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Can the presser for rest of the matches be cancelled. Anyways he is not interested in talking to press.
I cant stand his "This is football. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose" talk whenever we lose.

Next he will be saying, this is life. Some days it is sunny, some days it is gloomy.
 
It took a long time for me to admit but his tenure has been an absolute catastrophe and for me it's sailed past the 'Worse than Moyes' mark.

He has invested heavily in our squad, players are coming back from injury but when you look at the line ups we're putting out, there is serious lack of quality. When I saw the lineup, at home against an average Liverpool side I just knew a two goal win was never gonna happen.
The defense has also been letting in a high number of good chances, but has been saved by United having the best shot stopper in the world. It's a sad and twisted realization to think that if de Gea had gone, van Gaal would probably been gone now.

He has thrown his philosophy out the window, when LvG Fellaini would probably have left on loan if it weren't for injury. He didn't fit the philosophy and rightly so. Pressing, movement, tactical discipline and crisp passing was what he was implementing. This has been abandoned, you can see that we're just trying to cope with each passing game rather than implementing a plan. There aren't any foundations being laid anymore, they've been abandoned.

It is basic psychology, if you make a mistake you can see your boss sitting there with no emotion making a note of it, you become scared of taking any risk.

He has been credited and rightly so by giving the youth a chance, but those who I'd call potential future high class players are the ones that can't catch a break. Pereira came on for Lingard for 2 minutes some time ago, he beat a man and had a shot. Both not a feature of safe Lingard's game. Pereira hasn't been seen since. Januzaj also seems to have no future under van Gaal.

There aren't many managers who commentate as often as van Gaal on the match going fans. If the cheer and clap he will always interpret that as to him doing a good job, surely you see that the ball is in the hands of our match going fans. He has to be let known without question that he's doing a bad job.
 
It took a long time for me to admit but his tenure has been an absolute catastrophe and for me it's sailed past the 'Worse than Moyes' mark.

He has invested heavily in our squad, players are coming back from injury but when you look at the line ups we're putting out, there is serious lack of quality. When I saw the lineup, at home against an average Liverpool side I just knew a two goal win was never gonna happen.
The defense has also been letting in a high number of good chances, but has been saved by United having the best shot stopper in the world. It's a sad and twisted realization to think that if de Gea had gone, van Gaal would probably been gone now.

He has thrown his philosophy out the window, when LvG Fellaini would probably have left on loan if it weren't for injury. He didn't fit the philosophy and rightly so. Pressing, movement, tactical discipline and crisp passing was what he was implementing. This has been abandoned, you can see that we're just trying to cope with each passing game rather than implementing a plan. There aren't any foundations being laid anymore, they've been abandoned.

It is basic psychology, if you make a mistake you can see your boss sitting there with no emotion making a note of it, you become scared of taking any risk.

He has been credited and rightly so by giving the youth a chance, but those who I'd call potential future high class players are the ones that can't catch a break. Pereira came on for Lingard for 2 minutes some time ago, he beat a man and had a shot. Both not a feature of safe Lingard's game. Pereira hasn't been seen since. Januzaj also seems to have no future under van Gaal.

There aren't many managers who commentate as often as van Gaal on the match going fans. If the cheer and clap he will always interpret that as to him doing a good job, surely you see that the ball is in the hands of our match going fans. He has to be let known without question that he's doing a bad job.

This certainly seems to be the case.
 
There is no philosophy.. Everyone including the players seem to be looking forward for the season to end
 
Now reading he says the derby can be a catalyst for us. Oh feck off will you, sick of all this "now we must respond" bullshit. Smalling's turn this time with the usual "we have to dust ourselves down and bounce back". Bounce back? That suggests a loss is falling from the height of a win, our bouncy ball has been rolling along the floor for months Chris..
 
Sacking him now isnt going to do anything to actually save our season at this stage but it has to be worth it just to let fans know the board understands recent performance hasnt been acceptable and to assure them something is going to be done about it. At this stage an announcement that Mourinho is coming in the summer would give fans a bit of a lift, I think. If it has already been agreed and they are just waiting till the end of the season to announce it they should bring the announcement forward.
 
Reminds me of last season and the Moyes season where every player was saying "Now watch us go" after every small win, but the team went nowhere.
 
Reminds me of last season and the Moyes season where every player was saying "Now watch us go" after every small win, but the team went nowhere.
We must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards mediocrity.
 
I'm just worried we've already gone past the benchmarks in which we saw Moyes sacked. For example, Moyes got us through the group stage and we very nearly went past Bayern - by very nearly I mean with a lot more luck but still we were in the latter stages of the competition. Granted he was out of the F.A cup but when we got beat by Everton, he was done.

