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LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Will be interesting watching Leicester's 1-0 win vs our own on MOTD tonight.
The results are the same but that will be about all I suspect.
The results are the same but that will be about all I suspect.
Southampton should've been 2-0 up.
I should have invested in Apple in 1997.
My Dad and brother watched both games and said they were like different sports.
I missed the end of the United game as I was falling alseep so went out for a walk. It's gotten that bad.
The 2nd half of our game was considerably better than the 1st half
Strange you got bored when we were 1-0 up
Heard we still have lowest goals at home, in all 4 divisions in English football, what I heard the commentators say today
It seems so.
It's not difficult considering we've only scored 39 overall
I just find it really hard to care right now. We're going nowhere with LVG and I don't believe this team can get top 4.
It's symptomatic of standards that have fallen so far it's not funny anymore. Like Captain like Managed. Both do stuff that are expected of them as part of their jobs and suddenly everything is good despite a mountain of crap served up.
Feels like we have two massive problems now on the Jose Mourinho front
(1) Judging by the press conference comments and what happened with Moyes, it seems we don't want to sack LVG until Champions' League is mathematically impossible, partly so that Woodie can save a few quid and partly to avoid looking quixotic. At this rate, Jose will have gone elsewhere by the time LVG finally cocks it up.
(2) We look like we're creating something interesting for next season by playing young players - TFM, Rashford, Martial, Lingard. But this is exactly the opposite of the way Jose plays. He buys established, thick skinned players and bullies them into performing. So everything LVG has achieved here will be lost.
I think we need a different new manager.
(1) Judging by the press conference comments and what happened with Moyes, it seems we don't want to sack LVG until Champions' League is mathematically impossible, partly so that Woodie can save a few quid and partly to avoid looking quixotic. At this rate, Jose will have gone elsewhere by the time LVG finally cocks it up.
(2) We look like we're creating something interesting for next season by playing young players - TFM, Rashford, Martial, Lingard. But this is exactly the opposite of the way Jose plays. He buys established, thick skinned players and bullies them into performing. So everything LVG has achieved here will be lost.
I think we need a different new manager.
LvG at the moment does not look or sound like a manager that knows he is off this summer!....And that to me is a scary thought.
Agree with @glazed second point..all the good that has come this season in regards to youth will be wasted if Maureen is our new manager... I still want him though!
Agree with @glazed second point..all the good that has come this season in regards to youth will be wasted if Maureen is our new manager... I still want him though!
Even Moyes himself said he had made loads of plans for the next season and his sacking came as a big shock to him. Let him believe he is safe and put everything into getting top four then he will be gone.
I really want to believe you but I don't want to get my hopes up to crash and burn...I do that at every Muppet transfer window, can't cope with that anymore
This is what I dont understand.
We get one win (which happened to be a tediously boring game, though the 2nd half was good) and people are very happy for LVG to continue.
They don't want Jose because all he will do is win.
Jose has a history of building teams who score lots of goals and win trophies, which is the MUFC way. Winning.
LVG's MUFC is extraordinarily boring to watch and if Di Maria's interview is anything to go by, players are not enjoying themselves, which does show in our football.
And lets not forget, if LVG stays, DDG, our best player, is almost certainly gone. Without him, LVG's team would most likely be in the bottom half of the table (and probably will be next season).
I really want to believe you but I don't want to get my hopes up to crash and burn...I do that at every Muppet transfer window, can't cope with that anymore
Dude, I understand what you are saying and I actually mock the fans who are deluded enough to think we can get those players who they dream of.
But Jose is very attainable, has already signed an agreement with us and will be the first manager since Fergie, who has the 'win at all costs mentality'.
Jose's deal is not like the "we are serious about buying Neymar".
"Subbing full-backs only thing that makes me feel alive anymore, admits van Gaal
Describing the practice as “a thrill like nothing ever felt before or since”, Louis van Gaal today admitted that subbing full-backs is the only thing that makes him feel alive anymore.
Speaking after his side’s victory over Everton, the Manchester United manager revealed that throughout his entire life he has struggled to match the rush that accompanies taking off a full-back and replacing him with another.
“A few extra goals would’ve been nice but I really just need my fix. Honestly I don’t know what I would have done if I couldn’t have brought on Timothy. Of course, one hit’s never enough so Tony had to come on too,” said the visibly shaking and exhilarated coach, adding that his attempts to quench his thirst by subbing holding midfielders had been unsuccessful.
“It’s not a problem, though. I can stop any time I want. And really, when you think about it, it’s not hurting anyone except United fans.”
At press time, van Gaal had reportedly raised eyebrows among squad members after ordering full-backs Matteo Darmian and Marcos Rojo to switch places in the stadium car park."
http://thebanternarrative.com/2016/...-makes-me-feel-alive-anymore-admits-van-gaal/
Describing the practice as “a thrill like nothing ever felt before or since”, Louis van Gaal today admitted that subbing full-backs is the only thing that makes him feel alive anymore.
