Why is it shameless? This is standard practice in football
Is it though. Are Chelsea paying off Koulibaly and Haveratz.
Also, there is a Euros next summer. Does he not want to play for Engurland. Is he happy to play only 7 or 8 games next season.
Ultimately if he wants his contract to be honoured then he has to stay at the club for the next 2 years. And as long as he doesn’t play in the first team then most fans won’t care.
Maguire has no leverage in this situation. It’s either move to West Ham or early retirement.
Harsh, he signed a contract with us where we guaranteed him £X for a set period. He’s not wrong to want to hold us to it, as annoying as it is.
Harsh, he signed a contract with us where we guaranteed him £X for a set period. He’s not wrong to want to hold us to it, as annoying as it is.
Of course they were, FDJ is wanted by a lot of fans and Maguire isn'tNot pointing fingers at anyone but is it that different in essence with the speculated 17m€ in deferred wages that were due to de Jong by FC Barca ?
I feel people here last year were more sympathetic to the player in that hypothetical.
Not pointing fingers at anyone but is it that different in essence with the speculated 17m€ in deferred wages that were due to de Jong by FC Barca ?
I feel people here last year were more sympathetic to the player in that hypothetical.
De Jong's wages were already earned but not received. Maguire wants a payout roughly equivalent to what he is owed on the rest of his contract.Not pointing fingers at anyone but is it that different in essence with the speculated 17m€ in deferred wages that were due to de Jong by FC Barca ?
I feel people here last year were more sympathetic to the player in that hypothetical.
No shit, but his agent simply has to negotiate the best severance package. Just saying “ok, I’ll take whatever cause I want to play” is fantasy land stuff.
He’ll go, but only after his agent has got him the best deal he thinks possible, and rightfully so.
Why are people such utter numpties regarding this?
That's the problem, he can stay and collect the money but the club wants him out. That's the club's problem, not his. Everyone insulting him and calling him names for wanting his money are delusional.Makes zero sense, the contract is predicated on him being a United player. If he leaves the contract is void
That's the problem, he can stay and collect the money but the club wants him out. That's the club's problem, not his. Everyone insulting him and calling him names for wanting his money are delusional.
Yeah you are a rare individual, if a competitor offered to double my wages no loyalty and if it was a choice of moving and losing money not a chanceI would blame Maguire absolutely.
My last job I had back in 2018. I was planning on leaving to start my own business and hated the place. I had a kid on the way and I had the opportunity to use the companies great paternity leave and get full pay for 6 months. Loads of employees were trying to convince me to take it rinse the company. I didn’t because I wanted to move forward with my life and see the back of the company. I turned money away to grow as a person. It’s not all about money. Self worth is more important.
That's the problem, he can stay and collect the money but the club wants him out. That's the club's problem, not his. Everyone insulting him and calling him names for wanting his money are delusional.
It’s his problem too, for as long as he doesn’t plan to retire in 2 years. Clearly United may afford to have him at Phil Jones status (ie outside registered squads). But he will find it hard to get new contract elsewhere in 2 years if it happens, especially good contractThat's the problem, he can stay and collect the money but the club wants him out. That's the club's problem, not his.
You are talking about deferred wages vs future wages.
There isn't a comparison here.
I'd say this depends very much on the particulars of those "deferred wages". If de Jong agreed to have a back loaded contract (whether when he signed or if he agreed to restructuring his contract during) -which was the impression I got from last year's discussion, though I doubt the exact verbiage of the contract is public for us-, I could be as legalistically stubborn "well he signed a deal of his own free will... Does he want to play football or not ?"
We have very binary discussions, as fans, about this whole business when in fact there's plenty of money not accounted for in reported transfer fees : wages, signing bonus, agent's commission, plenty of money to grease the cogs. I'd imagine those sort of deals are pretty common place while rarely reported in details. Wages get subsidized on many loans. A player being bought out of his contract to release him is not uncommon.
By far the best financial solution for United is to transfer him off for some compensation. This can only be done with his approval. Allegedly he'll only agree if he's made whole for the earnings (fully or partially) he'll get over the two next years if he stay put. I can't really blame him for leveraging his position. I don't know if I agree on the rationale of expected earnings either, but I don't think the train of thought is completely alien or unreasonable either.
Its more certainly unreasonable to want to leave your current employment, but also want them to pay you for unearned wages.
I might be wrong because I'm not in his head but I feel the club is more interested in him leaving than he was.
I understand its his right. But he he has to sacrifice a little bit to play football again, he can not have it both ways. He will be getting 6m severance instead of the rest of his 10m difference in wages but with the chance to preserve his place in the NT and play another season in Europe.
He signed a contract and United signed that contract. He did not ask to leave. United asked him to leave. United therefore are responsible for ensuring that he gets compensated for loss of earnings. He will also be entitled to any end of contract bonuses since he did not request to leave.Is it though. Are Chelsea paying off Koulibaly and Haveratz.
