He always seemed to get the team news before even the press, so he has his sources.
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That's fair enough, but having not personally met him myself (though, it would probably make little difference if I had), I can't trust him.
I do remember that period last season -- nevertheless, hard to gauge something like that even if one does have a source. The source has his/her own motives, etc. Added to that, this isn't exactly a controversial thing to say. I could say it, and most people would assume that it was true.
Pretty much been rumoured since before Christmas in one form or another. But then again, he apparently hasn't lost the dressing room in the standard sense - according to other sources.
Question is, of course, what's been decided regarding his future. If we have an agreement in place - for all intents and purposes - with Maureen, LVG is really nothing but a glorified caretaker at the moment. But if it's the case, it does beg certain questions: Does Woody expect the players to give 100% for a glorified (or rather, in practice, vilified) caretaker? And is there really no better alternative?
They should still be giving a 100% as it would be better for everyone including the next manager if we made the CL, but I do wonder if things aren't so clear cut and the players are worried that making the top 4 will see us stuck with LvG and therefore the motivation is blunted.
Well, it all depends on whether an actual decision has been made. I maintain that IF we've already decided that LVG needs to go, it's highly questionable that he's still the manager. It would mean
a) That we don't think he's good enough
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b) That we nevertheless think he's the best alternative for the remainder of the season.
And - as mentioned before - the earlier this possible conclusion was reached, the odder it looks.
I think two things that have kept this limbo of LvG in charge is that Jose couldn't come in immediately due to his Chelsea situation and trial, and Giggs apparently wouldn't do another interim stint, so basically if we have made the call on Jose and are waiting for him, other than Joyce we didn't really have a great interim option. Unlike Chelsea who have one seemingly on retainer, which I guess makes sense given how many times Abramovich has sacked a manager part of the way through a season.
Barney is alright. Doesn't bullshit for the sake of it and, I mean this in a good way, he is a top top red.
EDIT: Seriously, it's still banned? Anyways, he's a top supporter and one of the best reds you'll find
Yes, both of those seem likely enough. But the question still remains whether LVG is/was the best possible interim choice.
See, to my thinking if LVG was done for (no fight left in him, etc.) there wasn't much deliberation to be done. If Joyce is anything near a plausible candidate - well, give it to him. It's still better than doing nothing. Give Lippi a call - give anyone (except Rafa) a call.
At the very least you normally get a slight boost from replacing a done-for manager. We can't be in such a unique position that it's impossible for us to bring in a short-term replacement if this is necessary.
But - yet again - this is very hypothetical. The reality of the situation may be that Woody has never actually given up on LVG in the way I'm implying here - and LVG may never have lost the players to the extent I'm implying either.
One other thing to consider as well is the club seem very image conscious over the "we aren't a sacking club" guff, so the idea of sacking LvG, appointing an interim manger and then getting someone else in, in the summer may not have appealed to the protectors of the image.
Whatever the case is, as a 30 year fan I find it hard to feel that the calls being made are done so with the club's best interests at the forefront, personal agendas and pride, along with certain silly image ideals seem to be being made top priority.
Mourinho turned down a massive contract termination payoff from Abramovich when he was sacked. Rumor had it that he did it because taking it would've prevented him from working for another team during this season. Mourinho himself was quoted saying that he doesn't want breaks and wants to start working again right away.
It makes more sense than Jose turning down a big money out of goodwill for Chelsea.
Indeed. Let's see what happens - and who we appoint at the end of the day, if we appoint anyone...and then I suspect we can rightly question whether football concerns were truly at the heart of it.
Protecting an image (for profit - not on principle) is fair enough as long as it's done on top of the football concerns. If it's done before any football concerns are considered, however...well, there it is. United in a nutshell according to the more pessimistic among us.
Especially considering Abramovic's riches. Paying him off was hardly going to be a massive dent in the club's finances. Just a bit of an annoyance.
I can only see him being sacked when top 4 is a mathematical impossibility.
Which is 4 months too late.
Which is 4 months too late.
Can't wait for the post match press conference when Van Gaal is asked about reports that Mourinho has signed a pre-contract. You know it's inevitable and you know he's going to lose his shit. If it comes in the wake of a defeat, oh my days....
I still remember saying it in January that keeping him meant we were basically giving up on the season. A lot of his supporters disagreed then.
For me, none of what is happening now is suprising. Its a slow walk to mediocrity.
