LVG's Legacy/Foundations

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Wrong. He lost his job because he didn't secure a champions league place. Just thank West Ham he didn't than this mythical position you are so happy with. With a champions league place the board would still have him here. 1000%:lol:

So if Jose gets 5th he's out?? I don't think so. I can see you're still hurting! You miss LVG. I get it. You'll get over it, poor fella!
 
LVG didn't leave a legacy at all, he just filled in a gap between moyes and mourinho. Results were virtually the same under him and moyes yet we played the most boring football in the league and scored less goals than we did under Moyes. LVG also had the luxury of spending £150 million too.

He was a failure plain and simple.
 
His first season was an improvement on Moyes (not hard) his second bitterly disappointing. I'll always remember him fondly though simply because he was always a bit mental. I think that's strangely endearing. He'll be remembered far more fondly than Moyes. In the long-run I think he'll be something of a folk-hero. This psychologically suspect mad Dutchman, singing at press conferences, throwing himself to the ground in protest in the Arsenal game, his pissed as feck performance at the end of season awards dinner.

I don't think in the long run people will be as harsh on him as perhaps his on the field legacy deserves because of who he was. You'd have to be spectacularly po-faced not to raise a smile remember things like when in pre-match interviews he was asked: "Tell us about your team and your thought process behind it" and he'd just list the starting line up.
 
What do you expect from people who think they can give LVG credit for allowing managers to clean up his mess. They fail to realise that all 4 of JM's signing have been a success and are the primary factor of our decent run. Also not to mention players that did not play under LVG or at least got left out are now playing good stuff.

This is just a continuation of trying to attribute other people's work to him. It's a strange and baffling phenomena
THAT is the most sensible thing wrote on this thread. Well said.
 
LVG didn't leave a legacy at all, he just filled in a gap between moyes and mourinho. Results were virtually the same under him and moyes yet we played the most boring football in the league and scored less goals than we did under Moyes. LVG also had the luxury of spending £150 million too.

He was a failure plain and simple.
Watch our game vs Spurs at OT and tell me we were boring. He completely owned Poch that day, and forced him to make a tactical sub after only 30 minutes. The biggest problem with his reign was relying on Rooney up top. Look at when Zlatan was struggling and had a goal drought and we all suffered. Give LVG Pogba and Zlatan and he would have done much better too.
 
Watch our game vs Spurs at OT and tell me we were boring. He completely owned Poch that day, and forced him to make a tactical sub after only 30 minutes. The biggest problem with his reign was relying on Rooney up top. Look at when Zlatan was struggling and had a goal drought and we all suffered. Give LVG Pogba and Zlatan and he would have done much better too.

Pogba and Zlatan wouldnt have signed for him.
 
Ah good old LVG, no doubt in my mind he would still be here but unfortunately for him the fans "expectations were too high". Those pesky match going fans should have been privileged to go from September 30th to Feb 2nd without a first half goal at Old Trafford.
 
Watch our game vs Spurs at OT and tell me we were boring. He completely owned Poch that day, and forced him to make a tactical sub after only 30 minutes. The biggest problem with his reign was relying on Rooney up top. Look at when Zlatan was struggling and had a goal drought and we all suffered. Give LVG Pogba and Zlatan and he would have done much better too.

Except lvg wouldn't get ibra or Pogba. I'll always be grateful for our first trophy he delivered since SAF retired but LVG is long forgottten in my mind and I suspect most united fans minds too. As I said he was more like a caretaker sort of manager While we waited for someone better to become available
 
Except lvg wouldn't get ibra or Pogba. I'll always be grateful for our first trophy he delivered since SAF retired but LVG is long forgottten in my mind and I suspect most united fans minds too. As I said he was more like a caretaker sort of manager While we waited for someone better to become available

Now this is a good view on it. LVG has always been used as a care taker manager & considering what he did as one; some of us think he did a decent job with not a focused impact but an overall rounded one.

Bought some youth, dropped the waste albeit adding his own, focused heavily on players following tactics to a tee & won a cup. Sure as a manager we could do better but as a care taker manager he is one of the best around.

And no before people start talking about di matte0 winning the CL - he didn't really change or revitalize the squad merely completed someone else's work.

The fact that Jose has bought 4 wonderful players who has had no trouble fitting in goes along way in saying how well Jose has done with his signings and that the rest of the quality is not a bad basis to improve on bit by bit.
 