Speaking after his side’s victory over Everton, the Manchester United manager revealed that throughout his entire life he has struggled to match the rush that accompanies taking off a full-back and replacing him with another.
“A few extra goals would’ve been nice but I really just need my fix. Honestly I don’t know what I would have done if I couldn’t have brought on Timothy. Of course, one hit’s never enough so Tony had to come on too,” said the visibly shaking and exhilarated coach, adding that his attempts to quench his thirst by subbing holding midfielders had been unsuccessful.
“It’s not a problem, though. I can stop any time I want. And really, when you think about it, it’s not hurting anyone except United fans.”
At press time, van Gaal had reportedly raised eyebrows among squad members after ordering full-backs Matteo Darmian and Marcos Rojo to switch places in the stadium car park."
http://thebanternarrative.com/2016/...-makes-me-feel-alive-anymore-admits-van-gaal/
I wouldn't say so. With SAF in charge we would have won the league by a country mile
Really ! I dont see that, even after a win the calls are still for him to go.
Even when we win , we are still shit, City and Everton games both wins and both shite games, there is no excitement there any more, yesterday when we scored it was just a case of , meh we have scored, no cheering or shouting which I would normally do.
Yes a win is a win but FFS watching United is like pulling teeth right now.
This is the very reason I dont want him here.
It is not a problem with LvG or Utd in general and seems more with the individual if one is unable to feel happy for a goal or with a win. Unless someone is so obsessed with having LvG out that one would rather have the team lose to see him go, then I dont see why would one feel so unexcited.
Even I would like to see LvG go, because of various things. Doesn't stop me feeling happy when the players we have do good things.
I can't take the idea that his future hinges on us getting fourth seriously. I know the people running the club seem to be money oriented, but spending all that money over two summers and being satisfied with fourth is so wrong, more so that even if we make fourth, its basically because teams around us have been shite.
Yeah... have to admit the current United games lack excitement and honestly the unknown future of LVG just causes me unmitigated trepidation.
I understand that not everything goes to plan, but his completely misplaced arrogance on his intellect and philosophy with our dreary play style just does my head in. It is the Emperor with no clothing for him and the United board from where I sit.
Once I *KNOW* he is gone I will feel much better.
I understand that not everything goes to plan, but his completely misplaced arrogance on his intellect and philosophy with our dreary play style just does my head in. It is the Emperor with no clothing for him and the United board from where I sit.
Once I *KNOW* he is gone I will feel much better.
This is what I concern most if Mourinho becomes our new manager. No way he will give chances to the youngster and let them develop here, he never really done that in his whole career, to a point that its almost totally against his philosophy/approach in football.
I think any United fan would be lying if they said this doesn't concern them. However in the absence of more suitable candidates and in the context of this season's failure after the monet poured on the team he is the best candidate around.
Obsession with him going is not the problem , in fact I think he will stay and see out his contract, just not enjoying football at the moment, simple has that.
That I blame LVG on 100%
Those caf members worried about Jose ruining all the work on the youth front, that's just crazy, how many youth players did he (Jose) overlook at any of his clubs in the past, that have gone on to do great things?
If the players are good enough and from what I've seen to date there are only a few potentials (excluding the big buy in martial), he will find a place for them but at the right rate for their stage in development i.e. The odd start but more commonly off the bench. Not just slamming them into the first 11 and not resting them game after game until the start to pass backwards!
Also if you want to look at manager that has overlooked good players in the youth setup and not found a place for them, look to our own saf, there are plenty of names he let go that went on to be not just good players but world class.
If the players are good enough and from what I've seen to date there are only a few potentials (excluding the big buy in martial), he will find a place for them but at the right rate for their stage in development i.e. The odd start but more commonly off the bench. Not just slamming them into the first 11 and not resting them game after game until the start to pass backwards!
Also if you want to look at manager that has overlooked good players in the youth setup and not found a place for them, look to our own saf, there are plenty of names he let go that went on to be not just good players but world class.
1. It might well be that Mourinho had a non-compete clause in his contract, or he/Chelsea have chosen to stagger the severance payment - i.e. he continues getting paid week by week rather than receiving a lump sum upfront. Often when you see managers on TV talking about the game and you wonder why they're not back in football, it's because they're still being paid by their old club. I wouldn't be surprised if that's Mourinho's situation (given his previous track record of success, it also wouldn't be surprising if Chelsea had inserted a clause in his contract prohibiting him from working for another club this season).
