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Let's hope it's true, we dithered too long with Moyes until it was too late to salvage anything, hopefully we won't make the same mistake again!
Livewire1974 said:
Plenty of rumours going round that he has been fired or is about to leave by mutual consent. No credible sources reporting it yet though.
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Lentwood said:
I voted to keep van Gaal and have defended him to the hilt on here but I'm starting to think it would be best if he left.

Clearly lots of people already had opinions on him before he started at Utd. The media painted a picture of him as arrogant, difficult to get on with and very methodical. Surprise surprise the sheeple are now branding him arrogant, difficult to get on with and very methodical!

The players know he is only in the job for another 40-50 games or so which can't help either.

I think he has improved us and left plenty to build on, but since clearly most Utd fans are never going to accept him it's creating a poisonous atmosphere around the ground.

If the right man were available in the summer looks increasingly like we should make the move. If that happens to be Guardiola will be interesting what accusations are levelled at him after every defeat because Moyes was a good PL manager who has been ridiculed, LvG is an excellent manager with a great record and he now looks like a lame duck. Unless Guardiola can get real quality into the side I doubt he would do a great deal better and I think then we will have to wake up and realise managers don't miss chances or spill the ball into their own goal or make defensive errors and more responsability should rest with the players.
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Maybe he's arrogant, difficult to get on with and very methodical.
 


This seems to be the twit/tweet thats started it.

Never heard of him, but I have heard of the Blizzard. And he claims he's Dutch, so you know, its definitely true.

Edit: It also appears its a fake account, because apparently people are sad enough to make fake accounts for no-mark journos.
 
NinjaFletch said:


This seems to be the twit/tweet thats started it.

Never heard of him, but I have heard of the Blizzard. And he claims he's Dutch, so you know, its definitely true.

Edit: It also appears its a fake account, because apparently people are sad enough to make fake accounts for no-mark journos.
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Yep it's fake alright, but it seems to have reeled a lot of people in.
 
Lentwood said:
I don't disagree with some of the points you make but I have to take issue with the point about selling half our squad - our 23 man squad is stronger now than it was when he took over, to have this many players injured at one time would decimate any team
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I'd have more sympathy if we hadn't got a history of suffering with injuries, there were times where we had five defenders out all at once last season as well and we regularly had two, three or four missing. In fact out of 38 league games in 14/15 there was only 14 where we had one or no defenders out. No one's saying that having so many players out all at once shouldn't affect the teams he picks because it obviously will, the problem is that knowing before the start the season that we had more games due to our involvement in Europe, it made no sense to reduce the squad further.
 
NinjaFletch said:


This seems to be the twit/tweet thats started it.

Never heard of him, but I have heard of the Blizzard. And he claims he's Dutch, so you know, its definitely true.

Edit: It also appears its a fake account, because apparently people are sad enough to make fake accounts for no-mark journos.
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If we learned anything from Moyes it's that if we're sacking the manager every journalist in the world will be told and we won't have to ask if some random twitter douche is reliable.
 
Lentwood said:
I don't disagree with some of the points you make but I have to take issue with the point about selling half our squad - our 23 man squad is stronger now than it was when he took over, to have this many players injured at one time would decimate any team

I'm not saying that the fans have an agenda against van Gaal, obviously the fans want whoever is in charge to be successful, but I do think that there is a media agenda against Manchester Utd and van Gaal.

Most City fans I know think Pellegrini has been very poor, but you never hear about it in the press. With the money they have spent and the squad they have they should be ten points clear at the top. Look at the way Klopp is hailed as the saviour of Liverpool every time they win a match. The media love him, narrowly avoid a defeat at home to WBA and gets praised for the togetherness they show celebrating at the end! They are 9th! Ok you could argue they aren't his players, but should they not still be better than Newcastle, Palace, WBA? Chelsea are 15th! Never mind losing to Bournemouth they are below them in the table with nearly half the season gone! Yet who do we hear about week after week on radio, tv and in the papers? Rumours from the training ground, ex-players sticking the knife in, constant hyperbole about so called "crisis" every time we don't win a football match. It's ridiculous and it poisons people's minds when we are bombarded with it constantly - we could quite easily be 2nd on Christmas Day and yet to listen to the way we are constantly savaged in the media anybody would think we hadn't won a game this season

To top it all off, even when we win that's not good enough and we get knocked for being boring! I'm sorry if some people will say this kind of post about media bias fits better on Blue Moon than RedCafe but people have been waiting to kick Man Utd for 25 years and now they have a chance they are being relentless
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Of course the press love having digs at us, but it's insulting to think that the fans are having a go at Van Gaal simply because of the media.

I have questions about LvG, but find most of the English media unbearable.
 
Rado_N said:
If we learned anything from Moyes it's that if we're sacking the manager every journalist in the world will be told and we won't have to ask if some random twitter douche is reliable.
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Ohh yes that was classy of us wasn't it, maybe we've stooped even lower this time and just let some random spread the news, then boom we'll drop a nonchalant tweet tomorrow confirming the news, along with how 'relaxed' we are about the situation.