Jose has had to start from scratch. Van Gaal was a fecking car crash of an appointment. £250 million spent and virtually feck all to show for it.
 
It's weird because I think if LVG had finished with 1 more point last season along with the FA Cup win and we had then moved on from him for Mourinho the sentiments about him would be less antagonizing. He wasn't perfect or even great, but he wasn't a complete moron that failed miserably and was completely out of his depth. IMO the biggest problem was that despite successfully addressing the issues in the squad he failed at solving them with the right additions and failted to progress our play in his 2nd season.

His press conferences were top notch though.
 
Why bother with discussion when hate is to strong in most here. In their eyes he didnt do a single thing right. All games were boring,we never won vs top teams,FA cup was won spite of him they said,Rashford got a chance because he didnt have a choice,other youngsters didnt get their chance either and so on...

Yes football was boring as feck in most games,he made mistakes but this thread is waste of time,i mean majority of CAF sided on with that cnut Custis vs LvG...enough said.
 
In the end, his "legacy" at Barcelona was leaving the club in such a desperate state (no titles, no money and no UCL) that the president and the board had to resign, elections took place and Laporta builded a new team that went on to dominate the world, but yeah, 3 guys from LVG's era ended up being key players, so I guess that makes him responsable of our recent success :lol:

I'm glad that Barca fans are now weighing in with what actually happened with Barca and LVG, when he managed them.
This "building of foundations" is utterly ridiculous and made up.

When Jose first joined us, he said that we need to forget what happened in the last 3 years. After working with our team, he began erasing the LVG philosophy from the minds of our players, which took a few months.
Jose is doing everything possible to remove the LVG foundations and as a result we now have 6 wins in a row, for the first time since SAF!!!
If this is not evidence enough that Jose should've been the guy to take over SAF, in 2013, then I do not know what is.
 
THAT is the most sensible thing wrote on this thread. Well said.
Oh come on, stretching it a bit far with the love in.

We are all pretty ecstatic at getting 6 wins on the trot, but let's not go overboard. As good as Miki is, what has he played, maybe 3 or 4 full games, Bailly, lots of brilliant aggression, but yet to fully convince he is the end product, and our run was without him. Once Jose stuck to a consistent side (whether that was enforced or not) the players started to gel and play better. Pogba has started to get to grips with the PL, so second half of the season should be interesting. Zlatan has been very impressive from day 1. I would argue that our performances have largely been due to the original Fergie buys of DDG, Valencia, Jones, and Carrick in particular. Add to that the youth of Lingard, supported by consistency of Herrera, Mata and Rojo.

We should also should not forget that even in those 6 games there were periods of concern, but I am pretty sure the team will develop more over the coming months
 
I'm glad that Barca fans are now weighing in with what actually happened with Barca and LVG, when he managed them.
This "building of foundations" is utterly ridiculous and made up.

When Jose first joined us, he said that we need to forget what happened in the last 3 years. After working with our team, he began erasing the LVG philosophy from the minds of our players, which took a few months.
Jose is doing everything possible to remove the LVG foundations and as a result we now have 6 wins in a row, for the first time since SAF!!!
If this is not evidence enough that Jose should've been the guy to take over SAF, in 2013, then I do not know what is.

What makes a Barcelona fans point of view bigger than that of Uniteds? Again most of my respect for him comes from the players point of view than the fans.
 
When you can't do shit. You build 'foundations'. Delusional fans trying to justify that one track coach who can't adapt to a club or epl tactics.
 
Oh come on, stretching it a bit far with the love in.

We are all pretty ecstatic at getting 6 wins on the trot, but let's not go overboard. As good as Miki is, what has he played, maybe 3 or 4 full games, Bailly, lots of brilliant aggression, but yet to fully convince he is the end product, and our run was without him. Once Jose stuck to a consistent side (whether that was enforced or not) the players started to gel and play better. Pogba has started to get to grips with the PL, so second half of the season should be interesting. Zlatan has been very impressive from day 1. I would argue that our performances have largely been due to the original Fergie buys of DDG, Valencia, Jones, and Carrick in particular. Add to that the youth of Lingard, supported by consistency of Herrera, Mata and Rojo.

We should also should not forget that even in those 6 games there were periods of concern, but I am pretty sure the team will develop more over the coming months
Not really. They have been the catalyst to make the rest of the players up their game as well so the whole team mainly are playing better.
 