2. Mourinho's record with young players isn't as bad as many on here assume. He's bought, and given chances to, plenty of youngsters - Varane, Zouma, Morata, Balotelli, Santon, Robben and Carlos Alberto to name a few. Yes he didn't bring through any academy lads at Chelsea but then none of Chelsea's nine managers in the post-Abramovich era has done so, which tells you something about either the club's priorities or the quality of players coming through. You can criticise him for not bringing through a Patrick Bamford (can't even get in the Palace team) or Josh McEachran (now playing for Brentford in the Championship) but this seems a bit harsh to be honest.
Whether true or not, he'd want certainty in his own mind by May to start preparing. I see no certainty that LVG will go, or that he will be replaced by JM. I just see squabbling directors, an inexperienced Woodward and clueless Glazers.
soton keeper was MOTM - 2-0 not so sure I watched it and LC had the better chances all match. and LC pushed and pushed hard for another it looked to me like LVG said - "1-0 perfect".
Premier League Possession
1. Manchester United: 58.8
18. Leicester City: 44.8
We are winning. All is good and LvG is a noble man who sacrifices himself to build for the better future. Any success we have after he goes will be credited to him and his genius notetaking.
The man obviously knows how to win best. Let's keep him and keep winning.
1. Manchester United: 58.8
18. Leicester City: 44.8
We are winning. All is good and LvG is a noble man who sacrifices himself to build for the better future. Any success we have after he goes will be credited to him and his genius notetaking.
The man obviously knows how to win best. Let's keep him and keep winning.
Regardless of the rights and (many) wrongs of LVG's tenure, using Leicester as some sort of indication of a more pervasive trend ignores almost everything about them, IMO.
An 'individual' thing that has affected a lot of our fan base. The passion and excitement is greatly reduced, being momentarily thrilled with a goal or decent bit of play doesn't make up for the rest.
I can wait til the season ends, it's an odd felling I'm unused to.
It's unsustainable for Man Utd or any top club to have Leicester kind of possession statistics. What we must learn is how to break down defenses. The whole United fa base will be in uproar if we were averaging 40% per game. I definitely don't want to see that. I want to see us playing in our opponents half as much as possible.
Exactly, those posts about comparisons of how useless possession is are nothing short of the stupidest lines of reasoning on this forum and that's saying something. They ignore the fact that pretty much all the best teams in the world dominate possession and yes that includes us under Fergie. If you look at the title winners from the best European leagues over whatever period you like to pick, you would find that the majority of them dominated possession more often than not. To ignore that and focus on bloody Leicester can only be explained by people getting overly emotional about LvG and just discounting everything he has ever done.
If I make a list of managers I want at Utd, Mou will be closer to the bottom than the top. I rate him as the 2nd least desirable manager and I am including EVERY manager in the world. The least desirable- Benitez! Thats how much I hate Mou
Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal has described his team's 1-0 Premier League win over Everton as a "stolen victory".
United had only two shots on target but Anthony Martial's close-range finish was enough to earn three points.
"We didn't play so well," Van Gaal said. "We didn't create many chances.
"Everton are a very good team, much stronger away than at home, and it was a very tight game. We were the lucky team today."
Manchester United have been dogged all season by criticism of their style of play - with Sunday providing the 15th occasion this season in all competitions that a match at Old Trafford has been goalless at half-time.
"We want to give entertainment for the fans, but the fans were entertained today because of the tension," Van Gaal said.
However, despite having the second-lowest goal total of any team in the top half of the table, United are just one point behind fourth-placed Manchester City and remain firmly in the race for the Champions League qualification places.
United, who had won 1-0 at City in the previous league match on 20 March, visit Tottenham next Sunday.
"If we lose today, the victory against Manchester City is worthless," Van Gaal said. "Now we are still in the race. We have a very important game against Tottenham."
United had only two shots on target but Anthony Martial's close-range finish was enough to earn three points.
"We didn't play so well," Van Gaal said. "We didn't create many chances.
"Everton are a very good team, much stronger away than at home, and it was a very tight game. We were the lucky team today."
Manchester United have been dogged all season by criticism of their style of play - with Sunday providing the 15th occasion this season in all competitions that a match at Old Trafford has been goalless at half-time.
"We want to give entertainment for the fans, but the fans were entertained today because of the tension," Van Gaal said.
However, despite having the second-lowest goal total of any team in the top half of the table, United are just one point behind fourth-placed Manchester City and remain firmly in the race for the Champions League qualification places.
United, who had won 1-0 at City in the previous league match on 20 March, visit Tottenham next Sunday.
"If we lose today, the victory against Manchester City is worthless," Van Gaal said. "Now we are still in the race. We have a very important game against Tottenham."
That seems strange to me. I understand if you have a dislike to the guy, he is a marmite character. But there is no denying his pedigree and the fact he would improve this team. To not want that over a personal dislike I don't get, especially given our situation at present.
I'm not trying to make any pervasive trend of anything. All I wanted to say is based on LvG's interviews, he is so obsessed with keeping possession at all costs that it almost seems to be his end goal rather than means to win games, and that it's clearly not working in our favor.
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