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I find the booing a bit futile. It's not like suddenly the board will change their mind after some fans unrest. It's pretty clear that results are less important for them than financial figures. I guess they are waiting for us to go out of all possible tournaments and out of top 4 mathematically to sack LvG and put Giggs in charge as interim again. Then in the Summer look for new manager(provided that move hasn't been made yet, which I doubt).
 
Dobbs said:
Well first of all I said assuming Martial is left wing, which he is most of the time. Obviously I'm not claiming these are better than Martial.

You'd have Sturridge from Liverpool along with Benteke. I'd have Pelle, Berahino, King from the club's you mentioned. I even think the the West Ham strikers would give us more this season.

I'm not taking into account injuries etc but talking in the general sense of options and quality up front.
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As said i'd go Ighalo.

I also think that Berahinio is a better 10 than 9.

AS for Sturridge and Pelle always injured. King(IMHO) isn't good enough. If we are not taking into account injuries an inform Rooney is better than all of them but is not good at the start of a season or coming back from injury.

I would look at putting Martial front and centre and then I might have wingers from a few of the clubs you mentioned. Mane Or Marhez for example.
 
Fully Fledged said:
As said i'd go Ighalo.

I also think that Berahinio is a better 10 than 9.

AS for Sturridge and Pelle always injured. King(IMHO) isn't good enough. If we are not taking into account injuries an inform Rooney is better than all of them but is not good at the start of a season or coming back from injury.

I would look at putting Martial front and centre and then I might have wingers from a few of the clubs you mentioned. Mane Or Marhez for example.
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I'm not saying these strikers are good enough just that they're better than our option (Rooney).

This is what I mean though really, you still think Rooney is better than Sturridge, Benteke, Berahino etc. We overrate players just because they're at United.
 
If LVG or Moyes were accomplishing what the likes of Ancelloti or even Wenger did, where the style was good and/or we were reaching certain thresholds we would certainly be wrong to get rid. But we essentially had none of that bar LVG sneaking 4th last year. Besides that, we've played like shit and been bounced out far too early from every cup. Tolerating that doesn't make us better, it just lowers the bar for what we consider success. The likes of City and especially Chelsea spend far more than we have in the transfer market and their owners have a lower tolerance for failure. Our #1 measure for failure post-Fergie is financial so that's where we've set the cutoff for managers. LVG at this point is a company man and happy for it. It's the same that's happened at Arsenal and Liverpool. The only thing that could change that are new owners or getting a one-of-a-kind manager like Fergie again.
 
Dobbs said:
I'm not saying these strikers are good enough just that they're better than our option (Rooney).

This is what I mean though really, you still think Rooney is better than Sturridge, Benteke, Berahino etc. We overrate players just because they're at United.
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Sturridge is hardly ever fit he plays about 10 games a season average. Yes he's a good player but always injured. Benteke has proven that he he is not up to playing for a top team. and as I said Berahino is a No 10 rather than a No 9. However bad Rooney/United have been this season he has out scored all of them.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Sturridge is hardly ever fit he plays about 10 games a season average. Yes he's a good player but always injured. Benteke has proven that he he is not up to playing for a top team. and as I said Berahino is a No 10 rather than a No 9. However bad Rooney/United have been this season he has out scored all of them.
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Well we'll have to differ but from my point of view this demonstrates my point about United players being overrated.

Blind is very versatile but as a midfielder is he better than Mark Noble? Is Lingard better than Richie at Bournemouth? We've had Fellaini and Carrick in midfield plenty this season. Where do I start on midfielders who are better.
 
Van gaal's lack of awareness is just astounding, to think the fans were applauding means they're happy is idiotic.

Reminds me of the time he thought the fans wanting more direct football meant we wanted more long balls into the box.
 
I honestly believe that we would be doing better this season had we stuck with Moyes this whole time and allowed him to spend and build a team. Pretty much sums up my opinion of LVG.
 
I wonder what Stuivenberg say to LVG during their meetings because he is the only one who shows emotions and he isn't proud or happy about the team performances.
 
