His 20/21 performance thread https://www.redcafe.net/threads/harry-maguire-2020-21-performances.457020/
Your last post "he's had an outstanding season"
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Your last post "he's had an outstanding season"
Agree with this. We turned down £30m, to then accept it the next day after "continued negotiations". There will have been a compromise with both teams with regards the salary difference.
we would be losing 40m
I have some spare time today so will listen again Manchester is Red podcast from more less a year ago. Luckhurst was 100% sure Varane will be sitting on the bench, becasue Well you know Maguire is a first choice Englands CB. Im glad Maguire is moving on as i hate protection England’s NT player get in the media
Yes. Maguire is known for having really fair portrayals of him in the media.
I don't think we felt betrayed when he left the second time, he contributed next to nothing in his last year and his time was up, he was injured for the whole year afterwards.
But the fact that we lost him on a free, re-signed him for a club record fee and not selling him when we had the chance is comical.
Pogba at least had his good periods and had some memorable games in which he shined. Maguire on the other hand turned into a meme and a clown.
He did start the season as first choice until the Brighton and Brentford disasters.
The revisionism never ceases to amaze me. Is there any other sport as reactionary as football? Only as good as your last season/game.
I see you are digging a lot of old posts lately on various posters, yet you were one of the more vehement defenders of Ole and supported mediocrity 3 years in a row whilst spending half a billion and more than half of those players brought in are now out of the door - less than two years after. Hindsight and all that
I see you are digging a lot of old posts lately on various posters, yet you were one of the more vehement defenders of Ole and supported mediocrity 3 years in a row whilst spending half a billion and more than half of those players brought in are now out of the door - less than two years after. Hindsight and all that
And you were defending Jose and the players he wasted money on all left on free transfers except Lukaku.
It's more the case that people's opinions back then weren't really objective.
He was Solksjaer's marquee signing for a WR fee. People were lining themselves up to rim him at any given opportunity - and that included his transfers/signings.
Simply pointing out blatant nonsense posters are talking. Happy to stand by any posts I made at the time, I wont try re-write history like others are here.I see you are digging a lot of old posts lately on various posters, yet you were one of the more vehement defenders of Ole and supported mediocrity 3 years in a row whilst spending half a billion and more than half of those players brought in are now out of the door - less than two years after. Hindsight and all that
For a season when he was doing pretty fine. As soon as he started underperforming, his relationship with player and board were poisonous I too wanted him out and you can check my post history.
It's no surprise you jumped on the topic though considering you were in the same boat as Leftback for 3 years..
So you still think Ole did well or you changed your tune? Cause Maguire was good for a brief while and turned to turd after that initial phase and it's normal that in hindsight some posts might sound stupid now.
Not really. He was objectively good in his first two seasons at the club. People were rightly desperate to have him back for the Europa league final (which we would likely have won with him) because he was playing so well at that point. Many had him in the team of the season and were asking his many better CBs were in the league. That wasn’t based on some fake narrative, that was derived from his performances over that period for both club and country.
Maguire is a case study in how targeted propaganda can cause lasting damage. A few meme videos drop, fans and rivals latch on and before you know it every error is being multiplied by 100 and his confidence was shot. Very little support from Utd fans who also managed to convince themselves he was some arrogant, self obsessed person (far from the truth). Now Is the right time for him to go, but partly because his position has become untenable with Utd fans.
I don’t think he is arrogant. But I have not heard or seen anything from Maguire himself that suggest he take responsibility for his performance.
Yes he did fine with what he had, until he underperformed and deserved to be sacked.For a season when he was doing pretty fine. As soon as he started underperforming, his relationship with player and board were poisonous I too wanted him out and you can check my post history.
It's no surprise you jumped on the topic though considering you were in the same boat as Leftback for 3 years..
So you still think Ole did well or you changed your tune? Cause Maguire was good for a brief while and turned to turd after that initial phase and it's normal that in hindsight some posts might sound stupid now.
Its nothing to do with hindsight that posts sound stupid, they were correct at the time. It's the latest posts completely contradicting what they said at the time that make them look ridiculous.
Agreed on everything you wrote.
Especially the last part. I’d say he’s suffering the same fate as Phil Jones. Good players at the very least, but turned into memes and every little mistake is magnified and turned into ridicule. This shattered their confidence
I see.
So these posts doesn't look ridiculous then:
For a season when he was doing pretty fine. As soon as he started underperforming, his relationship with player and board were poisonous I too wanted him out and you can check my post history.
It's no surprise you jumped on the topic though considering you were in the same boat as Leftback for 3 years..
Nice try and deflection, money squandered? Well let me bring something else now.
Also wrong on Ole support part but you are usually wrong on lot of things. So it doesn't matter.
Correct. It's like posters think they'll lose face if they admit that they used to think he was pretty good.
