, depending on what is motivating the player. And the stance of the club as well.

The Yes, No, How Much Compensation, is a negotiation like any other. If Maguire actually wants to move and play first team football then he might accept £0 compensation. If he’s not that fussed then it’ll be a compromise. If he just doesn’t want to leave, he could demand full compensation and a pay rise.

No-one could blame him for doing whatever he thinks is best for himself. It’s a short career in terms of earnings but also in terms of opportunities to achieve. Not rotting on the bench would be worth more than money to some players.
 
GlasgowRedz said:
Will undoubtedly come down to who blinks first. Maguire knows that he's not really got a shot of being a regular starter, so I reckon for his career he'll eventually accept a lower lump sum.
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That’s why it is crucial for ETH to not include Maguire in the match day squad today. Put Evans or Mengi on the bench, or even Eric Bailly
 
justsomebloke said:
It's hardly standard practice to be fully compensated when you change clubs and get a smaller contract?
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Yes it is. Legally the club and player are bound by that contract. For whatever reason that United’s name gets dragged into these stories, which creates hysteria even though it is standard practice amongst all players changing clubs with a reduction in wages.
 
moses said:
He doesn't have to sacrifice anything.
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He is not going to live on the streets. He is getting a 4 year contract worth 5.2m pounds a year with Westham (21m total in 4 years). He is not the first professional in the world to lower his wages a bit to have a better career.
 
Giggsyking said:
He is not going to live on the streets. He is getting a 4 year contract worth 5.2m pounds a year with Westham (21m total in 4 years). He is not the first professional in the world to lower his wages a bit to have a better career.
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He wouldn't be the first to sit tight and run down his contract. So, he doesn't have to sacrifice anything he doesn't want to.
 
Giggsyking said:
He is not going to live on the streets. He is getting a 4 year contract worth 5.2m pounds a year with Westham (21m total in 4 years). He is not the first professional in the world to lower his wages a bit to have a better career.
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He's 30. He can't wait around and look for a project.

Conference League aside, the chances of West Ham winning anything are virtually 0. Whereas if he stays at United, he might actually pick up a medal or two as a sub in the next couple of years.

And England probably aren't winning anything as long as France are as strong as they are. Putting all his eggs in that basket would be foolish.

So going by your logic of Maguire making the most out of the limited time he has left in football, it would actually be best for him both financially and professionally to stay put at Old Trafford. Even if it's only as a passenger, he has more to gain than lose compared to moving to West Ham. He'd be taking his cue from Martial.
 
It's a few million dollars. Guaranteed (contracted as long as Maguire turns up for training, stays professional, and makes himself available for selection)... No matter how wealthy you are, it's still a feck-load of money.

Nobody here is unbiased... and everyone probably falls somewhere on the spectrum wrt the "morality" of Maguire demanding money legally owed to him..

Considering he's an athlete with a short shelf life, and a maximum of 3-4 years of playing time, I personally do not think he's in the wrong for looking out for himself. Clubs are notoriously "disloyal" to players and do not hesitate to sell 'em on. Expecting players to show "loyalty" is a little bit naive IMO.
 
moses said:
He wouldn't be the first to sit tight and run down his contract. So, he doesn't have to sacrifice anything he doesn't want to.
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He could refuse to go anywhere and just pick the paychecks for next 2 years. There is nothing United can do about it.
 
WHU interested in Aymeric Laporte as part of the Paqueta deal.
 
Giggsyking said:
He is not going to live on the streets. He is getting a 4 year contract worth 5.2m pounds a year with Westham (21m total in 4 years). He is not the first professional in the world to lower his wages a bit to have a better career.
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I think you, and many others, vastly overestimate the importance players generally place on the quality of their career.

As far as Maguire is concerned, he's earning a decent amount at United and that's guaranteed for the remainder of his contract.

West Ham can't match that, so unless United pay the difference, there's no incentive for him to move.

He probably fancies his chances of a similar move when his contract is up anyway, and that'll likely come with a nice signing on bonus too.
 
Pretty interesting that so many people are able to take the high ground when it's not their contract, their job or their life. Very easy to come out with stuff behind a keyboard with absolutely nothing riding on it while taking a dim view of someone else.

I don't see that he's doing anything "wrong." His position may be that he doesn't really want to leave Manchester United and is okay to compete for his place, rather than wanting to leave and trying to have his cake and eat it. Maybe he's saying that he will concede that the manager and club don't really want him and will move on if the club is inclined towards that, but to do that he doesn't want to take a hit on a contract we put in front of him and both parties signed. If it is the choice between losing out financially or staying, he may be saying he would rather stay. There isn't any real contradiction within that position whatsoever.

Ultimately, don't have a go at him for being reluctant to leave the best contract he'll ever have that all parties were all too happy to place ink on. A compromise is probable, but it's not Harry Maguire that's the bad guy, it's not his fault we paid too much for him both on transfer fee and wages and now we're scrambling to reach an acceptable financial package that sees his departure. It's all very much part of the same balls up made by Woodward and Ole and co. If we didn't pay 80 million we wouldn't be on our arse trying to get a book value, we probably would have been able to justify a more acceptable salary package rather than making him a record signing and having to follow through on that, and ultimately if we'd have scouted better in the first place we'd never even have proceeded. So it's our mess that is being cleaned up, not the players.
 