....I know it's fake btw.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Ohh yes that was classy of us wasn't it, maybe we've stooped even lower this time and just let some random spread the news, then boom we'll drop a nonchalant tweet tomorrow confirming the news, along with how 'relaxed' we are about the situation.

....I know it's fake btw.
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I imagine Woody sitting around at his briefing meetings, telling all the journo's that we're definitely backing the manager whilst simultaneously getting on his @MaKeITrainBitchezwOOdy123 account and tweeting the news.

Its the way real clubs work.
 
So has anyone reliable confirmed whether there will be a meeting tomorrow morning or not?
 
KingCantona87 said:
Looks to be cock and bull sadly. Though as awful as I feel for saying this every part of my being wants it to be true.
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Me too, but if they're not good enough they're not good enough, were Manchester United ffs not Spurs etc, we are not just another football club, we should have top players and management, unfortunately lvg isn't doing as expected so unfortunately he should go.

Who cares if we sack a few to get a good one, every club in football does it, it's not like we'd be getting rid of Carlo like Chelsea and Real did, lvg isn't performing anything like he said he would or everyone expected so he needs to go.

If we do start sacking managers for finishing second for instance then fair enough but this situation is nothing like that.
 
spwd said:
Me too, but if they're not good enough they're not good enough, were Manchester United ffs not Spurs etc, we are not just another football club, we should have top players and management, unfortunately lvg isn't doing as expected so unfortunately he should go.

Who cares if we sack a few to get a good one, every club in football does it, it's not like we'd be getting rid of Carlo like Chelsea and Real did, lvg isn't performing anything like he said he would or everyone expected so he needs to go.

If we do start sacking managers for finishing second for instance then fair enough but this situation is nothing like that.
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100% agreed. Don't think we will pull the trigger yet mind. Fail to get a win at home to Norwich and then things are going to get real...
 
The idea that we should give him time is funny when you think about how ruthless he was with some of our ex players.

K2K said:
I have questions about LvG, but find most of the English media unbearable.
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Agreed. I don't believe they're impartial or particularly informed. I don't rate their opinion more than most YouTubers or members here and I am more likely to push against what they say then go along with it. I think they're only useful for giving exact quotes and for putting pressure on clubs when there needs to be (they do this only occasionally (e.g. Rooney)). Even pundits like Scholes make poor arguments (imo) against LVG and talk as if the previous 20 years were a never ending fantasy land where we won every game and bought every player; judging LVG against standards that never existed. And I am someone who is pretty close to believing we should sack him now rather than wait until the summer.
 
It's amazing how we are still top four. We could genuinely get 4th because we are awful but not as awful as two other teams. Van Gaal has had a lot of luck since he came here (apart from the injuries).
 
spwd said:
Me too, but if they're not good enough they're not good enough, were Manchester United ffs not Spurs etc, we are not just another football club, we should have top players and management, unfortunately lvg isn't doing as expected so unfortunately he should go.

Who cares if we sack a few to get a good one, every club in football does it, it's not like we'd be getting rid of Carlo like Chelsea and Real did, lvg isn't performing anything like he said he would or everyone expected so he needs to go.

If we do start sacking managers for finishing second for instance then fair enough but this situation is nothing like that.
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You can't say he is massively underperforming yet though.

He done his job last year of getting us back into the top 4 and now it could be argued that we are in a title challenge, albeit a poor one. Fair enough we haven't done anything in the cups but the league is where you should be judged.
 
I didn't say massively but I think he is by the way, and why are we just judging him on the league when we are out of a piss easy cl group and out of the lc and we just lost to Bournemouth ffs in the league, and this was our easy fixture games, can you explain to us why you think we can do better against a lot better opposition in a crazy period over Christmas when we ate looking worse by the minute?
 
And please don't say injuries,see my post and Arytons on the previous pages.
 
horsechoker said:
Seeing Klopp celebrating with the players at the end is a bit embarrassing for Liverpool and small time, but I get the sense that he loves the players and appreciate them even if they are shit. It's was the same with Fergie, with LVG I don't get that feeling. Yes, these are grown men on huge salaries but some love can go a long way.
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I didn't see it that way, to me it was Klopp saying I'm one of you, we are all in this together: manager, players, fans. A team building, bonding moment. The kind of thing you go on a corporate retreat to achieve, but for real.

I do agree with you that we could use a bit of that ourselves, such team spirit could make a real difference.
 
Get rid now, try and save top 4 either through the league or Europa league, there is nothing surer that we will not get top four as things stand, we are playing shite, he has decimated the squad so it cannot cope and we have a shit load of injuries. Things were bad and boring and pretty much unacceptable, but the only thing that we had going for us was we didn't concede goals, that is fecked now too, 2 set pieces against Wolfsburg, 2 set pieces against Bournemouth, that says heads are gone. Sniff out guardiola and ancelotti, Giggs as short term as a possibility and see what he is made of, we need to get top 4, as underwhelming as that sounds. I can see a shit load of defeats on the way, morale is fecked and we do not look capable of achieving anything.
 
