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Do you want LVG sacked?

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SteveJ said:
What is it with LVG's constant overrating of non-world-class opposition players? Is he too open for his own good, or is he just getting excuses in early or after-the-fact?:
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To be fair, A.Carroll is currently in top form.
In his last game he scored a hat-trick.
Carroll's problem is injury - the guy is always "coming back" from injury. But when he plays and is fully fit, he is damn good. I guess that's why LFC paid so much money for him...before his inevitable injury problems.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
On the other hand, how quick they jump ship if Giggs fails miserably? They say in adversity you find out who your true friends are.
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I think he would get the Moyes treatment.
He'd be fired and Giggs would come out ans say that he had no idea, he was about to be fired.
The board would then distance themselves and say that he was not top of the shortlist. The other managers were not available.

I think that Fergie wants to retain some control and he can do this through Giggs.
Jose would be uncontrollable and do as he pleases.
 
JPRouve said:
We don't really have any deadwood, the players are devoid of confidence and they are probably as uninspired and puzzled by Van gaal than we are. If I look at other clubs and stop at Lyon, people were saying the same thing, the players weren't good enough, they were lacking in character but the journos were also leaking stories about unrest in the locker room, players being extremely disappointed by their manager and when Lyon sacked Fournier everything changed almost instantly the players seemed different, weeks after weeks they built their confidence and now they are arguably the best team in the league.

Funnily enough LVG's attitude is pretty close to Fournier's, it's always the players fault or a lack of luck.
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Totally agree. di Maria onwards, he's managed to turn each player into a parody of the player that was originally bought. Memphis looks like he'd struggle in a schoolboy team, Darmian is nothing like the player that started the season, di Maria - enough said, Martial looks bemused most of the time, Mata looks nothing like a player who's twice been Player of the Year for Chelsea, Schweinsteiger doesn't look like a WC winner, Schneiderlin looks nothing like the player we saw at Southampton, Blind and Rojo play out of position all the time. Even the over-the-hill Rooney looks better for England than United. The only player who has stayed true to form is David de Gea. Coincidence that he's got a dedicated coach and can't be shunted across different positions?

Any player would be totally justified for being demoralized and frankly no matter how professional you are, your performance just isn't the same if you hate the guy on top. I see that even in the cut-throat world of management consulting. Some managers get their teams to perform better than others. Accepted fact that the best managers are rewarded for. There's no reason why football would be any different...

Mister_Stubbs said:
That's the worry.

Truth is lose tomorrow and both LVG and Giggs should be sacked with Warren Joyce given till the end of the season before Jose arriving.

Sadly though even if we sack LVG I can't see the club having the balls to sack Giggs.
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Won't happen (though it should have happened in the winter). Giggs somehow seems to have got immunity. When Moyes changed the entire managerial team, Giggs was appointed to ensure "continuity" because "he knows the club". When LvG changed the team, Giggs stayed for the same reason. Makes you wonder how Pep won at Bayern, Jose won at Chelsea, Inter and Real and how Klopp, Pochettino and the likes make things tick at their clubs. Wonder who Slaven Bilic retained from BFS' team... Even now, none of the writers seems to be highlighting how Giggs must either be completely ineffective or complicit in the debacles that LvG is presiding over. I shudder to imagine what could ensue if he gets sole charge. Given that Neville was always considered smarter than Giggs, Gary's Valencia run offers a grim example of what could come to pass...
 
sunama said:
I think he would get the Moyes treatment.
He'd be fired and Giggs would come out ans say that he had no idea, he was about to be fired.
The board would then distance themselves and say that he was not top of the shortlist. The other managers were not available.

I think that Fergie wants to retain some control and he can do this through Giggs.
Jose would be uncontrollable and do as he pleases.
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Do you realize how insane that sounds? You're making SAF out to be some kind of Emperor Palpatine like figure.
 
sunama said:
I think he would get the Moyes treatment.
He'd be fired and Giggs would come out ans say that he had no idea, he was about to be fired.
The board would then distance themselves and say that he was not top of the shortlist. The other managers were not available.