Who outside of the club thought that? Like I said, it was only people smoking the gasses from Solskjaer's arse crack that were high on that juice. Btw this isn't exclusive to Solskjaer and Maguire - Antony's the same. An underwhelming player who had a poor first season, that people are trying to convince themselves and everyone else around them that he's been good.
I fully agree with your second paragraph though. He's nowhere near as bad as the memes and the character assassination have made him look. He's a decent/good PL quality player - one who should never have played for Manchester United, especially for the WR fee and let alone have been made captain.
They do. With 85% of the forum on that wasn't it? What's your point?
The equivalent here is if I now said, "I've always said Rashford was a top player".
Is @Irwin99 related to @Nou_Camp99 ?
My point is - you are calling out posters on their opinion on Maguire, when you did the same with Rashford.. Made me chuckle..
No I'm calling out them saying something now that completely contradicts what they said at the time.
As I said it's the same as me now saying "I've always thought Rashford was good" when clearly I didn't.
I'm afraid of rating Maguire's seasons in hindsight, because I can't remember what I thought at the time. All I do remember is thinking he would be a massive loss for the EL final, so I probably felt he was really good around that time.
They are not. They're pointing out the inconsistency between what posters say they thought about players at a given time and what they actually posted at that time.
I don't know how you don't get the difference.
Best bit of transfer business Moyes has done since the day he became United manager!
For the record, I doubted Maguire from the day we signed him. Always believed there were better options
For the record, I doubted Maguire from the day we signed him. Always believed there were better options
He was decent over the season but he had a rough start and was inconsistent for more than half of it. During the period leading up to the final, he performed really well which carried over into the Euros. Those few months were arguably the peak of his career. I thought at that time he maybe left his brainless mistakes behind. I still fail to see how he could have influenced the result in the EL final, it was one of the least uninspiring finals I've watched.
Totally agree. Some of the takes on this forum are shocking and they claim to be United supporters.
“Pogba could but would not. Maguire would but could not.” Bravo!
To describe that season as outstanding is fecking hilarious tbf.
Anyone who thinks that it would be weird to pay the difference in Maguire's wages when he takes a step down cannot know anyone who was actually involved in professional football, this is absolutely standard for players who are reducing their wage with a move. There are three potential outcomes in this situation, in the vast majority of cases the player will be fine with leaving but not the money they are leaving behind and so meet in the middle somewhere with the money they are 'giving up', like say 80% of cases. Then you'll have 10% of cases where the player says he's not leaving without being paid the full difference and then 10% where the player just wants out and will forego what they are 'due'. I'd actually say that one is probably less than 10%, probably closer to under 5% and think about it, it's understandable, they signed a contract, clubs expect players to honour contracts, the player therefore expects the clubs to honour contracts.
In Maguire's case we could easy be in the 10% where he's asking for his full contract, it's the biggest one he'll ever have, he doesn't actually want to leave and probably feels a little forced out. He's probably looking at this from the point of view of, if I'm leaving somewhere that I don't want to leave, I'm leaving with all my money.
In Maguire's case we could easy be in the 10% where he's asking for his full contract, it's the biggest one he'll ever have, he doesn't actually want to leave and probably feels a little forced out. He's probably looking at this from the point of view of, if I'm leaving somewhere that I don't want to leave, I'm leaving with all my money.
If you look at the stats for those seasons it tells the story. I think you're letting the calamities of the past season colour your judgement.
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That's what I was asking about what length of contract WH was offering because one argument for him just giving up on his wages is that his expected future earnings are looking better with that move than rotting on United's bench.
I know Moyes loves lads like Harry but if I were the club I'd offer him maybe 3, 3+1 or 4 years, not chancing on guaranteeing a squad place in his 35-36 years.
If it's 3 years guaranteed at WH (pure speculation)... I'm not sure it makes a huge difference for Maguire prospects if he's potentially back on market in the summer of 25 or 26. Sure if he does really well at WH he may get an extension. Or maybe he was offered a 5 years deal, I dunno. But that's his last big contract opportunity and it's not as big as the one he is on currently.
A move to West Ham is beneficial to him clearly but maybe not so beneficial he'll sit down on X millions of expected pay.
That's that then, no obstacles to the transfer now.
There was talks West Ham was possibly giving him a 5,5m£ signature bonus. Don't know if it's confirmed (or part of the previous bid but not this one) but if it's really 5,5 + 6 I guess Harry has been made whole more or less and is maybe on something like 100k/week ?
Good post, I said this yesterday when someone said something like "He's just crap". He's clearly not, you simply don't con your way to 250 PL and 60 England appearances. He's been destroyed by the meme culture.
You completely missed the point. Everyone posts things that later turn out to be incorrect, the difference is those who deny making those mistakes vs those who own them.