Dobbs said:
Well we'll have to differ but from my point of view this demonstrates my point about United players being overrated.

Blind is very versatile but as a midfielder is he better than Mark Noble? Is Lingard better than Richie at Bournemouth? We've had Fellaini and Carrick in midfield plenty this season. Where do I start on midfielders who are better.
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That's a completely different story. Noble is far more talented than Fellaini and has more going for him in the long term than Carrick who is at the end of a great career. I also could come up with plenty of player who are better than our midfield this year, not to mention our defense. Where we differ is that I don't think that the average BPL team has great strikers. They have good players(better than ours) in other positions but not at the tip of their teams. there are very few strikers great at the moment outside the top teams, at least in England.
 
Fully Fledged said:
That's a completely different story. Noble is far more talented than Fellaini and has more going for him in the long term than Carrick who is at the end of a great career. I also could come up with plenty of player who are better than our midfield this year, not to mention our defense. Where we differ is that I don't think that the average BPL team has great strikers. They have good players(better than ours) in other positions but not at the tip of their teams. there are very few strikers great at the moment outside the top teams, at least in England.
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Mate where have I said the other Premiership teams have "great" strikers? I just said plenty have a better striker than today's Rooney.
 
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Van gaal's lack of awareness is just astounding, to think the fans were applauding means they're happy is idiotic.

Reminds me of the time he thought the fans wanting more direct football meant we wanted more long balls into the box.
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one of my recent favourites was "I'm not sure why the fans are complaining. We are always the attacking team"
 
Dobbs said:
Mate where have I said the other Premiership teams have "great" strikers? I just said plenty have a better striker than today's Rooney.
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Well as I pretty much implied earlier Rooney is slow starting the season finally comes good then gets injured and can never regain form from said injury. He has been a great player for us but like Carrick is in his twilight years. He is still better than your average BPL striker when on form he is hardly ever on form though.
If you had just said that Rooney was past it I would have agreed with you. I just don't think the average BPL team have got decent strikers either. I'm not over hyping our players I just don't think the opposition is that hot up front either.
 
shabadu84 said:
If LVG or Moyes were accomplishing what the likes of Ancelloti or even Wenger did, where the style was good and/or we were reaching certain thresholds we would certainly be wrong to get rid. But we essentially had none of that bar LVG sneaking 4th last year. Besides that, we've played like shit and been bounced out far too early from every cup. Tolerating that doesn't make us better, it just lowers the bar for what we consider success.
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Exactly. Last season we played well for about month and crept over the line in fourth place without the distraction of European football, whilst Liverpool fortunately collapsed without Suarez. We've been poor in basically every cup competition since van Gaal arrived - even Moyes in his season got to the semis of the League Cup and we took a respectable loss to Bayern in the Champions League quarter final. Not only have we not progressed this season, we've not even stagnated by retaining Champions League (assuming we don't pull of a miracle in the league) and that's after van Gaal has spent £250M and got rid of around 20 players. There can be absolutely no excuses, but (just as they did with Moyes) it appears as though the board won't get rid of him until it's too late, which means we're looking at having 2/3 seasons not in the premier European competition. Abysmal stuff all round.
 
WyoManU said:
I honestly believe that we would be doing better this season had we stuck with Moyes this whole time and allowed him to spend and build a team. Pretty much sums up my opinion of LVG.
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Moyes lost the plot. It wasn't just his on field results that went against him, he started losing his marbles. The pressure was just too much for him, he would have topped himself if he would have stayed on.
 
WyoManU said:
I honestly believe that we would be doing better this season had we stuck with Moyes this whole time and allowed him to spend and build a team. Pretty much sums up my opinion of LVG.
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I would not go that far, under Moyes we were has big of a joke has now so its about the same.
 
Moyes would have taken us down a similar route. Just his own personal 'wee Jimmy' route.

Both were bad choices (LVG more so in hindsight really). LVG doesn't justify the clown that Moyes was.

