Might be enough but also how it’s paid is equally important.
Maguire | he stays!
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Might be enough but also how it’s paid is equally important.
Pay off? He should be paying us.
And it would go the exact same way as Maguire and LindelofMaguire and Pau Torres at the back.
Could have been Ole's CB pairing
It's an empty, meaningless statement though.
Of course he's happy for him to stay if he can prove he's good enough, because that means he's good enough. He's also not going to say, "he's shit and we don't want him," when we're trying to flog him because it'll drive the price way down.
I understand its his right. But he he has to sacrifice a little bit to play football again, he can not have it both ways. He will be getting 6m severance instead of the rest of his 10m difference in wages but with the chance to preserve his place in the NT and play another season in Europe.
That’s your assumption. I’d say more likely we have offered less or want to pay in installments or something
No shit, but his agent simply has to negotiate the best severance package. Just saying “ok, I’ll take whatever cause I want to play” is fantasy land stuff.
He’ll go, but only after his agent has got him the best deal he thinks possible, and rightfully so.
Why are people such utter numpties regarding this?
Not pointing fingers at anyone but is it that different in essence with the speculated 17m€ in deferred wages that were due to de Jong by FC Barca ?
I feel people here last year were more sympathetic to the player in that hypothetical.
I feel people here last year were more sympathetic to the player in that hypothetical.
Common sense does not apply when Harry is involved.
There is a big difference in losing money which effectively is past due and that which is future income, FDJ was actually owed money which Barca wanted to get out of paying, Maguire is owed nothing but does not want to see his future income diminish.
I wouldn't blame Maguire if he decided to sit on his contract, I know we are talking the sort of money we cannot really even imagine but still why would anyone choose to lose money.
Christ alive, just get rid! I'm sick and tired of hearing about Harry Maguire! Damned the day we bought him.
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Very different. De Jong had unpaid salary for days he actually worked. Maguire is asking for us to pay future earnings. Even though he could revive his career at another club. He’s the laughing stock of the world but I guess he has no self respect and is happy to stay here for a salary. Even with no football.
Villa have confirmed Mings is out for a lengthy period. Last minute bid from Villa perhaps ? Would possibly suit Harold better to on a personal level
He's a stubborn feck, isn't he?
I would argue value for money wise, he's probably amongst our worst signings ever alongside Poggy.
I would argue value for money wise, he's probably amongst our worst signings ever alongside Poggy.
I would blame Maguire absolutely.
My last job I had back in 2018. I was planning on leaving to start my own business and hated the place. I had a kid on the way and I had the opportunity to use the companies great paternity leave and get full pay for 6 months. Loads of employees were trying to convince me to take it rinse the company. I didn’t because I wanted to move forward with my life and see the back of the company. I turned money away to grow as a person. It’s not all about money. Self worth is more important.
Pay this block of concrete off, if I hear another q about him in a presser I will drive up to Sheffield and throw a strop.
That’s an assumption of tweet author, not mine
Self-sabotage part of me nearly wishes he stayed, sat on the bench all season (or even better ETH doesn't select him for the bench and goes for Lindelof / Pavard? instead), then Maguire misses the Euro squad. Yes I am petty.
Yes there might some contractual difference that makes it different in nature though without knowing the particulars... And that's more akin to wage theft.
I know not everyone empathize with equating footballers to us simple workers but if my boss came up to me and said "Hey, so our competitor was interested in you, think you're cracking, your skills would do them good ! Gave us a big check to buy your contract. Would do us a solid if you accepted to move there, like, right now. Wages ? No, they're paying 40% less. But think of all the future earnings you could make with this opportunity." I might be a little miffed to be quite honest.
He should go and never ever be mentioned again
Or think of it this way: his confidence is so low due to be a laughing stock, that he is concerned his playing career days may be numbered. If he continues to be a flop at West Ham, his future salary after his new contract will be negligible. Getting his payoff from United may be important down the line.
At the time when we were signing Maguire everybody was saying it was a fee that should be reserved for an elite signing, he was good but not great at best, we all knew there was a huge risk paying a world record fee on a player who wasn't among the best in the world.
I can't say I blame him for not wanting to diminish his earnings especially when he's only got a few years left of his career. We need to be much more careful in the future when handing over long-term deals. I would say though surely he would want a fresh start to get back to playing first team football. Fans who boo their own players are a disgrace but it still happens in this modern society, surely that must destroy a person's self-belief.
I can't say I blame him for not wanting to diminish his earnings especially when he's only got a few years left of his career. We need to be much more careful in the future when handing over long-term deals. I would say though surely he would want a fresh start to get back to playing first team football. Fans who boo their own players are a disgrace but it still happens in this modern society, surely that must destroy a person's self-belief.
I don't understand why the club are stalling on this instead of just paying him the difference in wages over the next two seasons. I wouldn't expect anyone to accept less. Maybe it's about the payment terms, as he'd obviously want it now rather than in future.
So what do people think, we're seeing him on the bench today or not?
The massive turd that won’t flush.
No, and it'll be interesting to see who else is left out or not played but on the bench.
Is he gone yet?
In my book, that's known as shooting yourself in the foot. If the company were being tw@ts and you hated it, you had every right to rinse them. But I do understand the desire to wipe the slate clean and move on with a clear conscience.
Maguire's case is different, his performances have consistently fallen woefully short of the expected level at his pay grade, while others have shined. However they dress it up, an £80M mega signing has turned into a global laughing stock. If the reports of him wanting a bigger severance are true, he ought to hang his head in shame. Pure greed from somebody who is already a very, very wealthy individual, perhaps undeservingly so. Any other industry, he'd be laughed out of the CEO's office. Fortunately for him, the board need to claw back some of their losses.
pay the man, get shot and never make the same mistake again
We don’t have clarity on the status of Jonny Evans. If he is eligible for selection, then the answer would likely be “no”
He is not asking for more than he is due I didn't see what is greedy about it. United need to pay up and move on and stop offering silly contracts to average players.
His dues were contingent on him not resembling a clown every time he stepped on the pitch. You wouldn't get away with it in the real world.
It makes absolute sense for the club to want to pay less money upfront simply because of Time Value of Money. It's greedy for Maguire to want the full amount upfront.
Edit: Maguire's full contract of 190K/week (~30M over 3 years) in Present Value is worth ~25M assuming 10%p.a. inflation over the next 3 years. That's a 5M difference.
Edit: Maguire's full contract of 190K/week (~30M over 3 years) in Present Value is worth ~25M assuming 10%p.a. inflation over the next 3 years. That's a 5M difference.
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Not with the high line they were trying to play at the weekend! He would be lost.
Given their level of personal investment in the club, Joel and Avram can get a leg of Harry Maguire each. seems fair!
His severance pay relates to the difference between the offer at westham vs what he is earning in his current contract. So it would be under half of that amount.
Let's call it 10m. I would imagine there is a gap between what united want to give him vs what he wants. I just hope they sort it out. Doesn't make sense for either party for him to stay over a few million.
Oh yes of course and I agree that we shouldn't quibble over the 2M or so.
Well since then the club have made the same mistake with Sancho, and likely the same mistake with Antony and Mount.
I doubt the club will ever learn.
Strange to throw them all in the same sentence, especially Mount.