In comparison LVG had us out of the CL by christmas, lost to some of the worst teams in the league in that period - including not beating a dire Chelsea at Old Trafford who had a new manager. Now we just got done over by fecking Liverpool in Europe-lite. This is worse than Moyes. Yet there is no hint of him being sacked.

The board are inconsistent idiots.
 
Reminds me of last season and the Moyes season where every player was saying "Now watch us go" after every small win, but the team went nowhere.

It's quite stunning. For three years now we seem to have these small patches where the team looks like it's on the right way out of the drought just to fall back into depression a few games later. I can't even count the number of false dawns we had since SAF is gone.
 
Sacking him now isnt going to do anything to actually save our season at this stage but it has to be worth it just to let fans know the board understands recent performance hasnt been acceptable and to assure them something is going to be done about it. At this stage an announcement that Mourinho is coming in the summer would give fans a bit of a lift, I think. If it has already been agreed and they are just waiting till the end of the season to announce it they should bring the announcement forward.

Exactly. It will also lift the weight of the player's shoulders of having to perform under this fecking idiot's misguidance.

I know we are still in the FA cup and 4th place is mathematically possible, but seeing how the season has panned out and our record over the last 30 games, is there any reason to believe that we can achieve either of those things under this fraud?

Getting a new manager might give us the new hiree bounce that you usually get. Plus, it'll give us a chance to field more youngsters and players that we still think have a future rather than bumbling across with Fellaini and a fat German. It'll lift pressure of everyone and we can start building towards next season from the next game.

I also do not for a moment believe these stories about Giggs not wanting to be an interim manager. Being an assistant, that is literally part of his job requirement to be able to take charge when something goes wrong with the manager. If there is some truth in it and he only wants the permanent job, then he needs to be shown the door before Van Gaal.

Just fire this cnut. Keeping him makes absolutely no fecking sense.
 
I'm just worried we've already gone past the benchmarks in which we saw Moyes sacked. For example, Moyes got us through the group stage and we very nearly went past Bayern - by very nearly I mean with a lot more luck but still we were in the latter stages of the competition. Granted he was out of the F.A cup but when we got beat by Everton, he was done.

In comparison LVG had us out of the CL by christmas, lost to some of the worst teams in the league in that period - including not beating a dire Chelsea at Old Trafford who had a new manager. Now we just got done over by fecking Liverpool in Europe-lite. This is worse than Moyes. Yet there is no hint of him being sacked.

The board are inconsistent idiots.

Yeah, it's ludicrous. He has continually dumped us out of every cup competition at the earliest convenience. Basically any time we come up against a remotely tricky opponent (or sometimes even not-so tricky opponents), we wave goodbye.

14-15

League Cup - Out to MK Don (League 1) straight away
FA Cup - We beat Yeovil (League 1), Cambridge (League 2 - need a reply mind, ha!) and Preston (League 1), out to Arsenal (at home)

15-16

European Cup - Beat minnows Brugge... out in arguably the easiest CL group.
Europa League - Beat Midgitland (made sure we lost a game to them though of course), Out to Liverpool
League Cup - Beat Ipswich Town (Championship), Out to Middlesbrough (A decent Championship side)
FA Cup - Beat Sheff United (L1), Derby (Championship - arguably the toughest cup opponent we've actually advanced over, behind Moscow) , Shrewsbury (L1), West Ham (judging by the above, we'll be losing this one)

It's a feckin' joke.
 
Yeah, it's ludicrous. He has continually dumped us out of every cup competition at the earliest convenience. Basically any time we come up against a remotely tricky opponent (or sometimes even not-so tricky opponents), we wave goodbye.

14-15

League Cup - Out to MK Don (League 1) straight away
FA Cup - We beat Yeovil (League 1), Cambridge (League 2 - need a reply mind, ha!) and Preston (League 1), out to Arsenal (at home)

15-16

European Cup - Beat minnows Brugge... out in arguably the easiest CL group.
Europa League - Beat Midgitland (made sure we lost a game to them though of course), Out to Liverpool
League Cup - Beat Ipswich Town (Championship), Out to Middlesbrough (A decent Championship side)
FA Cup - Beat Sheff United (L1), Derby (Championship - arguably the toughest cup opponent we've actually advanced over, behind Moscow) , Shrewsbury (L1), West Ham (judging by the above, we'll be losing this one)

It's a feckin' joke.

Spot on and this is what I mean in saying we're already severely past the benchmark that saw Moyes sacked. The only way we'll salvage this season and win at West Ham is with new manager bounce and a change in confidence for the players. Other than that, seasons done and yet here LVG is still talking shit after each game.
 
Now reading he says the derby can be a catalyst for us. Oh feck off will you, sick of all this "now we must respond" bullshit. Smalling's turn this time with the usual "we have to dust ourselves down and bounce back". Bounce back? That suggests a loss is falling from the height of a win, our bouncy ball has been rolling along the floor for months Chris..

