I believe maguire suffered from low confidence. Even with high confidence, I don't believe he is worth the amount we payed for him. 30m sounds about right and if west ham can instill his confidence back, they have a decent player in their defense.
Maguire | he stays!
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Part of me would love it, just to see the meltdown on the Cafe, if Harry released a tweet saying he is going fight for his place at United.
Regardless of people's opinions on it, he knows the abuse and general ordure he'd get for pulling out at this stage, particularly since it would stop us signing players the fanbase have indicated they see as much better options...
I want him to stay just to spite the section of the fanbase I dislike, which seems to be pretty much all of it at this point.
You do understand that would still probably make the difference between having Maguire as a back up defender or having Pavard?
You want Man Utd to be a worse team because you don't like some things that some fans say? Nice one.
We are the only team that pays off players to move on. Players know they can take us for a ride. Setting the record straight would mean players understand that they risk their career if they don’t accept moving on. Maybe we lose 20m right now, but it will streamline the process of moving out players.
If we continue to pay off contracts and accept lower transfer fees, we will be stuck in this cycle forever.
That is one weird flex. He needs to piss off for all parties sake.
Are you sure about that?
Cheers Harry. You were good in 19/20, very good in 20/21. Last two seasons have been a disaster and you have fallen off a cliff form and confidence wise, I’m sorry for the treatment you’ve been getting. Good luck.
You'd be surprised, I'd be willing to bet it happens in most cases of players going down in stature.
Also clubs pay out loyalty bonus too which is only forfeit if a transfer request goes in so he'll be due that too.
I don't believe that was the case at all. Our defence were getting criticized all the time, the difference was it was Lindelof getting blamed most often-sometimes correctly- but Maguire was often just as poor.
Getting rid of Southgate's donkey is like getting a new transfer in.
Maguire brain comment
Wait. You thought they were talking about Maguire?
Could you imagine if he signs and they get relegated 
Maguire being very good is when he's not looking outright terrible, a true steady Eddie in peak form.
No point getting frustrated by Maguire. Anybody with a head on their shoulders would be doing the exact same thing in his shoes. We gave him a fantastic deal, too much for his ability and it was completely our doing.
We don't know the details. He may be willing to take a compromise, it just might not be the one that is what WHU are willing to pay him as a base salary. So hopefully something is worked out to satisfy all parties. But I definitely can't hold it against Maguire to be out to retain as much of his salary as possible.
We don't know the details. He may be willing to take a compromise, it just might not be the one that is what WHU are willing to pay him as a base salary. So hopefully something is worked out to satisfy all parties. But I definitely can't hold it against Maguire to be out to retain as much of his salary as possible.
It’s interesting to see the contrast between Maguire & Pogba.
Both are players who came with huge fees and huge expectations. Both are players that failed and both arguably mishandled their PR.
Maguire hounded and persecuted online. Has become a meme but defended by the media and pundits. Has a small section of fans who defend him and are outraged by the “abuse” he’s received in the form of booing and becoming a meme.
Pogba was persecuted by the pundits and media but was mostly supported online but had a small section of fans who absolutely couldn’t stand him.
In the end as close as you can get to 100% of fans wanted both to leave.
So different yet so similar. IMO, what Pogba received was worse because he was getting picked on by fellow pros on a weekly basis. Maguire has always had the support of the media and pundits and very likely it’s the lack of professional and honest criticism of his form on their part that has exacerbated the fans online ‘critique’ of him.
Both are players who came with huge fees and huge expectations. Both are players that failed and both arguably mishandled their PR.
Maguire hounded and persecuted online. Has become a meme but defended by the media and pundits. Has a small section of fans who defend him and are outraged by the “abuse” he’s received in the form of booing and becoming a meme.
Pogba was persecuted by the pundits and media but was mostly supported online but had a small section of fans who absolutely couldn’t stand him.
In the end as close as you can get to 100% of fans wanted both to leave.
