He's officially yours. Ajax farewell videos are always Oscar material but with this one I had a hard time not crying together with Edson.
Maguire | he stays!
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Imagine the scenes on here if Maguire decides to ditch that 5 mil pay off and stay put to 'fight for his place'
Riot inducing
I have never slagged Maguire off, humans make mistakes, its not his fault he's not good enough for United on current form. But just for sake of discussion, Phil Jones > Maguire.
Phil Jones was never a bad player. Injury prone, yes. But during his younger days, his potential was immense, and he was delivering brilliant performances at the highest levels. Forget SAF, even Capello was comparing him to Frank Baresi.
Phil Jones was never a bad player. Injury prone, yes. But during his younger days, his potential was immense, and he was delivering brilliant performances at the highest levels. Forget SAF, even Capello was comparing him to Frank Baresi.
Come on now. The posts are like 2-3 years apart. You post something on a high note when we finished second and the perspective doesn't change over time?
Again same as above. Maguire wasn't a world beater by any means but was solid for a season, then as soon as we employed a more progressive style than the Oleball and normally a higher line or more dynamic style means he'll bad fit for it straight away. We had a thread on that and his role in higher line and many predicted he would fail. Add to that aging and completely devoid of confidence and the result is a meme player.
And you are right, everyone posts incorrect things, but it was a second poster in a row in this thread that got chased for old posts by Leftback, which irked me a bit.
This is absolute class, bravo Ajax.
Imagine United putting a farewell video like this together for Maguire
Well, United doesn't have to fly to Mexico to make it so who knows!This is absolute class, bravo Ajax.
Imagine United putting a farewell video like this together for Maguire
Just a super slo-mo of him assaulting Shaw to a soundtrack of Cavalleria Rusticana would be a fitting end to his tragic time here.This is absolute class, bravo Ajax.
Imagine United putting a farewell video like this together for Maguire
He had a tough time here really. Made the most expensive defender and captain straight away. That’s a lot of pressure.
He had a good first season. Played pretty much every single game. Smashed it with England. It just went down hill with the pressure to win increasing.
West Ham is a good move for him. He will do well there
He had a good first season. Played pretty much every single game. Smashed it with England. It just went down hill with the pressure to win increasing.
West Ham is a good move for him. He will do well there
The standard was so low at that we were satisfied he played every single game even though he had some questionable moments his first few seasons where everyone thought he was good.
I vaguely recall a clip of him trying a bicycle kick hitting nothing except Pogba's head?
He was peps original replacement for kompany until we outbid them. he played in every single premier league game, 71 games in a row in total before getting his ankle injury before the europa final. I remember people actually being gutted he missed it and we actually felt his loss with that game. When he got man of the match during his debut, he showed much promise. He had a fairly decent season and it’s unfair to say otherwise. He has always had an error in him.. but his united career has certainly gone downhill. It feels like ever since the Greek incident he just never was the same. The retrial happens next year so even that is still hanging over him. His confidence has looked shot for a long time.
Saying that, it’s time he is sold. That’s certain. He isn’t good enough for what we need.. but he is a decent defender and will do well at WH. Much more importance to the team and less pressure will do him wonders imo.
I don’t think he deserves the shite he gets, he is practically a meme at this point. That’s going to affect anyone. He looks shot to pieces. I hope he turns it around and does well for the hammers.
I wonder if theres ever been a stubborn owner or manager that has been like “ok fine you can stay but you wont play”. Because im sure no player wants to train with kids and not play matches.
It's sad how things turned out for Jones. Hugely promising, would have been one of those great United defenders but for his injuries.
Harry is a twat, however not his fault that Woodward and Ole sanctioned 80m on a CB that did not suit modern day football. Crazy how much money we wasted on unsuitable players!
Clearly getting swept up in his England performances which were pretty immense
. I did defend Maguire a lot in his first two seasons but looking back I feel Lindelof got a lot more stick than was his due (not that that exonerates him as he was sometimes poor) and I remember the consensus on here that if only Baily would partner Maguire we'd be totally set. It was pretty much acknowledged that we were often poor at the back and we conceded 44 goals that season in a counter attacking team. I still maintain his first season was his best here.Hang on, I thought typical united was the complete opposite where we don't get good fees for our players and sell them for peanuts? So which one is it?
You've missed the point again.
Nah, the common consensus around here was that we had a decent defence because 44 goals in a season was one of the best record in the league. We even had that dumb thread by Sammsky about hipster defenders and how Maguire and Lindelof were actually doing better than supposedly bigger names defenders.Clearly getting swept up in his England performances which were pretty immense
Pointing out that we played so deep with holding midfielders and still conceded more than a goal a game was taboo because Ole was supposed to be the answer to those delusional people
It's whatever one helps the moaner's agenda best.
I still remember young Phil Jones was being hailed as new Duncan Edwards. He was exiting to watch at times, would throw his body up against any challenge, and his “progressive run” as CB was also breathtaking.
Got 'em
The fact that people don't think ole did well at times is exactly the revisionism some posters are talking about.For a season when he was doing pretty fine. As soon as he started underperforming, his relationship with player and board were poisonous I too wanted him out and you can check my post history.
It's no surprise you jumped on the topic though considering you were in the same boat as Leftback for 3 years..
So you still think Ole did well or you changed your tune? Cause Maguire was good for a brief while and turned to turd after that initial phase and it's normal that in hindsight some posts might sound stupid now.
Decent watch, will be a good signing for them. Especially the low block that West Ham play. I'd expect him to get a few goals from Ward Prowze setpieces and corners.
Good grief. The Maguire: West Ham player thread. Will be the same kind of car crash as the Lukaku, Pogba and Ronaldo threads are. At least it will all be self contained then.
What if West Ham do a Leicester this season and win the PL with Maguire as Captain?
I think most people expect him to do very well at a defensive mid-table club with no expectations for him to do much other than stand in his own box, head crosses away, and maybe knock a long ball for Antonio to scrap for now and then.
Nice to read a balanced post.
Would be grand for long standing Caf favourite Moyesie (assuming he won't be sacked, that is).
Firmly in the "not bloody likely" category, though.
What if Forest win the PL with Elanga scoring 50 league goals?
Stats always make players look better than they actually are.
Good point Gandalf, lets add a League Winners clause along with the Ballon d'Or clause.
Why? I replied to a post saying he had a great second season by saying i don't think that was the case and i think he was better in his first season. A poster points out that i said he had an outstanding season-which is true, i wrote that- but am i not allowed to think that i went overboard in saying that, especially during a tournament where he was genuinely outstanding? Am I not allowed to consider that we had problems defensively that season and that Maguire might just have been as culpable as the much maligned Lindelof (and as i said he was guilty too).Got 'em
There's no inconsistency. As we pointed before, in 2021 the competitors for our best defenders were Bailly, Lindelof, Jones, Rojo and Blackett vs Maguire and Smalling.
Of course Maguire and Smalling are better than these lot.
It doesn't mean they're good by any means. They're just better than these crap players that's all.
There's no contradiction. You and that other poster are just trying to look cool by bringing old posts while giving feck all about the context.
Mine was funny because it is unlikely.
You haven't heard of Bogarde?
He was good that season, particularly in the second half of it. It was a widely held opinion. No need to revise it now and say he wasn't.Clearly getting swept up in his England performances which were pretty immense