Being stripped of the captaincy and pushed out of United to potentially join West Ham is failing upwards in your eyes?
Maguire | he stays!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Being stripped of the captaincy and pushed out of United to potentially join West Ham is failing upwards in your eyes?
Being promised the captaincy at a new club?
Some advice for Slabhead, run a mile in the opposite direction from any armband that’s handed to you.
He needs a new start not a repeat. Learn from your mistakes please.
From where he’s been until now, how on Earth is he failing up?
it says west ham not real
I think he’ll turn out a cracking signing for West Ham, even moreso than McTominay, who’ll do well if provided more freedom to get up the pitch, but will fail miserably if asked to takeover Rice’s role.
Getting England’s starting CB for 37m is a good bit of business, no matter how the internet community will try to paint it.
Getting England’s starting CB for 37m is a good bit of business, no matter how the internet community will try to paint it.
Being promised captaincy over other players at the club ffs?
I can't comment on Todibo but saw a fair amount of Amrabat at the back end of last season when we knew we had them in the final.
Decent player, will put in some hefty challenges, but he would have been sent off in the PL for the tackles he was making in the final thirty minutes of the ECL final.
I think it's best solution for Man Utd and Harry to move. He needs place with less pressure (at least from media). He was incredible in his first year but after that he felt down rapidly. During game against Atletic he didn't look better.
Eh, it's a cup final, player putting that bit extra on the line for his team. Not a huge deal.
Him getting the armband at West Ham isn't far fetched though. Noble has retired and Rice has been sold and not sure anyone has been named as captain, let alone an obvious choice in their squad.
You’re the one claiming he’s failing up, which is clearly ridiculous.
He's horrific, can barely make it through a game without gifting several opportunities to the opponents, he's a meme and now his next boss is guaranteeing him a starting spot and the captaincy.
In reality, he should be signed and that's it. What's with all these extras privileges?!
Who cares if gets the keys to London?! Anything that gets him gone for decent money.
Perhaps. I don’t think Maguire necessarily needs frozen out, though. If he agrees to move then great, it works for all parties, but if he hangs around then we’re probably going to need him at some point.
If you just said that in the first place you’d have had no arguments, but by no metric is he failing UP.
65M-70M and please lets get it done soon. That's more than enough money for Amrabat(25M) and Todibo(35M).
Thought it was obvious
Considering West Ham would have to deal with Maguire's big salary too, £30m is more than satisfactory.
We'll never get an offer like this again for him if we don't sell this summer.
We'll never get an offer like this again for him if we don't sell this summer.
But then, why doesn't West Ham buy Amrabat(25M) and Todibo(35M) themselves? It would be cheaper for them, better players, and a lower salary too.
They probably wouldn't want to sign for West Ham.
It's fantastic. Good man Moysie, we might actually get the deal done if this convinces Maguire to go.
Why would they join West Ham when there are bigger clubs interested?
Just get him out please so we can move on.
And why should we be concerned who Moysey makes captain?
Reminds me of @golden_blunder when Lindelof was made NT captain by Sweden.
If he's smart he will decline. This move doomed both him and Ole.
Because they are only "interested" and made no offers?
Disagree. Maguire was starting to find his feet as a captain then Ronaldo really upset the balance and harmony. He was fine before that and was coming off the back of a good season. I remember being quite disappointed that he got injured for the Europa final as he was missed!
Think the reason 30M was turned down is because West Ham won't be dealing with his salary and we would have to compensate him to the tune of something like 10M for the difference. There is speculation West Ham are willing to up the salary offer in order to make the 30M price tag more attractive to us as opposed to offering us a bigger fee, probably better for them in terms of accounting I would guess.
Or because they have had sufficient interest and believe in their talent to arrive at a big club eventually rather than settle at West Ham? Players like Amrabat and Todibo simply would say no to West Ham in this situation because the chance exists for them to join a big club. It might not happen, but they'd rather stay and hold out on the chance it happens. And once their agents say they are willing to join others who are not Man United if that offer never comes, then far more clubs would bid.
People have really selective memories here (surprise)
At Leicester and at United between 2019 and 2021 he was one of the best CBs in the PL without a doubt. West Ham fans are idiots if they aren't happy for this potential deal. Would single handedly make sure they stay up.