When Ferguson retired, the choice was Mourinho/Pep/Klopp and we didn't get any of those. That's the level we needed.

Now we're stuck wondering if we've bothered to learn our lesson as await to hear if Mourinho will finally get the job.
 
clarkydaz said:
thing is while he is clearly an inferior manager, he would have bought a better equipped team with what louis has spent
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That is pretty doubtful, inept tactically, coaching just has bad and we would have ended up with more average players. Reality is between them both, they both are shit at the job. Moyes failed to challenge on trophy haul, could not get CL football, they both done just has badly. Its like arguing about about who was less evil, Hitler? or Saddam? does it matter? not really, when both were monsters
 
Looking at the Marseille fans tonight, LVG is the luckiest man on the planet
 
Someone said:
Van gaal's lack of awareness is just astounding, to think the fans were applauding means they're happy is idiotic.

Reminds me of the time he thought the fans wanting more direct football meant we wanted more long balls into the box.
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Despite his (understandable) language difficulties, I now believe he knows exactly what he's saying; and what he's saying is...spin.
 
Quotes from LVG about this season, his future, this sunday's El Declineo etc:

“We are now four points behind [fourth place] so you have to win otherwise the gap is bigger and bigger and the matches that you have to play are not so big,” said Van Gaal.

“Then it is seven points and we have to play eight matches – then it’s very sharp to recover from that gap. But it is still possible but I think its difficult then because West Ham are also in front so it is not only City but West Ham.”

“Our purpose was to reach in the top three because we want to do better than last year,” he said. “Yes, we are below expectations but then you have to analyse the circumstances. You are repeating by always putting me the same question when I am losing or I’m out of the Europa League. Then I get these questions. I’m never feeling under pressure. I do what I have to do. Expectations can be too high.”

Van Gaal would not comment on whether he would expect to continue if United were not in the Champions League “Why do I have to discuss that with you? I have a three-year contract and the process is three years,” he said.

(Telegraph)
 
SteveJ said:
Quotes from LVG about this season, his future, this sunday's El Declineo etc:

“We are now four points behind [fourth place] so you have to win otherwise the gap is bigger and bigger and the matches that you have to play are not so big,” said Van Gaal.

“Then it is seven points and we have to play eight matches – then it’s very sharp to recover from that gap. But it is still possible but I think its difficult then because West Ham are also in front so it is not only City but West Ham.”

“Our purpose was to reach in the top three because we want to do better than last year,” he said. “Yes, we are below expectations but then you have to analyse the circumstances. You are repeating by always putting me the same question when I am losing or I’m out of the Europa League. Then I get these questions. I’m never feeling under pressure. I do what I have to do. Expectations can be too high.”

Van Gaal would not comment on whether he would expect to continue if United were not in the Champions League “Why do I have to discuss that with you? I have a three-year contract and the process is three years,” he said.

(Telegraph)
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Starting to look like the 'Louis Van Gaal passing on to Giggs' is set in stone as far as the Old Trafford hierarchy are concerned.
 
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Maybe I should introduce my boss to Woodward. Then i could just slack off at work and just tell my boss he's expecting too much of me. If he loses the next two games and isn't fired... Let's just say it will be sad to see us become a bigger joke than we already are.
 
Amethyst said:
Exactly. Last season we played well for about month and crept over the line in fourth place without the distraction of European football, whilst Liverpool fortunately collapsed without Suarez. We've been poor in basically every cup competition since van Gaal arrived - even Moyes in his season got to the semis of the League Cup and we took a respectable loss to Bayern in the Champions League quarter final. Not only have we not progressed this season, we've not even stagnated by retaining Champions League (assuming we don't pull of a miracle in the league) and that's after van Gaal has spent £250M and got rid of around 20 players. There can be absolutely no excuses, but (just as they did with Moyes) it appears as though the board won't get rid of him until it's too late, which means we're looking at having 2/3 seasons not in the premier European competition. Abysmal stuff all round.
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If we'd seen that style since I would have been happy to give him some more time. Even if it was only once in a while. But it's completely disappeared, hasn't it? We've played OK at times but certainly nothing like that run, which all of us hoped was "it" - the true philosophy in action. So since it hasn't reappeared, even against the worst competition in the easiest circumstances, what can you really say about his time here? Not much for results. A top 4 finish, some wins vs Liverpool, and a good month in 2 years. Hooray.
 
