LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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United squads have competed on multiple fronts in spite of mounting injury problems for many years, that they are not presently able to to so is directly attributable to the decisions of the manager. Van Gaal was even confronted by such problems during his first season here, an experience which he evidently chose to disregard (throw in the extra CL football and it is only more baffling). A manager who fails to learn from their mistakes deserves to be sacked, and sooner rather than later.
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If we had a half decent manager we'd ace this poor league.
Spared his blushes today.
He gone yet
Schneiderlin is such a weird one. He was the one signing I really wanted this summer and he seems to be playing worse under LvG than he was at Southampton.
We are still 4th only due to Spurs being Spurs.
Being able to Point to other clubs and saying "See, they are shit too!" Is not exactly the criteria I look for in a United manager.
Until today I have been a supporter of Van Gaal. I have to say, I'm starting to change my mind. I was hoping he will be able to build on our 4th place finish last year. Second year now and we don't seem to be heading in the right direction.
I haven't voted yet, will wait to see how we respond in the next 3-4 weeks.
I haven't voted yet, will wait to see how we respond in the next 3-4 weeks.
Seeing Klopp celebrating with the players at the end is a bit embarrassing for Liverpool and small time, but I get the sense that he loves the players and appreciate them even if they are shit. It's was the same with Fergie, with LVG I don't get that feeling. Yes, these are grown men on huge salaries but some love can go a long way.
(this post sounds really soft)
(this post sounds really soft)
I voted to keep van Gaal and have defended him to the hilt on here but I'm starting to think it would be best if he left.
Clearly lots of people already had opinions on him before he started at Utd. The media painted a picture of him as arrogant, difficult to get on with and very methodical. Surprise surprise the sheeple are now branding him arrogant, difficult to get on with and very methodical!
The players know he is only in the job for another 40-50 games or so which can't help either.
I think he has improved us and left plenty to build on, but since clearly most Utd fans are never going to accept him it's creating a poisonous atmosphere around the ground.
If the right man were available in the summer looks increasingly like we should make the move. If that happens to be Guardiola will be interesting what accusations are levelled at him after every defeat because Moyes was a good PL manager who has been ridiculed, LvG is an excellent manager with a great record and he now looks like a lame duck. Unless Guardiola can get real quality into the side I doubt he would do a great deal better and I think then we will have to wake up and realise managers don't miss chances or spill the ball into their own goal or make defensive errors and more responsability should rest with the players.
Clearly lots of people already had opinions on him before he started at Utd. The media painted a picture of him as arrogant, difficult to get on with and very methodical. Surprise surprise the sheeple are now branding him arrogant, difficult to get on with and very methodical!
The players know he is only in the job for another 40-50 games or so which can't help either.
I think he has improved us and left plenty to build on, but since clearly most Utd fans are never going to accept him it's creating a poisonous atmosphere around the ground.
If the right man were available in the summer looks increasingly like we should make the move. If that happens to be Guardiola will be interesting what accusations are levelled at him after every defeat because Moyes was a good PL manager who has been ridiculed, LvG is an excellent manager with a great record and he now looks like a lame duck. Unless Guardiola can get real quality into the side I doubt he would do a great deal better and I think then we will have to wake up and realise managers don't miss chances or spill the ball into their own goal or make defensive errors and more responsability should rest with the players.
Your post is as if we have some sort of agenda towards him, when in reality most fans have been extremely patient with him and his dire excuse for football. Arrogance is fine, confidence is fine, even changing our style of play that has been successful for us for decades is fine. The fans stuck with him, but 18 months later and we're playing worse than we were at the start, on top of that he sold half our squad and didn't bring in any replacements, now our squad is hanging by threads. Not to add our constant 0-0 draws are beginning to turn into losses, he's struggling to rummage that one point he was managing now too.
There is no passion, no heart. LVG's goal was to always have a system where every player has to follow their instructions to a tee, seems he's achieved that, we've got 11 robots out there, no surprises, no risks, nothing. All these factors don't illustrate a manager who is good enough to be arrogant. At the end of the day what matters is results and he's come up short and fans are starting to lose patience, has nothing to do with an agenda. It's his job to motivate players. Moyes got out of the group stage with a much weaker team in a much harder group, it's unacceptable.
He's done a good job in stabilising us, strengthened well in some weak areas. It's time to bring in someone who can build on this though imo.
I agree, if this rot continues over the Christmas period then we should sack LvG and bring in Ancelotti, if he is available and willing to become our manager.
There's a lot to be said for waiting until the new year.
If we're still in the top four and within a few points of first by then I'd be tempted to stick by him.
If not and/or there have been any more meltdowns maybe it would be better if we cut ties.
If we're still in the top four and within a few points of first by then I'd be tempted to stick by him.
If not and/or there have been any more meltdowns maybe it would be better if we cut ties.
Every defeat and every draw puts us further away from winning the league, which is what we should be doing.
It is about salvaging something as far as I'm concerned. 3 wins in 14 is not acceptable and we have performed to our standard maybe once this season.
I don't disagree with some of the points you make but I have to take issue with the point about selling half our squad - our 23 man squad is stronger now than it was when he took over, to have this many players injured at one time would decimate any team
I'm not saying that the fans have an agenda against van Gaal, obviously the fans want whoever is in charge to be successful, but I do think that there is a media agenda against Manchester Utd and van Gaal.