Still on course for a record breaking season.....all the wrong ones.
For me, none of what is happening now is suprising. Its a slow walk to mediocrity.
Still on course for a record breaking season.....all the wrong ones.
Just seen a stat on Sky that Leicester are 18th in terms of possesion in the league.
Van Gaal's possesion football was unlikely to work in this league, especially as his version has been so poorly implemeted too.
At the time Van Gaal was seemingly the only option when we were hiring. Sadly, it looks like he was the wrong option. What a waste of 2 seasons.
Van Gaal's possesion football was unlikely to work in this league, especially as his version has been so poorly implemeted too.
At the time Van Gaal was seemingly the only option when we were hiring. Sadly, it looks like he was the wrong option. What a waste of 2 seasons.
Will probably chuck the wife and kids and family card.
Apathy reaching new levels now, around Xmas is was raging about the situation and wanting a change but now have realised that the club have clearly decided to write the whole season off. Its so odd the way we have been with LVG, OK we don't want to sack the manager but he's been utterly shite and will retire next season. If he was a young promising manager who'd had a tough year but shown glimpses of having a gameplan I'd have no issue getting behind him for a 3rd season but he's on the verge of retirement and is slowly dragging us into a downward spiral.
If we don't bin him at the end of the season I think outward shows of fan unhappiness will begin to happen in plain sight. At the moment it's people talking about it and expressing views but there have been no boos no banners or anything like that. If he's still here next year things will get even worse due to him having the whole summer to waste and then proceed to feck up during the season, maybe he'd get sacked into the season but by then it'd be another wasted year.
If we don't bin him at the end of the season I think outward shows of fan unhappiness will begin to happen in plain sight. At the moment it's people talking about it and expressing views but there have been no boos no banners or anything like that. If he's still here next year things will get even worse due to him having the whole summer to waste and then proceed to feck up during the season, maybe he'd get sacked into the season but by then it'd be another wasted year.
The papers today are saying that LVG is asking for help in the form of a DoF.
Why are they constantly reaffirming that he's staying? Can't we have more LVG out stories?
Why are they constantly reaffirming that he's staying? Can't we have more LVG out stories?
If it helps, there are rumours flying around that Mou has agreed a pre-contract with United. He will be paid 5 million if the club don't confirm his appointment by the end of may. There there, feel better?The papers today are saying that LVG is asking for help in the form of a DoF.
Why are they constantly reaffirming that he's staying? Can't we have more LVG out stories?
Some bloated journo with cracked lips* going in hard on Van Gaal on Sunday Supplement on Sky. Says he has let down Ed Woodward and has already "van Gaaled" Rashford.
*They should not broadcast these gargoyles in HD.
*They should not broadcast these gargoyles in HD.
It would, but even that leaves room for sticking with LVG after everything if he gets top 4. All this does is make me feel weird about cheering for us in the derby....
He's right though. LvG has let down the fans, Woodward, the owners and the whole damn club.
He's been a major disappointment.
You can't just bend the argument to suit what you say. For what it's worth a disagree about Benteke and Berahino.
You're either underrating Saha or simply didn't see much of him.
Saw as much of him as any Utd fan did given his injury record. Didn't and don't rate him.
He has had everything given to him, nobody saying boo to him. His response is we are living in the past, and expectations are too high
Well he was very good when fit.point is..he was hardly ever fit.
Bending the argument? I'm just saying one player is better than another. Since when do we take into account the present form and injury status when doing said comparison.
Presumably you would prefer Danny Rose over Shaw then given the latter's injury status?
What are you talking about with Danny Rose?
You're saying Benteke and Berahino are better players than Rooney right and have more to offer?
It's easy to say they should be giving 100% but it's not human nature. If they believe he's soon to be gone and don't believe in the man how are they supposed to follow his instructions with maximum effort and enthusiasm?
We all know a teams mentality has a huge effect on performances. It's worse than a player being low on confidence because now they apportion blame externally.
In before the swing vote brigade changes their votes from 'sack' to 'evaluate' for the 50th fecking time.
What a cockroach 
Evaluate.
He must have paid off Aguero....
Swing voters get voting... Again!
we just won. van Gaal will now tinker with the side next match.
changed my vote
feck off!
feck off!
That performance doesnt fill me with an confidence. Were not a relegation threatened team. I want him gone more after that match.
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