"Maybe our worst signing ever" but appearing in your best XI (2013-2021) is pretty inconsistent.
Maguire | he stays!
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Opinions change over time. I can't seriously believe you're holding on to what somebody said 2 years ago. In the two years since, Maguire's quality has dramatically fallen, even more so when you compare him to both Varane and Martinez, whilst even Lindelof has improved since then. He's even lost his place to Luke Shaw, a left back by trade.
Good/decent/alright, was he elite Manchester United level or "outstanding" though? i went overboard in defending and praising a player who was still getting a lot of ridicule even back then by saying he had an outstanding season in 20-21 when he was admittedly fantastic for England (i still maintain that he was) and now with the benefit of hindsight i don't think he was THAT great given our defensive issues that year and I think his first season was better as evidenced by our better defensive record in his first season. Am i not allowed to change my mind? I didn't say I now think he was dreadful in the 20-21 season either, just that i went overboard. Perhaps you'd like to dig up old posts saying that Anderson and Cleverly are the future of Manchester United's midfield or the Martial is the best striker in the league. Also your posts on Rashford and Ole are looking equally ridiculous too by the way
By the way here are my most recent posts regarding Maguire- hardly evidence of being super negative and saying he's totally awful:
I don't like the booing. He needs to leave for his own sake though, i doubt there's any coming back from this.
1 solid/decent first season, average second season and two catastrophic ones after that. 80 million
You're very welcome to trawl through a million Maguire threads and look for evidence of shit posting and being unfair. I genuinely don't remember ever criticizing him to the level of vitriol and abuse he's suffered on here so you're barking up the wrong tree if you think that.
No doubt it has but "worst signings ever" don't appear in best XIs. Hysterical nonsense.
Smalling played for Roma 2021. It was mainly Lindelof who partnered Maguire 2020/21 and they had decents stats, less than 1 goal conceded per game if I remember correctly. Maguire was one of our best players that season, in comparison to all our players not just defenders.
No thanks it was just an easy one to go to the Maguire 20-21 thread. You were right at the time, just because he's fallen off a cliff since then doesn't change it.Good/decent/alright, was he elite Manchester United level or "outstanding" though? i went overboard in defending and praising a player who was still getting a lot of ridicule even back then by saying he had an outstanding season in 20-21 when he was admittedly fantastic for England (i still maintain that he was) and now with the benefit of hindsight i don't think he was THAT great given our defensive issues that year and I think his first season was better as evidenced by our better defensive record in his first season. Am i not allowed to change my mind? I didn't say I know think he was dreadful in the 20-21 season either, just that i went overboard. Perhaps you'd like to dig up old posts saying that Anderson and Cleverly are the future of Manchester United's midfield or the Martial is the best striker in the league. Also your posts on Rashford and Ole are looking equally ridiculous too by the way
By the way here are my most recent posts regarding Maguire- hardly evidence of being super negative and saying he's totally awful:
You're very welcome to trawl through a million Maguire threads and look for evidence of shit posting and being unfair. I genuinely don't remember ever criticizing him to the level of vitriol and abuse he's suffered on here so you're barking up the wrong tree if you think that.
I don't care if any of my old posts look ridiculous, it was my view at the time. Rashford was poor for a long time, I'm not going to now say actually he was brilliant in hindsight under Rangnick etc.
What's the story with him? I've heard this kind of talk before but can never find anything to explain.
No but you might actually decide that you were being too harsh on him at the time, that he wasn't actually that bad or that your opinion has changed and that it doesn't make you a hypocrite for changing your mind.
Thanks for that. I got confused thinking people were talking about that young Aston Villa lad. Quite funny how the PR machines of club owners will make guys like this out to be villains, while getting people to moan about players trying to get better contracts when the situation is reversed.
Or they win the World Cup or a Nobel prize.
Moyes might win a Nobel prize for his dancing.
I don't know why people keep saying this.
The incident in Greece happened after his first season. Yes, he did struggle a bit for a month or so after that, but he then went on to be much better in his second season than he was in his first.
Firing all fergie assistants just to replace them with his everton cohorts and extending rooney's contract when he was on decline were major damage greater than Ole's ever done, it set the club back for years to come. LvG came second with his foolish clear outs, kicking out many experienced players at good age like evans, chicharito for shingel and replaced them with expensive flops. Mind you i don't hate them, and won't spend any more of my time reminding everyone why they were bad managers for us.
Anyway i want Maguire gone but the vitrol here is so unneccessary.
1. No, he didn't con us into believing he was worth 80m, blame that on Mourinho, Ole, and the club who sanctioned his transfer after refusing to meet 60m demand in previous season.
2. He was good for us for 2 seasons. People who brought that 1-6 defeat against spurs should remember that on the same week Liverpool lost 7-2 to Aston Villa and City lost 5-2 to Leicester City at home. WHY? because most top clubs didn't have proper pre-season due to covid break in March that prolonged the 19/20 season into late July.
3. Why people seemed to be hating Pogba more than Maguire. Well for one Pogba couldn't keep his mouth shut about wanting to move to Real Madrid. His family, his agent kept talking about his dream move to Spain shamelessly, publicly. If you still had any self respect for this great club, you'd be very upset watching your main star player talked about his dream of another club, wouldn't you? heck many people seem to hate Dean Henderson for wanting out simply because he want to play some football. Maguire's worst interview was him talking about "not having to prove anything", see the biggest sinner here?