I think that Fergie wants to retain some control and he can do this through Giggs.
Jose would be uncontrollable and do as he pleases.
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Won't be able to do that this time as everyone and his dog know that Mourinho is very much available now.
 
midnightmare said:
Totally agree. di Maria onwards, he's managed to turn each player into a parody of the player that was originally bought. Memphis looks like he'd struggle in a schoolboy team, Darmian is nothing like the player that started the season, di Maria - enough said, Martial looks bemused most of the time, Mata looks nothing like a player who's twice been Player of the Year for Chelsea, Schweinsteiger doesn't look like a WC winner, Schneiderlin looks nothing like the player we saw at Southampton, Blind and Rojo play out of position all the time. Even the over-the-hill Rooney looks better for England than United. The only player who has stayed true to form is David de Gea. Coincidence that he's got a dedicated coach and can't be shunted across different positions?
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Very very true. We have good players, but the longer they play under LVG the worse they get. Darmian started really well and looked like a proper player, finally right back was sorted right? 7 months later and he looks like a Sunday league player. Shaw may have had a decent result being injured as he won't have been tainted by this shit show.
Doesn't help LVG consistently plays people out of position.

A new manager would get so much more out of this group. We don't have the best squad in the league, but we certainly don't have the 5th best either.
 
So Louis... Many peope are questioning your decisions. Repeatedly. Tell us about your Philosophy. How did that evolve?

Well, I have made a study of some antics and based it on that. Did you see Rooney's chip in training?
 
Just what the hell are the board waiting for? A sign from heaven? I hoped for a manager who would get us playing fast, attacking and attractive football, right now I would settle for dull competence.
 
The Purley King said:
Very very true. We have good players, but the longer they play under LVG the worse they get. Darmian started really well and looked like a proper player, finally right back was sorted right? 7 months later and he looks like a Sunday league player. Shaw may have had a decent result being injured as he won't have been tainted by this shit show.
Doesn't help LVG consistently plays people out of position.

A new manager would get so much more out of this group. We don't have the best squad in the league, but we certainly don't have the 5th best either.
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Spot on. Smalling apart, most have been played all over the pitch and had little if any consistency. Darmian for example has played LB, RB and even CB. Blind has played LB, LCB and DM when required, Schweinsteiger has played DM most of the time, but has also played AM (shocking; see Arsenal) and played alongside players that don't complement him. Herrera has barely played (cue his trying too hard and then getting dropped each time he plays well), Martial has played LW, RW and CF. Young has played RB, LB, LW, RW, #10 and CF (that he's in the squad is shocking enough; top play all these positions is just madness!). The list is endless. I could rant about Mata and even someone as dire as Fellaini (CF, #10, DM... what?) has been shunted around.

Pereira meanwhile has clearly lost favour (did he ever have it?) and he, Januzaj as well as Herrera would be entitled to agitate for a move if LvG stays.

To mutilate one of Metallica's worse songs:
And still the Coach hangs on,
Listen, the Board plays his song,
Ash to ash, dust to dust,
We'll fade to black...

Fortune, fame,
We used to be vain,
Now going insane....
Only memories remain...
 
If the stories of him ripping into Rashford are true, he can feck off even further, even higher, even bigger than before. What a fecking cancer.
 
I have never despised a man be it manager, player or couch while they were still at United. I have disliked players who are not good enough ya, Fellaini for example though at least he tries, but I despise Van Gaal. I hate how he ruins players with imagination. Takes no risks. His subs are pathetic and that's a compliment, says moronic statements about how we are good when even Stevie Wonder can see thats bull. I will celebrate the day he goes. The players are better than what is being forced upon them. The next manager surely cannot be worse and even if he somehow is there actually may be a thrill in watching us play.

Anyway rant over
 
LonelyFire said:
You're also making him out to be a saint - he's not.
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No he's not, nobody is. However saying that he wants Giggs hired so he can control things is bat shit crazy. The man is retired and nearing 80, give him a fecking break.
 
Stacks said:
Obviously the end of the season. There is little point sacking him now
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There's also little point in not sacking him now. The longer he's here, the more damage inflicted. Not only on the players, but the clubs image.
 
237 shots all season, only West Brom have had fewer. It makes my blood boil.
 
Shark said:
There's also little point in not sacking him now. The longer he's here, the more damage inflicted. Not only on the players, but the clubs image.
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I agree. It would be interesting to see the U21 manager step in as caretaker and start playing players in their natural positions for a change. The new man would then have a bit better idea who deserves to stay and who should go. Deciding that based on players' form whilst being forced to play out of position would be unfair and unsound.
 
We are 2nd lowest in the league in shots taken, only West Brom below us and they've been catching up in recent months so it's not unthinkable we'll finish with league minimum. Some achievement Louis.
 
DenisIrwin said:
I agree. It would be interesting to see the U21 manager step in as caretaker and start playing players in their natural positions for a change. The new man would then have a bit better idea who deserves to stay and who should go. Deciding that based on players' form whilst being forced to play out of position would be unfair and unsound.
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I've been saying exactly this for months now, the sooner he fecks off the longer we have to evaluate how good the players we have are, also the longer we have to convince certain players to stay before half the squad wants to leave because of this cretin, this is exactly why he SHOULD be sacked ASAP!
 