Jose is doing everything possible to remove the LVG foundations and as a result we now have 6 wins in a row, for the first time since SAF!!!
If this is not evidence enough that Jose should've been the guy to take over SAF, in 2013, then I do not know what is.

In the 2014/15 season LVG won 6 league games in a row on two separate occasions. Mourinho also remains one short of LVG's 13 game unbeaten streak. The first 6 wins included ones against Liverpool and Arsenal. The second streak included matches v Liverpool, Spurs and City.

He was pretty good against top opposition in the league. Fun fact - if he'd have averaged the same points per game against the rest of the league as he did against the generally accepted top 5 Utd would have been playing in the champions league this season.

I wasn't much of a fan of the guy but his style was oftentimes tediously effective.
 
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I'll remember him fondly for the FA cup win, those wins against Liverpool and some lighter moments of laughter and fun. His team, his tactics and recruitment I'd like to forget whatever is left in my memory. Most significantly, he unlike Moyes accepted that he wasn't good enough in meeting the expectations and ever since he has left us, maintained a dignified silence. I wish him nothing but best.
 
Ah good old LVG, no doubt in my mind he would still be here but unfortunately for him the fans "expectations were too high". Those pesky match going fans should have been privileged to go from September 30th to Feb 2nd without a first half goal at Old Trafford.

Its LVG's philosophy of saving the best for later.
 
I'll remember him fondly for the FA cup win, those wins against Liverpool and some lighter moments of laughter and fun. His team, his tactics and recruitment I'd like to forget whatever is left in my memory. Most significantly, he unlike Moyes accepted that he wasn't good enough in meeting the expectations and ever since he has left us, maintained a dignified silence. I wish him nothing but best.

Think it was reported that he cannot speak of United in public for at least 12 months as part of his generous pay-off package.
 
THAT is the most sensible thing wrote on this thread. Well said.

Thank you kind sir! It is somewhat of a relief to find someone of like mind or in this case of any mind at all about this astonishing lack of logic and discernment from the LVG acolytes.

Please allow me to take the liberty of going further into this topic.

Not only Do I think that there are no new systems under the sun just re-hashed ones with slight variances mainly down to the skill level of players executing any one system at one time but I also believe that people are attributing unrelated and incongruent success even with different systems and none of the same players left somehow some way it's down to LVG having been there 10 years ago. Should we not be consistent and blame him when they don't play well or have bad seasons after he has left? I mean he left Barca of all the teams you could not imagine in the relegation zone or 1 place above it by 3 points I think when he was sacked.

Give credit where its due when he has had success in his career but claiming he is responsible for any success coming from any team he has managed just because he left clubs in a bad state and the next manager or the one after that came in and turned things around somehow means he is some sort of groundbreaking genius is just an insult to the players, managers who actually achieved it and to all our intelligence.

Why don't we afford the same standard to the managers he replaced? Why were they not immortalised in the pantheon of revolutionary managers for the success that LVG has had?

Anyway enough about this wretched subject and I am going to go enjoy the highlights of the 4-0 thrashing we just handed reading from the championship. Ironically this is one time something can be retrospectively attributed to LVG since it would have been just another run of the mill win for us except for the thrashing we got handed to us by MK fecking Dons when he was in charge and they were in league one a whole division lower than championship Reading...
 
Van Gaal is a coach I continue to greatly admire, despite his stint at United. He was an innovator and leader at some point in time, and his achievements with Ajax shaped a lot of my formative experiences with football. His ludicrous 3-1-2-1-3 formation that won the Champions League and made another final, was something that boggled my mind at the time, and continues to amaze. Added to this he is quite a colourful and entertaining character, and over the years has shown himself to be an extraordinary identifier and developer of young talent.

But the problem with Van Gaal, much like the problem with other coaches I greatly admire such as Bielsa, is that he is a dogmatic idealist. He has his notion of how football should be played, and that is it. Van Gaal is somewhat of an artist who sees beauty in the minutiae of team interplay, rather than the more crude outcomes such as a goal scored or a goal conceded. This observation is borne out by his castigation of Herrera for scoring a goal against Everton when out of position. LVG would rather have the team never lose the ball in the entire match, achieving 100% possession and drawing 0-0, than play riskily with multiple turnovers of possession and win 2-0. If he was a sex coach, he'd be an acolyte of trantra - preferring to indefinitely postpone orgasm for hours on end, rather than getting three vigorous shags in over the same time period.