MkPaul said:
So has anyone reliable confirmed whether there will be a meeting tomorrow morning or not?
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There are regular board meetings. During the next one, the shambolic position of our core business (the pitch) are likely to be discussed. Sir Bobby and Sir Alex will be asked for their input. Its interesting that we have not seen TV cameras pan to either at recent games.....
 
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Livewire1974 said:
There are regular board meetings. During the next one, the shambolic position on our core are (the pitch) will be discussed. Sir Bobby and Sir Alex will be asked for their input. Its interesting that we have not seen TV cameras pan to either at recent games.....
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Woodward and Bobby were both in camera during the game on Saturday and neither looked very happy.
 
He's gone, end of season latest.

Lost the players and now he's lost the fans. No going back. This is echos of Moyes after Fulham.
 
ZDwyr said:
It's amazing how we are still top four. We could genuinely get 4th because we are awful but not as awful as two other teams. Van Gaal has had a lot of luck since he came here (apart from the injuries).
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The difference is? When Moyes was in charge the top dogs were far more ruthless, city and Liverpool could rip sides apart, Arsenal are a consistent top 4 side, Chelsea were on the rise, factoring in Everton and Spurs made up the top 6, and Moyes was blown away. VG is performing to a Moyes level currently, he's just lucky his rivals are pretty much inept
 
The 13/14 season wasn't without its injury crises either, one such being when both Rooney and RVP were unavailable for (fortunately Danny stepped up and scored something like 5 goals in 7 games). Even Hernandez chipped in with nine over the course of the season. That sort of redundancy was part of Fergie's legacy of course.

If we leave Van Gaal in place until the summer he'll only inflict more damage, and the squad has suffered quite enough already. Two seasons and 250m yet we're still short by a good half dozen players, it's completely ridiculous. The number could well be higher than that if Louis' continued presence ushers Herrera out of the door. Which is before you consider that neither Ancelotti nor Guardiola are going to look upon a Europa League destined United as a particularly attractive job opportunity.

What point is there in "steadying the ship" if you're only going to set course for a ruddy great big iceberg?
 
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See how the transfer window goes. If he's given little to no money to spend, that's it.
 
Oneunited26 said:
The difference is? When Moyes was in charge the top dogs were far more ruthless, city and Liverpool could rip sides apart, Arsenal are a consistent top 4 side, Chelsea were on the rise, factoring in Everton and Spurs made up the top 6, and Moyes was blown away. VG is performing to a Moyes level currently, he's just lucky his rivals are pretty much inept
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I know? That is basically what I said.
 
Tyrion said:
The idea that we should give him time is funny when you think about how ruthless he was with some of our ex players.



Agreed. I don't believe they're impartial or particularly informed. I don't rate their opinion more than most YouTubers or members here and I am more likely to push against what they say then go along with it. I think they're only useful for giving exact quotes and for putting pressure on clubs when there needs to be (they do this only occasionally (e.g. Rooney)). Even pundits like Scholes make poor arguments (imo) against LVG and talk as if the previous 20 years were a never ending fantasy land where we won every game and bought every player; judging LVG against standards that never existed. And I am someone who is pretty close to believing we should sack him now rather than wait until the summer.
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I actually do agree that the English press do not like LvG , and that has been evident for a long time(especially the pro Moyes gang). But I've never criticized him because of what they say. it's rather what I've seen myself.
 
Red Dreams said:
http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/so...-van-gaals-man-utd-exit-have-bookies-on-edge?

Here are the latest odds on the next manager to be sacked in the Premier League:

Louis van Gaal (Man Utd) 5/4

Jose Mourinho (Chelsea) 3/1

Steve McClaren (Newcastle) 6/1

Remi Garde (Aston Villa) 8/1

Alex Neil (Norwich) 12/1
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The jury must be out on McClaren after the Spurs result yesterday and Norwich fought back second half against Everton. Villa had as many chances as Arsenal yesterday but they gave away a stupid penalty and a second in poor play. The only team that was really crap was us, but then Chelsea tonight might save our blushes.
 
I keep hearing top 4 in many posts as some kind of holy grail. We should be disappointed if we finish second.
 
Sultan said:
I keep hearing top 4 in many posts as some kind of holy grail. We should be disappointed if we finish second.
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Aye.

Also, what's the feckin' point if we're just going to piss it all away when we actually get into the Champions League?
 
Sultan said:
I keep hearing top 4 in many posts as some kind of holy grail. We should be disappointed if we finish second.
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It's the creeping acceptance of mediocrity and it needs to stop. What's the point of being satisfied with Top 4 every season?
 
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