I feel bad for the players because they have no idea what is going on. They don't really have an option but to spout to usual shit about 'staying together' and 'bouncing back' because, as ludicrous as it seems, VG might be here next season! Just writing that seems daft.

Get him out - Giggs caretaker till end of season. Assess options. Mourinho in.
 
Yeah, it's ludicrous. He has continually dumped us out of every cup competition at the earliest convenience. Basically any time we come up against a remotely tricky opponent (or sometimes even not-so tricky opponents), we wave goodbye.

14-15

League Cup - Out to MK Don (League 1) straight away
FA Cup - We beat Yeovil (League 1), Cambridge (League 2 - need a reply mind, ha!) and Preston (League 1), out to Arsenal (at home)

15-16

European Cup - Beat minnows Brugge... out in arguably the easiest CL group.
Europa League - Beat Midgitland (made sure we lost a game to them though of course), Out to Liverpool
League Cup - Beat Ipswich Town (Championship), Out to Middlesbrough (A decent Championship side)
FA Cup - Beat Sheff United (L1), Derby (Championship - arguably the toughest cup opponent we've actually advanced over, behind Moscow) , Shrewsbury (L1), West Ham (judging by the above, we'll be losing this one)

It's a feckin' joke.


and members on here would post shit like - well fergie lost to....... or fergie got KO'd from........ fergie played the youth.......

never in the rapid succession the LVG did. and righting the ship was winning the league never finishing 4th while spending and turning the team over and he did play the youth but not in KO games in CL when all the money was on the table. LVG should have went in November when again members here praised the draws we suffered through , that quickly turned to losses. Worst manager in our history when you look at the damage done. FFS 250m and united need a rebuild , it screams failure.
 
I honestly cannot believe how lvg has been given so much time by the board . Everything about his body language suggests he knows he's a dead man walking . He is getting dogs abuse from the press and ex players alike . Fans have turned on him ages ago and still the board do nothing . That , for me is the most damning thing , it would suggest that the board have no idea of the best way forward . Every day that passes i see the 'brand' being damaged. Jose mourinho must wonder what the hell is going on . Honestly i don't think he will be offered the job .

If that is the case what are the other options out there. If LVG is sacked now , is Giggs the best man for the job do you think ? Or do you think that he could be damaged by trying to manage this team through the rest of the season ? In some ways Giggs position is similar to that of shearer at newcastle , both love their clubs but may decide not to manage them even if offered , until off the field problems are resolved.

For what its worth i don't think that the problems at the club end with LVG , i think they run far deeper and until they are dealt with , the problems will get worse until they are dealt with . i think despite best efforts United are part way through a transitional period now that could take years to come out of. Of course other clubs are there as warnings of how things can go into decline if managed badly, and i would use Villa , Newcastle , Liverpool ,Leeds as examples .

For me i think the board have to act quickly to prevent things getting worse and steady the ship
 
Van Gaal will of course interpret that in his favour. The match going fans really need to send out a message.

he was getting a message.. the wrong message. The usual fans beside the dugout were leaning over to shake his hand. why? don't they have a pair of eyes? whats wrong with those people?
 
I'm not even hopeful he's getting sacked any more. No matter what happens, no matter how awful we are I don't expect him to go now. The cnut has taken even that hope away from me.
 
I heard fans were clapping as he left the pitch. I all for class and respect but there's a time and place for that.
Totally agree. This really winds me up when I go to OT these days tbh.

Over the past few years United fans seem to have gained the impression we are better than other clubs, both on the pitch and in the stands. We tell ourselves that we always give managers time. We promote youth. We live by attacking football. We always back the manager. It's the sort of self-mythologising we mock Liverpool fans for.

No-one wants United fans to sink to the levels of Newcastle and Sunderland supporters and boo at the first sign of trouble, and the OT atmosphere has been brilliant this season, but there has to be a limit to the support we offer the manager. It's perfectly possible to walk away quietly after the game rather than actively applauding the tripe you've just seen on the pitch. If you went into a restaurant and received a horrendous meal, you wouldn't go up and thank the manager at the end, would you? Especially not if it happened repeatedly.

Fans who applaud LVG seem determined to prove what great supporters, and people, they are rather than recognising reality. I'm not sure what the exact stat is but we've failed to win something like 22 of the past 35 games under LVG. We're on course to miss out on the CL for the second time in three years, and even upper-mid-table clubs like West Ham and Liverpool are beginning to go past us. That is a terrible state of affairs and should be recognised as such.

If people think they're doing something good by applauding our Dutch charlatan every week, they're mistaken IMO.
 
Were they definitely clapping Van Gaal and not the players?