Also, there is a Euros next summer. Does he not want to play for Engurland. Is he happy to play only 7 or 8 games next season.
Ultimately if he wants his contract to be honoured then he has to stay at the club for the next 2 years. And as long as he doesn’t play in the first team then most fans won’t care.
Maguire has no leverage in this situation. It’s either move to West Ham or early retirement.
I too, am petty. I wouldn't mind this situation. I don't think the club should bend over backwards to pay him off.Self-sabotage part of me nearly wishes he stayed, sat on the bench all season (or even better ETH doesn't select him for the bench and goes for Lindelof / Pavard? instead), then Maguire misses the Euro squad. Yes I am petty.
It’s a negotiation. If United wants him to move on they should pay. If Harry wants to move on so he can play more than he should just accept lower wage.He signed a contract and United signed that contract. He did not ask to leave. United asked him to leave. United therefore are responsible for ensuring that he gets compensated for loss of earnings. He will also be entitled to any end of contract bonuses since he did not request to leave.
all standard practice.
We made the mistake of buying him and giving him that package so it's only fair we pay heavily for such a mistake. What's important for the club is just to move on from this debacle, what we will be losing on fees is just pennies (I know there are millions involved) because the benefit of having a proper back up/competition to Varane on half the wage will be immense in the long run. Paying him off 10m is worth it if we walk away from the deal with 20m and habing let go of a useless player on outrageous wages.I too, am petty. I wouldn't mind this situation. I don't think the club should bend over backwards to pay him off.
He signed a contract and United signed that contract. He did not ask to leave. United asked him to leave. United therefore are responsible for ensuring that he gets compensated for loss of earnings. He will also be entitled to any end of contract bonuses since he did not request to leave.
all standard practice.
He signed a contract and United signed that contract. He did not ask to leave. United asked him to leave. United therefore are responsible for ensuring that he gets compensated for loss of earnings. He will also be entitled to any end of contract bonuses since he did not request to leave.
all standard practice.
Yeah, many in here talking like they'd walk away from that amount of money without at least negotiating.If he's fulfilled his end of the contract, which he clearly has then it's up to the club to sufficiently compensate him, it's a sign of how badly we were run under Woodward that we're still dealing with the hangovers from paying premium wages to less than premium players over a sustained period of time.
Maguire will lose about 10 million quid in wages if he leaves us for West Ham, it's not hard to see why there might be a certain reluctance to lose that.
Big clubs pay big money for players and they don't work out all the time. Just look at the list of current biggest money transfers. Nothing unusual.Well since then the club have made the same mistake with Sancho, and likely the same mistake with Antony and Mount.
I doubt the club will ever learn.
Again, he didn’t come into the summer thinking I want to move. It’s driven by United so they need to find the compromise. It’s common practiceIt’s a negotiation. If United wants him to move on they should pay. If Harry wants to move on so he can play more than he should just accept lower wage.
Depends how you look at it - it’s clear now to him that his time at United is done from United perspective. From his perspective he wasn’t expecting or wanting to leave coming back for the new seasonToo much sense , but I think you are wrong in a sense that United are forcing Maguire out its more like Mutual decision to move on So though Maguire would definitely get a pay off but it would be more like some part of lost wages and similar in terms of Bonuses and there is nothing wrong in that some in Our fan base have lost all sense of perspective it seems if they think that's something to hold against Maguire .
It's hardly standard practice to be fully compensated when you change clubs and get a smaller contract?
It's hardly standard practice to be fully compensated when you change clubs and get a smaller contract?
Depends how you look at it - it’s clear now to him that his time at United is done from United perspective. From his perspective he wasn’t expecting or wanting to leave coming back for the new season
It’s standard practice to get some kind of compensation to meet the difference in pay. The key point here is that United are effectively breaking the contract by choosing to sell him.It's hardly standard practice to be fully compensated when you change clubs and get a smaller contract?
I’d expect soSurely we can find that compromise
Depends how you look at it - it’s clear now to him that his time at United is done from United perspective. From his perspective he wasn’t expecting or wanting to leave coming back for the new season
It’s standard practice to get some kind of compensation to meet the difference in pay. The key point here is that United are effectively breaking the contract by choosing to sell him.
It's hardly standard practice to be fully compensated when you change clubs and get a smaller contract?
I don’t get why so many are behaving like it’s a new concept in football. UnbelievableAye it’s pretty simply stuff.
He’d been an odd bloke if he just wrote off 10m quid. Unlike Rashford and the like who have been stars at big clubs since a young age, Maguire didn’t start making big big money until he moved to United.
At Leicester he was reportedly on 45k /week so it’s not like he’s swimming in riches like some players.
If United want him to leave, and it’s clear they do, and he feels it’s time to move, which it appears he does; a negotiated compromise will be made, where West Ham pay a little more, Maguire loses some future earnings and United pay 12-18 months of lost earnings.