Abraxas said:
Pretty interesting that so many people are able to take the high ground when it's not their contract, their job or their life. Very easy to come out with stuff behind a keyboard with absolutely nothing riding on it while taking a dim view of someone else.

I don't see that he's doing anything "wrong." His position may be that he doesn't really want to leave Manchester United and is okay to compete for his place, rather than wanting to leave and trying to have his cake and eat it. Maybe he's saying that he will concede that the manager and club don't really want him and will move on if the club is inclined towards that, but to do that he doesn't want to take a hit on a contract we put in front of him and both parties signed. If it is the choice between losing out financially or staying, he may be saying he would rather stay. There isn't any real contradiction within that position whatsoever.

Ultimately, don't have a go at him for being reluctant to leave the best contract he'll ever have that all parties were all too happy to place ink on. A compromise is probable, but it's not Harry Maguire that's the bad guy, it's not his fault we paid too much for him both on transfer fee and wages and now we're scrambling to reach an acceptable financial package that sees his departure.
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I imagine the venn diagram of people slating Maguire for not just leaving because we want him to and the people slating Phil Jones for not just terminating his own contract is essentially a circle.
 
pcaming said:
Evans still has a contract?
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He has been added to the list of senior players a few days ago on official website, and not only Evans. Fred has been removed (although not Kovar - Matej is still listed as an U21 player so not yet officially sold).
 
Andy_Cole said:
Very different. De Jong had unpaid salary for days he actually worked. Maguire is asking for us to pay future earnings. Even though he could revive his career at another club. He’s the laughing stock of the world but I guess he has no self respect and is happy to stay here for a salary. Even with no football.
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If he isn't entitled to it then he won't get it...simples.
 
OrcaFat said:
I’m not sure you can go that far. Compensation will only sometimes come in, surely, depending on what is motivating the player. And the stance of the club as well.

The Yes, No, How Much Compensation, is a negotiation like any other. If Maguire actually wants to move and play first team football then he might accept £0 compensation. If he’s not that fussed then it’ll be a compromise. If he just doesn’t want to leave, he could demand full compensation and a pay rise.

No-one could blame him for doing whatever he thinks is best for himself. It’s a short career in terms of earnings but also in terms of opportunities to achieve. Not rotting on the bench would be worth more than money to some players.
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He might accept zero he might not. Really I was addressing those posters who were thinking this was a new thing and it was Maguire being greedy. My point is it’s not a new thing and he’s within his right to say how much compensation he wants.
 
Fr. Todd Unctious said:
Villa have confirmed Mings is out for a lengthy period. Last minute bid from Villa perhaps ? Would possibly suit Harold better to on a personal level
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And not help his career because he’d be going to a team walloped 5-1, trying to play a high line beside the Spanish equivalent of Lindelof. If he wants to regain some reputation go to WH and play to his strengths
 
Alemar said:
He has been added to the list of senior players a few days ago on official website, and not only Evans. Fred has been removed (although not Kovar - Matej is still listed as an U21 player so not yet officially sold).
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He has not been included in the list of squad numbers submitted to the PL so probably not going to be eligible and his contract has almost expired. MG was listed on the webiste for ages after suspension so don't read too much into that.
 
Cassidy said:
Its more certainly unreasonable to want to leave your current employment, but also want them to pay you for unearned wages.
The only president for that type of payout is a contract termination.
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But he didn’t instigate a leave, United did by accepting a bid
 
golden_blunder said:
He might accept zero he might not. Really I was addressing those posters who were thinking this was a new thing and it was Maguire being greedy. My point is it’s not a new thing and he’s within his right to say how much compensation he wants.
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I agree he’s entitled to anything he can get. We might say no to what he asks for but he doesn’t have to leave so, equally, it’s down to how much we want him out (which might not be as much as we’d assumed).

In this case I don’t think £0 compensation is on the cards at all but I do think he could end up staying; both parties could use the compensation issue as an excuse to back away from the transfer.
 
hobbers said:
Big question is will he be in the squad tonight
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Yeah. If not we can assume he’s going, surely.

But if he’s in, I won’t be surprised. It seemed like everything was agreed but I wonder if EtH has concerns about being able to get someone better within his budget.

Possibly there is a plan to help whoever has to come in when Varane can’t play; could be playing a different shape?
 
Enigma_87 said:
PSG accepted a bid for Mbappe but the aren’t covering one year of his wages.
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Two questions spring to mind there:
1 Would Mbappe be taking a cut?
2 Does Mbappe want to leave or stay at PSG?
Dynamic is probably quite different in that deal.
 
feck Maguire. When he’s out of contract in two years and barely played he won’t get anywhere near what even West Ham are offering. In 3/4 year blocks he’ll earn less in 4 years than moving now
 
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