There is something admirable to be found in there somewhere, a certain reflective beauty in appreciating the elements of a game that 99.9% of the population wouldn't even notice. But what Van Gaal failed to realize is that for all the subtle and witty dialogue his film contained, his audience came to the theatre wanting a porno; not seventeen hundred hours of philosophical expression interspersed with the odd, six second, side-boob flash.

Van Gaal is, was, and always will be a genius in his own mind. For some he will remain an idealist for whom his greatest work goes unappreciated, for others a charismatic coach who entertained as much as he frustrated, and a for few, an interminable bore who drained all that was fun and entertaining from football. For my part, I see him as a little of all three. I have appreciated Van Gaal the genius at Ajax, Van Gaal the educator at Bayern, Van Gaal the entertainer and frustrator with Holland, and Van Gaal the stabilizer and bore with United.

His presence wasn't one that fit well with the United philosophy but I bear no ill will towards the man. I think he did a job in turning around the Moyes debacle, but ultimately just was not the right fit for this club.
 
Van Gaal is a coach I continue to greatly admire, despite his stint at United. He was an innovator and leader at some point in time, and his achievements with Ajax shaped a lot of my formative experiences with football. His ludicrous 3-1-2-1-3 formation that won the Champions League and made another final, was something that boggled my mind at the time, and continues to amaze. Added to this he is quite a colourful and entertaining character, and over the years has shown himself to be an extraordinary identifier and developer of young talent.

But the problem with Van Gaal, much like the problem with other coaches I greatly admire such as Bielsa, is that he is a dogmatic idealist. He has his notion of how football should be played, and that is it. Van Gaal is somewhat of an artist who sees beauty in the minutiae of team interplay, rather than the more crude outcomes such as a goal scored or a goal conceded. This observation is borne out by his castigation of Herrera for scoring a goal against Everton when out of position. LVG would rather have the team never lose the ball in the entire match, achieving 100% possession and drawing 0-0, than play riskily with multiple turnovers of possession and win 2-0. If he was a sex coach, he'd be an acolyte of trantra - preferring to indefinitely postpone orgasm for hours on end, rather than getting three vigorous shags in over the same time period.

There is something admirable to be found in there somewhere, a certain reflective beauty in appreciating the elements of a game that 99.9% of the population wouldn't even notice. But what Van Gaal failed to realize is that for all the subtle and witty dialogue his film contained, his audience came to the theatre wanting a porno; not seventeen hundred hours of philosophical expression interspersed with the odd, six second, side-boob flash.

Van Gaal is, was, and always will be a genius in his own mind. For some he will remain an idealist for whom his greatest work goes unappreciated, for others a charismatic coach who entertained as much as he frustrated, and a for few, an interminable bore who drained all that was fun and entertaining from football. For my part, I see him as a little of all three. I have appreciated Van Gaal the genius at Ajax, Van Gaal the educator at Bayern, Van Gaal the entertainer and frustrator with Holland, and Van Gaal the stabilizer and bore with United.

His presence wasn't one that fit well with the United philosophy but I bear no ill will towards the man. I think he did a job in turning around the Moyes debacle, but ultimately just was not the right fit for this club.
 
The LVG foundations theory is simple and 100% foolproof and no hater can disprove it. All he needs do is buy a bucket load of players and give starts to all the academy players. If as much as 1 of those academy or 20 players he bought turn out to be any decent and play any part in the clubs future successes you call them his foundations/Legacy. The rest simply never happened. It's a theory that can never be countered, and applies to only LVG
 
Not much of LVG's reign is still seen or used. Almost all of LVG's first 11 are today squad players. That might / will change but that's how it looks today,

We play a completely different brand if football under Mou which I personally like more.

Half of LVG's buys were complete flops and are probably on their way out.

In all honesty he didn't do a good job here in general in my opinion.
 
The LVG foundations theory is simple and 100% foolproof and no hater can disprove it. All he needs do is buy a bucket load of players and give starts to all the academy players. If as much as 1 of those academy or 20 players he bought turn out to be any decent and play any part in the clubs future successes you call them his foundations/Legacy. The rest simply never happened. It's a theory that can never be countered, and applies to only LVG

Hmm well I personally rate Tim sherw00d for what he did with Harry Kane. I feel without him spurs wouldn't be as good right now. Likewise LVG has done this type of things with countless young players at 4 different clubs - where most or not all of said youth becaming pivotal. It's really not as complicated as some people seem to take it.