The high line argument is silly too because Ole played a high line. He also played Maguire at LCB even though he's more comfortable at RCB just because he had more confidence in Maguire to play a less comfortable position than in Lindelöf or multiple CL winner Varane...but apparently he's "bad on the ball".
Also funny how people will claim that randoms like Todibo are the "better players" whilst I bet that they never watched the guy play for a single minute.
Ronaldo doomed Ole...I agree that Maguire shouldn't be captain though, even if the WHU captaincy doesn't come with as much pressure as the United captaincy.
At Leicester and at United between 2019 and 2021 he was one of the best CBs in the PL without a doubt. West Ham fans are idiots if they aren't happy for this potential deal. Would single handedly make sure they stay up.
The high line argument is silly too because Ole played a high line. He also played Maguire at LCB even though he's more comfortable at RCB just because he had more confidence in Maguire to play a less comfortable position than in Lindelöf or multiple CL winner Varane...but apparently he's "bad on the ball".
Also funny how people will claim that randoms like Todibo are the "better players" whilst I bet that they never watched the guy play for a single minute.
Ronaldo doomed Ole...I agree that Maguire shouldn't be captain though, even if the WHU captaincy doesn't come with as much pressure as the United captaincy.
West Ham have been in Europe three years running - one of only four English clubs currently in that bracket. This transfer window is about maintaining and building on that, and WHU may have approaching £250m to spend this summer bearing in mind how much is being raised in sales. It isn't about relegation.
Maguire is seen by many West Ham supporters as a short/medium term option at best; one who has been overpaid, may have questionable motivation and someone whose confidence and reputation has been shredded after the repeated criticism and lampooning. Other longer term or more cost effective options are perceived to exist, but Moyes wants some experienced, homegrown players who are deemed to be captain material. We are also talking with Ward-Prowse.
West Ham have to bolster the homegrown contingent. It's why McTominay is also of significant interest. Harvey Barnes was lined up only for an internal recruitment reorganisation to scupper it.
I'll bet when we actually come to negotiations their respective prices would be higher.
How exactly can they build on cup competitions? They got 40 pts in the league last season and sold their absolute best player.
The ruined confidence part I agree with, that’s the only potential danger in this one for them. Still very much worth taking a gamble though.
I fear our own greed could scupper things
You didn't get the point. If we want over 70 million pounds for McT and Maguire and we claim that Amrabat and Todibo are better, then their teams will certainly ask for more than that. The selling price is first and foremost up to the teams, not up to the players.
Yeah that is very true
This is one of those ones. We’ve rejected £30m if we get more it’ll look like genius negotiating, if the deal falls it’ll look like incompetence.
I believe it’s a risk we have to take for the long term. Yeah we might end up stuck with Maguire, yeah if he doesn’t get sold this summer then next year or in the winter it’ll be half the price or a loan. But we can’t undo 10 years of over paying and underselling without walking away from one or two deals, both buys and sales.
Now ideally on the buy front we could walk away from players we have no real interest in actually buying. Eg make a £50m offer for a player we know is valued at £80 go up to £65m then do a City and pull out.
I believe it’s a risk we have to take for the long term. Yeah we might end up stuck with Maguire, yeah if he doesn’t get sold this summer then next year or in the winter it’ll be half the price or a loan. But we can’t undo 10 years of over paying and underselling without walking away from one or two deals, both buys and sales.
Now ideally on the buy front we could walk away from players we have no real interest in actually buying. Eg make a £50m offer for a player we know is valued at £80 go up to £65m then do a City and pull out.
Amrabat is on last year of his contract so Fiorentina can't ask too much.
Todibo is targeted to be fourth choice, something that Maguire is more than capable of. But Maguire has already alot of baggage and on too much money so we replace him with slightly worse player, but with the much cheaper wage and potential to be better
Not convinced Todibo is capable of being slightly worse than Maguire in a United shirt. It takes some doing. Would he lose pace and agility overnight when transferring from Nice? Otherwise I don't see it. Even Lindelof looked significantly better than Maguire of late.