Stacks said:
Obviously the end of the season. There is little point sacking him now
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That was my attitude too, but just changed my vote to sack now. With him we'll likely at best win every other game or so and come 5th - 6th, maybe with the odd good performance, but can't see us achieving anything or putting together a run of good performances, we've only managed it once in the last two years.

Finally given up on him turning things around with any consistency. Shame, as I like him as a person and do believe in giving people time, but if we lose to west ham, there's literally nothing to lose in not rolling the dice. The football is dour, I haven't much faith in his team selection, we'd be out of the cup and we're not qualifying for the champions league anyway, may as well let him go (even if it's an interim thing) and see if it gives the team/stadium a pretty necessary lift.
 
Shark said:
There's also little point in not sacking him now. The longer he's here, the more damage inflicted. Not only on the players, but the clubs image.
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United are different to these mickey mouse clubs. We are steeped in tradition, honour and respect. In order to maintain our dignity and that of our manager's, we must let the manager take the season's goals right to the wire, even if it hinders our plans for next season. We mustn't make haste with big ambitions signings because at the end of the day, we gotta leave room in the squad for youngsters and these big egos can have a stunting effect on their growth. It's no surprise that both Januzaj and Wilson tapered off once we signed Di Maria and Falcao. There is a way and it's called "the United Way" and throughout the stadium everything is a reminder of our glorious past (pictures, trophies, statues). The local lads are an embodiment of the United way, which is why sometimes we must give 100+ games to the likes of Tom Cleverley and Daniel Nii-Tackie Welbeck whilst allowing the odd Paul Pogba's of the world to slip through our grasp. The United way is about continuity which is why legends of the past must take up coaching, directorial, ambassadorial and management roles at the club, irrespective of their qualifications to do so. If we sack Van Gaal now and Giggs doesn't take over next year, who else is going to develop our academy players and stick with our traditions of playing wingers, playing wide, and slinging that ball into the box whilst our strikers await with glee?
And no it doesn't matter if we get left behind because at the end of the day, we stick to our traditions, just like Barcelona did.

There I said it!
 
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Stacks said:
United are different to these mickey mouse clubs. We are steeped in tradition, honour and respect. In order to maintain our dignity and that of our manager's, we must let the manager take the season's goals right to the wire, even if it hinders our plans for next season. We mustn't make haste with big ambitions signings because at the end of the day, we gotta leave room in the squad for youngsters and these big egos can have a stunting effect on their growth. It's no surprise that both Januzaj and Wilson tapered off once we signed Di Maria and Falcao. There is a way and it's called "the United Way" and throughout the stadium everything is a reminder of our glorious past (pictures, trophies, statues). The local lads are an embodiment of the United way, which is why sometimes we must give 100+ games to the likes of Tom Cleverley and Daniel Nii-Tackie Welbeck whilst allowing the odd Paul Pogba's of the world to slip through our grasp. The United way is about continuity which is why legends of the past must take up coaching, directorial, ambassadorial and management roles at the club, irrespective of their qualifications to do so. If we sack Van Gaal now and Giggs doesn't step in, who else is going to develop our academy players and stick with our traditions of playing wingers, playing wide, and slinging the ball into the box whilst our strikers await with glee?
And no it doesn't matter if we get left behind because at the end of the day, we stick to our traditions, just like Barcelona did.

There I said it!
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I hope this is a piss take - because it reads like one.
 
midnightmare said:
Spot on. Smalling apart, most have been played all over the pitch and had little if any consistency. Darmian for example has played LB, RB and even CB. Blind has played LB, LCB and DM when required, Schweinsteiger has played DM most of the time, but has also played AM (shocking; see Arsenal) and played alongside players that don't complement him. Herrera has barely played (cue his trying too hard and then getting dropped each time he plays well), Martial has played LW, RW and CF. Young has played RB, LB, LW, RW, #10 and CF (that he's in the squad is shocking enough; top play all these positions is just madness!). The list is endless. I could rant about Mata and even someone as dire as Fellaini (CF, #10, DM... what?) has been shunted around.

Pereira meanwhile has clearly lost favour (did he ever have it?) and he, Januzaj as well as Herrera would be entitled to agitate for a move if LvG stays.

To mutilate one of Metallica's worse songs:
And still the Coach hangs on,
Listen, the Board plays his song,
Ash to ash, dust to dust,
We'll fade to black...

Fortune, fame,
We used to be vain,
Now going insane....
Only memories remain...
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I hate LVG and love Metallica, this post is great.
 
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