Whether he accidentally picked someone or he took a gamble or if he even sh*t out youth; I couldn't care less as long as it benefits the club in the future.

If Rashford is as big as we think he is going to be then to say LVG wasn't important in his career is absolutely ludicrous.

Same goes with Kane & Sherwpdd - difference being that LVG has done it at every club he has been at.
 
Thank you kind sir! It is somewhat of a relief to find someone of like mind or in this case of any mind at all about this astonishing lack of logic and discernment from the LVG acolytes.

Please allow me to take the liberty of going further into this topic.

Not only Do I think that there are no new systems under the sun just re-hashed ones with slight variances mainly down to the skill level of players executing any one system at one time but I also believe that people are attributing unrelated and incongruent success even with different systems and none of the same players left somehow some way it's down to LVG having been there 10 years ago. Should we not be consistent and blame him when they don't play well or have bad seasons after he has left? I mean he left Barca of all the teams you could not imagine in the relegation zone or 1 place above it by 3 points I think when he was sacked.

Give credit where its due when he has had success in his career but claiming he is responsible for any success coming from any team he has managed just because he left clubs in a bad state and the next manager or the one after that came in and turned things around somehow means he is some sort of groundbreaking genius is just an insult to the players, managers who actually achieved it and to all our intelligence.

Why don't we afford the same standard to the managers he replaced? Why were they not immortalised in the pantheon of revolutionary managers for the success that LVG has had?

Anyway enough about this wretched subject and I am going to go enjoy the highlights of the 4-0 thrashing we just handed reading from the championship. Ironically this is one time something can be retrospectively attributed to LVG since it would have been just another run of the mill win for us except for the thrashing we got handed to us by MK fecking Dons when he was in charge and they were in league one a whole division lower than championship Reading...
Yes its as though VG has paid for some 'fans' to give him credit where none is due. Saying that at times with some of the back passes to the goalie today from near the halfway line I wonder if some players had reverted back to bad habits.
 
Didn't know that, even then I expect him to behave much better than Moyes did. Bitching about it doesn't seem his style to me.

Moyes didnt really bitch about anything until later if I can remember. Might be that silence clause in action.
 
Not much of LVG's reign is still seen or used. Almost all of LVG's first 11 are today squad players. That might / will change but that's how it looks today,

We play a completely different brand if football under Mou which I personally like more.

Half of LVG's buys were complete flops and are probably on their way out.

In all honesty he didn't do a good job here in general in my opinion.
Not really true. Seriously what did you expect of a foundation?

Surely, if you have a foundation you should be able to build on it by bringing in first team players straight away with the knowledge those you have dropped to backup are still of a certain standard. I can't believe you would think Jose should come in and just buy backup players. The Squad has been slowly improved over 3 years and is not in as bad a state as people make out on here.

I accept that it looks like Jose is not a big fan or Depay, Schweinie or Schnieders, but Jose seems happy with Rojo, Blind and Martial. Maybe the former two as backup and Martial as first team. Not really sure what he thinks of Darmian. I think most on here don't see Herrera or Shaw as LVG. Mata and Fellani are Moyes. Most of the others are Fergie (DDG, Carrick, Smaling, Jones, Young, Rooney) and a few youth.
 
Yes its as though VG has paid for some 'fans' to give him credit where none is due. Saying that at times with some of the back passes to the goalie today from near the halfway line I wonder if some players had reverted back to bad habits.
You make it sound as though the first time you saw United do this was under LVG. I mean did you never see it with Fergie, Moyes? Do you not see other teams do it frequently?

The whole argument from people who want to bring LVG into the conversation in a negative manner at every opportunity is that somehow a manager would tell his players not to go forward, always pass backwards and so on. I just don't get how you make that conclusion. There was probably more side way passes than anything under LVG. It would be more accurate to say we were boring as feck because the players were told not to take risk or waste the ball. If they couldn't find a red shirt they were probably told to keep ball and then pass to a red shirt when it was available. But believing LVG was all about passing the ball backwards seems totally weird to me.
 
Not really true. Seriously what did you expect of a foundation?

Surely, if you have a foundation you should be able to build on it by bringing in first team players straight away with the knowledge those you have dropped to backup are still of a certain standard. I can't believe you would think Jose should come in and just buy backup players. The Squad has been slowly improved over 3 years and is not in as bad a state as people make out on here.