So different yet so similar. IMO, what Pogba received was worse because he was getting picked on by fellow pros on a weekly basis. Maguire has always had the support of the media and pundits and very likely it’s the lack of professional and honest criticism of his form on their part that has exacerbated the fans online ‘critique’ of him.
That is called cutting of your nose to spite your face and it would lead to financial ruin.
Don't remember that very good second season. Remember him having some good months that first season ending in a pretty decent season, and then everything going downhill
Probably some negotiations involving his wages involved too
if they kept the bid at 30 but increased how much of his wages they’ll cover, it makes sense
Let's just pray he passes his medical!
Hope he does really well there.
Think he’s had some great games for us.
Think he’s had some great games for us.
Don't remember that very good second season. Remember him having some good months that first season ending in a pretty decent season, and then everything going downhill
He was very good in the second season, one of the most negative member even started this thread, says it all about Maguire's season that season.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/an-apology-to-harry-maguire.462793/
First 2 seasons he was good/very good with few bad moments, third season he was shit and fourth he was just a bench player who didn't play much.
Yeah I'm seeing that a lot. Maybe I'm confusing those good months being in the first rather than the second season.
Glad to see him moving on, for his own good as well. Everything just seem to went downhill for him after that incident with the police in Greece
It's not pretty clear now is it. Say he doesn't move anywhere, he sees out his contract here and meanwhile his stock will go lower and lower. He'll be older the next contract he'll get. How much will he be worth then? Will he get the wages that West Ham are offering for the length their offering? They're in EL, have ambitions and have bunch of bonus payouts that teams in Europe has, teams that would probably be his destination if he doesn't leave now.
It makes sense for him to negotiate a deal now and get a little bit of money from United but not 10m.
That one goal per season will be massive. Probably against us though
This comes from the Woodward train of thought. Next thing you know, you’ll be saying we should give him a new contract to avoid losing him on a free.
This explains it TBF
Pogba left us once for almost free. We signed him for a record fee. Then he left us again for free, leading us on that he might re-sign. He was very inconsistent when not injured. His injuries while playing for United did not help, especially when he seemed ok playing for France. I think United fans felt betrayed twice. It is really not the same situation as Maguire.
Pogba has some good phases and never had the midfield to showcase the qualities he did at Juventus. But he was a cnut. Maguire somehow conned our club into believing he was good enough to be a starting CB for Manchester United.
Wasn’t Wheeler the one who started the 10mil payout months ago? Probably just adding this to back his old story up. I don’t buy it. United wanted 35/40 for him and took 30 probably after negotiations so Weat Ham can pay him.
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Both Pogba and Maguire conned our club into believing they were the missing piece. The former turned into a fraud, the latter was just a fraud. Difficult thing to say.
But reality is Pogba had the class to shine in the greatest sides in Europe. Maguire was just bang average, or worse.
Both wore out their stay in Manchester. Glad to move on from both.
Both are respectively mercenary & mediocrity recruited too expensively in highly desperate times with lot of undeserved personal faith put unto them. Both got lost in their roles while here. Both have annoying family that antagonized our institution and fan base. Pogba could but would not. Maguire would but could not. Both have over inflated ego's that rub fans the wrong way and are at times immune to valid critique to the point even coaches want them gone. It's great to clean them all out and go down a meritocratic path like it always was at this club. They are parentheses in the long run.
You’ll be surprised, with a consistently good set piece which is what Ward prowse normally delivers and a confident Maguire, they could score a few of them. Like you said though most likely against usThat one goal per season will be massive. Probably against us though
Really hope so.
Selling him for 30 but having to pay say 7 or 8m of that out to cover wages would be an even more shocking deal.
You’ll be surprised, with a consistently good set piece which is what Ward prowse normally delivers and a confident Maguire, they could score a few of them. Like you said though most likely against us
Maguire reminds me of Fellaini for this.
When you play against them you feel constantly at threat ever set piece.
When you have them they barely get it on target.
In fairness Maguire would get his head on about 90% of set pieces but they'd barely go near the target.