Now i want him gone and with Edson Alvarez protecting i think he'd be very good signing for WHU.
Yeah it's after the Euros where he struggled as well as Ole bringing him back too early during that same season instead of playing Bailly.
Or worse. Stats are not a good way to assess a player either way.
I think it’s a factor. As someone else posted, the ramifications are still going on. He has still got a retrial to go through. The weight of carrying these things tends to grow over time. His account of what happened there is pretty terrible.
I predict we will have a Harry Maguire watch thread once this is done. I have nothing against him so i hope he does well there
No ill will to Big Harry but I did have a loud chuckle at the "I'm their captain" caption of the photo where he points at a Real billboard with Ronaldo, Varane and Casemiro.
Totally expect him to score one against the Devils.
Totally expect him to score one against the Devils.
He reached a higher level in 20/21 but he was more consistent in 19/20, at least that's how I remember it.
We're expecting this to go through in time for the weekend right? Have to imagine Harry starts for West Ham right off the bat
This is shaping up to be the best transfer window I can recall.
Maguire and Fred out, I’m not glad to see DeGea gone but I am excited to see Onana revolutionize our approach, Mount, Onana, Hojland, and possibly Amrabat in. And with Garnacho fully integrated and maybe Pellistri as well, we finally have a red hot attack, mobile and creative mids, and monsters in defense.
We are winning the league, the Kentucky Derby, and possibly the Ryder Cup. Can’t wait!
Maguire and Fred out, I’m not glad to see DeGea gone but I am excited to see Onana revolutionize our approach, Mount, Onana, Hojland, and possibly Amrabat in. And with Garnacho fully integrated and maybe Pellistri as well, we finally have a red hot attack, mobile and creative mids, and monsters in defense.
We are winning the league, the Kentucky Derby, and possibly the Ryder Cup. Can’t wait!
Probably the Super bowl as well if we get a decent CB in too.
I wish people could just stop saying Maguire has turned bad just because of the abuses. He's been still pretty good for England because Southgate plays the football that suites him well.
He's been shit for us for the last two years simply because we started to play with a high line after we bought Ronaldo. He's like a deer caught in the headlights playing in a high line. He knows he's slow and the vast space behind him makes him really uneasy and got panic easily. Which led to numerous errors and him being a walking meme. He got his abuses because he's been shit. Not the other way around.
The earlier post was about our best players post SAF in general and it was posted in 2021, so in comparison to other competitors during such period, of course back then Smalling and Maguire were our best defenders in comparison to others who played that position from the period 2013-2021. That doesn't make them good players. They were just better than shit.
Announce it! I'm getting nervous.
It will need to be done by tomorrow afternoon at the latest. Can't see it myself.
Someone make sure the fax machine has paper and toner.
Man, just imagine if we’re there to at least compete for the trophy. Good times ahead.
If you are not on a wind up then you just lowered the average IQ of posters on the Caf by a ridiculous amount.
If you are not on a wind up then you just lowered the average IQ of posters on the Caf by a ridiculous amount.
Touche
That’s clearly a factor but I disagree. His confidence has clearly taken a massive hit in a Utd shirt and a large part of that is the meme culture following him around. While the England system does suit him more, I’d say it’s more important that he feels trusted and confident in an England shirt compared to a Utd one. You’re underestimating the impact the abuse has had on his performance levels.
Ok gotcha. Personally I would never say Maguire has been our best defender 2013-2023. He was good 2021 and a main reason when we finished second and went to EL final but has been poor after that. One good season and been declining since then, it’s a major feck up transfer considering the money involved. I’m glad he leaves so we can move on.
Smalling was good, but when he left he was past his best plus didn’t fit the modern PL football any longer.
A high line with Ronaldo means a high line without press from the forward. Add a gaping hole in midfield and we have attacking players running at full speed against the CBs. Not an easy task for any CB, and you could see how the opponents tried to isolate Maguire to get this 1v1 against him.
As if we needed another reason to not play him. Just stay home so you don’t get injured.
Then we activate some of the most unexpected add-ons on this deal.
Mentioned it in the Mbappé thread : Schuster at Barca. I'm sure there's a few others.
He was inconsistent throughout pretty much all of 19/20. Wasn't even general form or anything as he'd throw great and shit performances around randomly. Overall he was good more often but there was still quite a lot of bad. It's why it's debatable whether he or Lindelof were better that year, as Maguire's good performances were certainly better but Lindelof was the more consistent.
In 20/21 he started terribly for the first month or two (which was understandable considering what happened in Greece), then improved to that same inconsistent form he'd shown the previous season for a couple more months. Then in the second half of the season he stepped up and was consistently great.
Depends how you rate it. I guess he was more consistently inconsistent in the first season, whereas the second season was broken into three distinct periods where he was more consistent. Well, in the first and third periods anyway, when he was consistently bad and good respectively. Personally I kind of ignore that first month or two since he had so much going on it was understandable that he'd start so badly. From that point forward he was either the same or better than he'd been the previous season.
What the very F@ck...?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/23422207/man-utd-transfer-news-harry-maguire-payoff-west-ham/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/23422207/man-utd-transfer-news-harry-maguire-payoff-west-ham/
So has it been here we goed already?