LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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to be fair he did actually say before the season started we wouldnt win the title. Visionary
Looking at the way West Ham are playing don't think we will get past them anyway. Arsenal/City and West Ham will make sure we don't get CL as well.
Honestly, I didn't read it fully as it's all rather depressing. But the headline was that he thought he'd be 'under pressure' if he doesn't get top four...
That sounds logical enough. But if it's the world's worst kept secret that he's already lined up, then surely both LVG and the players are aware of this.
Doing something that would please the fans is something Woodward presumably would at least consider. I don't think it's in his best interest, nor the club's, to boost his current status as devil/clown/clownish devil, a status he enjoys both among fans and journalists at the moment. And by "best interest" I mean money wise, of course. That's what he cares about.
Do that myself sometimes but honestly, you should relax a little bit because there's very little (if none) chance he's staying.
No way are the club happy lingering about at 4th in the table.
I keep trying to convince myself that's true, but things are so dire under him that I can't even cling to the belief he will leave.
Nah, can't see him staying beyond this season.
Indeed, but as I said earlier that breaking point might well be us missing out on the top 4, hence my sheer lack of enthusiasm for our games right now.
It seems to me that United want to keep LvG if at all possible but for entirely different reasons, SAF & co because they want Giggs in charge & LvG seeing out his final year is the best chance of this happening, Woodward so he doesn't look like a fool for hiring him, and the Glazer's I would imagine just want the cheapest option whilst keeping the sponsors happy, which would be getting top 4 and keeping LvG.
If we want change of an epic proportion (Mourinho), then for me we need to finish 5th or lower, and I'm not even sure I want Mourinho! But it seems the lesser of the evils on offer.
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I'm trusting you here :P I dunno, I'm a pessimist the current situation and really can't imagine us employing Mourinho (we should though) and I do think he'll be here next year, but it's good to hear people convinced otherwise
I think you're too optimistic about this. There are several big figure board members who are determined to see this LvG to Giggs transition, and they need to keep LvG around for a little longer for that to happen.
There have been reports that we have signed a pre-contract with Mourinho, but there are also reports that Mourinho and Mendes have given us an ultimatum because we've not given him any concrete offer. There is a chance that LvG will be fired if we don't make top 4, but by far the most likely person to take over next will be Giggs considering how much support he seems to have from Charlton, SAF, class of 1992, other former United players vs Mourinho.
If we somehow land top 4 (which is unlikely), I think LvG is definitely staying till the end of his three year contract.
The way they ripped Palace apart for a ....2-2 draw today?
What are you basing this on? You don't know for sure that's the case.
I'd be way more inclined to believe the months of big name journalists, here and abroad who have long said Mourinho is a done deal.
Top 4 was not the target this season, absolute minimum was a title challenge and top 3.
We won the FA Cup in the 70s and 80s - that alone is not good enough nowadays
He'll be gone in the summer
We won the FA Cup in the 70s and 80s - that alone is not good enough nowadays
He'll be gone in the summer
How can you say that having witnessed the breathtaking stupidity of our board members that saw us forsake a title challenge under Mourinho during the 2nd half of this season in favour of sticking with LVG until now and who knows how far beyond?
The thing I don't get with Mourinho is that he hasn't been consistent has he? He can win a title for sure, but the season after that or the other one? Who we going to have then? Pochettino ( don't want either) would probably have lost the kids by then too.
Very confusing situation for probably 2 seasons of domestic trophies.
Very confusing situation for probably 2 seasons of domestic trophies.
Yes. West Ham scored 2 goals.
As a comparison, we have scored 2 goals in our last 3 matches.
Personally, I think we are competing for 5th place against WHU, though I do feel that WHU are a better team than us.
I think their recent form is one of the best in the league. They are in 4th. We are in 10th.
Don't forget that standards have fallen, though I do agree with everything you have said. 6th place won't cut it. Moyes was in shock when he was told this (and fired).
Think I said that before Palace turned up. Also West Ham went down to 10 and could have still nicked the game.
LvG may be shocked and fired or invited to retire but not for one minute do I think standards have fallen. All the talk of money rolling in no matter what success the club has is nonsense. The club still has to be successful to maintain the value of the club and the sponsors.
Board/owners have realised that if LvG stays we are not winning the league next season. Three years would be too much . With Mourinho we have more of a chance
Convinced the decision has been taken but couldn't appoint Mourinho and sack Lvg due to the respective contractual problems.
I'm the exact same; I said it a while ago. We can't win the title and aren't good enough to do anything in Europe so our results won't change anything in the short term. In the medium term, we're going nowhere with LVG. I've basically just be waiting for our season to end for about 2 months now.
If he's still in charge for next season, I'll feel like that in September ffs.
So you don't want Mourinho or Pochettino, so who do you want us to get in the summer?
Van Gaal: “I am there for every step that is being made for next season and I decided that we would only go to China for eight day.”
Looks like he is staying people!
Looks like he is staying people!
He just hasn't been told yet that's all
At Porto he defended the title.
At Chelsea he defended the title, before finishing 2nd to us (winning both domestic cups).
At Inter he defended the title.
At Real he finished 2nd to Barcelona after winning the title.
It's really only this season that one of his teams have flopped after winning the title.
He will feel good when its all over. He can take the Dutch FA job or retirement.
Who is consistent, though? Ancelotti is a firm favourite for some (obviously not for the United job right now as he's going to Bayern), but he too has good seasons and crap seasons.
Just have to accept that we can't always look long term. We need a winning manager and we need it now, we've already gone three wasteful years.
This has been done to death but it's quite possible Mourinho couldn't or didn't want to take the job mid-season.
And it was also reported Giggs didn't want an interim role.
The main reason I want him gone is that him staying basically confirms Giggs as our next manager.
Full quotes:
He wants to keep his tongue up van gaals hole of course!
We change the locks whilst he's in China!
Everybody panic!!
It doesn't change anything. This China trip would've been planned months ago, ofcourse LvG would've had some participation in that.
his constant criticism of not ideal preparation seems irrelevant with his matchday management
He really shouldn't have any leverage. He cut short preseason last year only to have a shit on a stick season.
All this preparation he has done at the club, changing this and changing that. Yet we are still terrible and get loads of injuries.
I believe he is laying the foundations so our next manager can succeed.
LVG is a great man - he sacrifices his own success/career, just so he can make the next guy look good.
Professionally speaking, I don't think I've ever met anybody in all my life who'd do that...but LVG...what a guy!
I fully believe that, Yes.
We are going to be eternally grateful aren't we? According to LvG that is.
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