Most City fans I know think Pellegrini has been very poor, but you never hear about it in the press. With the money they have spent and the squad they have they should be ten points clear at the top. Look at the way Klopp is hailed as the saviour of Liverpool every time they win a match. The media love him, narrowly avoid a defeat at home to WBA and gets praised for the togetherness they show celebrating at the end! They are 9th! Ok you could argue they aren't his players, but should they not still be better than Newcastle, Palace, WBA? Chelsea are 15th! Never mind losing to Bournemouth they are below them in the table with nearly half the season gone! Yet who do we hear about week after week on radio, tv and in the papers? Rumours from the training ground, ex-players sticking the knife in, constant hyperbole about so called "crisis" every time we don't win a football match. It's ridiculous and it poisons people's minds when we are bombarded with it constantly - we could quite easily be 2nd on Christmas Day and yet to listen to the way we are constantly savaged in the media anybody would think we hadn't won a game this season
To top it all off, even when we win that's not good enough and we get knocked for being boring! I'm sorry if some people will say this kind of post about media bias fits better on Blue Moon than RedCafe but people have been waiting to kick Man Utd for 25 years and now they have a chance they are being relentless
Why do most of you automatically assume Giggs would do a worse job than LVG at the moment?
Why do most of you automatically assume Giggs would do a worse job than LVG at the moment?
I think he would do a better job but I'm scared of seeing him fail, I don't want to see Giggs fail.
Apparently it's trending on Twitter that he's gone. I'm not on Twitter - anyone confirm?
I'm actually missing Moyes.
There's no need for that.
Can't see anything credible, but nothing is on Twitter.
Don't be silly.
All I saw was that there's been huge bets on him to go next and his odds on sky bet have been shortened to be the next manager to go.
It was on the M.E.N. website earlier that Marcel van der Kraan the Dutch journalist had said on Talksport that LvG had offered his resignation. That is likely where it came from.
I don't like him or his tactics now. He's been trying the same thing for weeks and it's not working. Stubborn git who refuses to adapt.
I hate watching United at the moment, it's boring and tiresome. I miss attacking football. Rant over.
I hate watching United at the moment, it's boring and tiresome. I miss attacking football. Rant over.
I have #ThisIsNotTheEndOfOneDirection.
Hmmm... Let's see eh.
Probably because we had the likes of RVP, Vidic, Rio, Evra et al still playing for us. I feel like playing a Adele song now...
If true, I hope he can come to an agreement to just see the rest of the season out so we can get our hands on Pep's beautiful shaven head. 
His odds have drifted into 3/1.
13/8 with SlyBet.
The rumours are nonsense. Fake accounts started both the radio stuff and the latest rumour.
I was going to reply to sunama but you've basically written everything I was going to, great post aryton.
I'm sick of hearing the injuries excuse, it's like some people believe we've been magnificent before them, also weve had damn injury problems for as many seasons as I can remember so it's even more baffling that old pan face decimated the squad as much as he did, if we could all see it was a massive risk why couldn't this world class manager
?And having injuries doesn't make you take off the two most influential players on the pitch in the respective games and put on Nick fxxxing Powell !
He's sounding so much like moyes it's incredible and lowering the standards week by week having spent a shit load of money and 5 times as much as Moyes and playing worse and worse!
For the money we have spent we should have players playing in their best position by now and back ups for at least some of them but we aren't in many areas which is down the pan face again.
Also people sticking up for his comments saying things have changed so he's right we should lower expectations is absolute bollocks, have bm,rm Barca said the same thing? No they haven't because they don't have this idiot in charge and they are still the biggest clubs, which we are part of, were spending like them and earn more than all but one but we shouldn't expect so much, he's an absolute clown and there's absolutely no reason to keep him, and I don't want Giggs to take over but I can't see that he'd do any worse if Carlo wouldn't come (which he would, just because he said that to the scousers don't believe for a minute he'd not come!).
Also I'd say he has improved our defence slightly(while we're in defence mode) eg just pissing about with the ball while the other teams let us keep it because they know our attack sucks, but how much is hard to measure because of my last sentence.
His flossoffy is basically making it up as you go along, it's absolute bs!
The only reason LVG is still in his job is because Chelsea, Dippers and Spurs have not been great, but even despite this there is and endgame feeling about him now.
Yep.
Or at least Liverpool and Chelsea have been shit anyway. If those two teams were doing okay, our league position would more accurately reflect how we've been playing all season.
Shite.
Plenty of rumours going round that he has been fired or is about to leave by mutual consent. No credible sources reporting it yet though.
A brave bet to pick LVG to leave or be fired before Maureen.
I hope its true but I highly doubt it. As I said earlier in the thread I think if he doesn't get a win in the next two games he is out.
Yeah, Klopp doesn't love the players nor Liverpool. Yet.
It's his man (and supporter) management skills being put to good effect. Give out some love and watch the players bend over backwards for you and the supporters idolise you without actually delivering anything.
If it leads to success in the next 18 months then it'll probably develop into a wonderful relationship.
He isn't going anywhere. He'll get this season at least.
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