I'm sure now it will be Louis out and in Jose in this summer, hopefully no later than the day after the season ends. The inevitable was written on the players' faces back in December, when at least to me they looked like they had given up on him. Rightly so.
 
I'm starting to believe the process is to turn us into a mid-table team based on our performances and results.
 
Unfortunately Louis doesn't understand the fans aren't happy. He obviously feels luck with injuries and certain matches has gone against him, but the fact the fans rarely boo, curse his name or act angrily towards him confuses him.

Obviously at other clubs he has had that show of anger, maybe we are just too kind and patient. It's the comments though saying "we have to lower our expectations". NO WE DO NOT. You can't start off with a target and then bring it closer to your sitation as it suits you. With Chelsea's fall we should have been a shoe in for the top 4 this season. Yes West Ham and Tottenham have both improved this year, but so should we have. Instead we've gone backwards and nobody is to blame but yourself. You left the squad too short of players and overworked them until they broke. Tactically you've failed during games and picked the wrong teams.

IF he remains this summer I will have serious questions to ask. Moyes showed in 6 months he was not up to the job, LVG has proved it slowly in 2 years he's not going to take us forward.

With a manager like Mourinho available it would be a sacrilege to pass him up, whether a few board members like him or not. Sure he has made mistakes, but I don't think he would have the same attitude at our club than Chelsea's. It's a poison chalice over there.
 
'Expectations can be too high'

This fool has no clue what Man Utd are about, he's an arrogant, delusional, power-drunk embarrassment.

The fact that he repeatedly peddles this negative tripe in public is paramount to the money-hungry, commercial board waving a white flag and grabbing their ankles for any and every team to have a go at us, safe in the knowledge the Glazers will be happy thanks to Indonesian Juice drinks and Japanese tractors.

Something has to give, its time to take banners to OT and make this absolute clown realise that the "fans applauding' he lifts his fat head to look at while walking off the pitch at the tunnel are in the "friends and family" section of his over-paid players. Hardly going to see any of them booing the manager of their cash cows.

He's a disgrace. A horrible, defiant, arrogant disgrace.
 
I think LvG, the board, and the Glazers are all living in a groupthink bubble, where their three year strategy is currently playing out irrespective of results. Hopefully the Glazers will reassess things after we finish 7th this year.
 
Dobbs said:
I'm not saying these strikers are good enough just that they're better than our option (Rooney).

This is what I mean though really, you still think Rooney is better than Sturridge, Benteke, Berahino etc. We overrate players just because they're at United.
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Benteke has been woefully bad this season and Berahino only just picked up of late. Sturridge is like Saha. Great player too many injuries.

You're using some really poor comparisons.
 
SteveJ said:
Quotes from LVG about this season, his future, this sunday's El Declineo etc:

“We are now four points behind [fourth place] so you have to win otherwise the gap is bigger and bigger and the matches that you have to play are not so big,” said Van Gaal.

“Then it is seven points and we have to play eight matches – then it’s very sharp to recover from that gap. But it is still possible but I think its difficult then because West Ham are also in front so it is not only City but West Ham.”

“Our purpose was to reach in the top three because we want to do better than last year,” he said. “Yes, we are below expectations but then you have to analyse the circumstances. You are repeating by always putting me the same question when I am losing or I’m out of the Europa League. Then I get these questions. I’m never feeling under pressure. I do what I have to do. Expectations can be too high.”

Van Gaal would not comment on whether he would expect to continue if United were not in the Champions League “Why do I have to discuss that with you? I have a three-year contract and the process is three years,” he said.

(Telegraph)
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