I accept that it looks like Jose is not a big fan or Depay, Schweinie or Schnieders, but Jose seems happy with Rojo, Blind and Martial. Maybe the former two as backup and Martial as first team. Not really sure what he thinks of Darmian. I think most on here don't see Herrera or Shaw as LVG. Mata and Fellani are Moyes. Most of the others are Fergie (DDG, Carrick, Smaling, Jones, Young, Rooney) and a few youth.

LVG didn't want to buy backup players but that's exactly what he did, It's not as Darmian, Shweini, Depay and Schneider suddenly stopped performing for Jose, They didn't do well for LVG either. He wasn't any good at judging what players he needed. Luck or not all 4 of Mou's signings have been great but that's down to his motivational skills I think. Under LVG no one even seemed to care except maybe Herrera and LVG benched him. We will never know what would have happened if he got one more season but I doubt it would have been good.
 
It's performances like today that show how much we needed a coach the caliber of Jose. LVG was a waste of time here.
 
What's with all the LVG apologists? I get the feeling that if they walked in on him screwing their missus they would say he laid the foundations for the rest of the relationship.
 
Hmm well I personally rate Tim sherw00d for what he did with Harry Kane. I feel without him spurs wouldn't be as good right now. Likewise LVG has done this type of things with countless young players at 4 different clubs - where most or not all of said youth becaming pivotal. It's really not as complicated as some people seem to take it.

Whether he accidentally picked someone or he took a gamble or if he even sh*t out youth; I couldn't care less as long as it benefits the club in the future.

If Rashford is as big as we think he is going to be then to say LVG wasn't important in his career is absolutely ludicrous.

Same goes with Kane & Sherwpdd - difference being that LVG has done it at every club he has been at.

In that case, is there any coach on earth who has left a big club without at least one of his buys or promoted players being useful to the next coach? Even Moyes got us Mata and would have probably got more good players if he stayed as long as LVG. Anyone who takes over clubs like Utd, Barca and Bayern will always inherit a great set of players which he has to improve on, but it seems any coach who takes over an LVG club has to bring his own first 11 or else all his successes get attributed to him. Successes that never seem to come when the said LVG is around. It's a strange theory that's exclusive to only LVG. Real Madrid won the CL months after Mou left with pretty much his first 11, won another one about a year later, yet you don't hear anyone talking about Mourinho 'foundations'. But LVG fans keep falling over themselves to give LVG 'credit' for stuff that happened 2 managers and 2 years after LVG.
If foundations simply mean leaving leaving good players for the next manager, name one coach who left a big club without doing this.
 
You make it sound as though the first time you saw United do this was under LVG. I mean did you never see it with Fergie, Moyes? Do you not see other teams do it frequently?

The whole argument from people who want to bring LVG into the conversation in a negative manner at every opportunity is that somehow a manager would tell his players not to go forward, always pass backwards and so on. I just don't get how you make that conclusion. There was probably more side way passes than anything under LVG. It would be more accurate to say we were boring as feck because the players were told not to take risk or waste the ball. If they couldn't find a red shirt they were probably told to keep ball and then pass to a red shirt when it was available. But believing LVG was all about passing the ball backwards seems totally weird to me.
We were talking about VG earlier and that was a follow on from an earlier part of this thread thats why he was mentioned. Your right VG was all about possession for possessions sake with no real end product. He was behind more backward and sideways passes than any other manager in the premiership if you remember the stats.
 
In that case, is there any coach on earth who has left a big club without at least one of his buys or promoted players being useful to the next coach? Even Moyes got us Mata and would have probably got more good players if he stayed as long as LVG. Anyone who takes over clubs like Utd, Barca and Bayern will always inherit a great set of players which he has to improve on, but it seems any coach who takes over an LVG club has to bring his own first 11 or else all his successes get attributed to him. Successes that never seem to come when the said LVG is around. It's a strange theory that's exclusive to only LVG. Real Madrid won the CL months after Mou left with pretty much his first 11, won another one about a year later, yet you don't hear anyone talking about Mourinho 'foundations'. But LVG fans keep falling over themselves to give LVG 'credit' for stuff that happened 2 managers and 2 years after LVG.
If foundations simply mean leaving leaving good players for the next manager, name one coach who left a big club without doing this.
Well said. Did folks credit Atkinson for laying the foundations for Fergie to flourish?...No.
 
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