I would be glad the fans applauded the players because I thought they gave their all last night and to be honest when you looked at the players on the pitch it was impossible to ignore the lack of quality and experience out there. I thought they did OK. I mean, we needed 3 goals at the start of the game and we lined up with Martial, Rashford and Lingard in attacking positions. Its hardly their fault they came up short.

Im glad the fans didnt boo the manager, applauding him probably sends out the wrong signal but like I said its hard to separate the manager and the players - clap one and be silent for the other - it is hard to make that distinction clear.

I am sure Woodward is well aware of how fans feel about the current state of affairs so I am sure the clapping at the end of the game will not contribute to him staying any longer than he would otherwise have done.
 
Totally agree. This really winds me up when I go to OT these days tbh.

Over the past few years United fans seem to have gained the impression we are better than other clubs, both on the pitch and in the stands. We tell ourselves that we always give managers time. We promote youth. We live by attacking football. We always back the manager. It's the sort of self-mythologising we mock Liverpool fans for.

No-one wants United fans to sink to the levels of Newcastle and Sunderland supporters and boo at the first sign of trouble, and the OT atmosphere has been brilliant this season, but there has to be a limit to the support we offer the manager. It's perfectly possible to walk away quietly after the game rather than actively applauding the tripe you've just seen on the pitch. If you went into a restaurant and received a horrendous meal, you wouldn't go up and thank the manager at the end, would you? Especially not if it happened repeatedly.

Fans who applaud LVG seem determined to prove what great supporters, and people, they are rather than recognising reality. I'm not sure what the exact stat is but we've failed to win something like 22 of the past 35 games under LVG. We're on course to miss out on the CL for the second time in three years, and even upper-mid-table clubs like West Ham and Liverpool are beginning to go past us. That is a terrible state of affairs and should be recognised as such.

If people think they're doing something good by applauding our Dutch charlatan every week, they're mistaken IMO.
Well said. It's like some are keen to prove what great supporters they are.
 
For those knocking match going fans who applauded LvG last night - what do you do when you got to OT? Do you actually go to OT? If you want match going fans to boo him off the pitch then get your ass to OT and stop moaning about it on an Internet forum that will have ZERO relevance to the outcome of our manager situation.
I want him gone as much as the next fan, but I don't boo him or the players. I was at the West Ham game and there was very little, if any booing from the crowd.
Don't knock people who make the effort to go watch this shit.
 
We weren't great but we weren't bad in the first half. We missed two changed from a few yards out. If those went in then it may have been different. We lose the tie because in the first leg, we were a disgrace.
 
Sacking him now isnt going to do anything to actually save our season at this stage but it has to be worth it just to let fans know the board understands recent performance hasnt been acceptable and to assure them something is going to be done about it. At this stage an announcement that Mourinho is coming in the summer would give fans a bit of a lift, I think. If it has already been agreed and they are just waiting till the end of the season to announce it they should bring the announcement forward.

Surely an announcement about the next manager will be made (fairly) soon, as season tickets will be due for renewal.
 
He's getting a really easy ride from the match going fans, a bit surprised with that. Last night was a disgrace, I can't remember the last time I saw a United team playing like that when we needed three goals and it all starts with our coward manager. Most of the players are not good enough, but Liverpool are hardly world class, and look what Klopp did with them. That's the most damming thing, Klopp had no pre-season, didn't spend over £200m and they're a better team than us at the moment.

Then Van Gaal has the cheek to say we played well and he's proud, what a clown. He has no respect for the fans and the club, only cares about himself and United is just another job for him. Wish whoever is keeping him in the job would feck off along with him, sick of it.
 
Where are the rumours/updates? Even from the most dubious sources, I don't care... I just want anything. I'll take the Daily Star's shittiest source to the power of 100, anything that shows there's some movement to get rid of LVG.

I would love nothing more than to see an imbeded tweet with a link to a story saying LVG is on his way out.
 
Where are the rumours/updates? Even from the most dubious sources, I don't care... I just want anything. I'll take the Daily Star's shittiest source to the power of 100, anything that shows there's some movement to get rid of LVG.

I would love nothing more than to see an imbeded tweet with a link to a story saying LVG is on his way out.

I think the media were briefed quite a while ago that he's not going anywhere soon. They barely even bother with the standard 'one/two/three matches to save his job' clickbait line anymore.
 
There were cnuts sitting around him shaking his hand after the final whistle :mad:

When he experiences this he thinks everything is ok and fans are happy
 
I'm just worried we've already gone past the benchmarks in which we saw Moyes sacked. For example, Moyes got us through the group stage and we very nearly went past Bayern - by very nearly I mean with a lot more luck but still we were in the latter stages of the competition. Granted he was out of the F.A cup but when we got beat by Everton, he was done.

In comparison LVG had us out of the CL by christmas, lost to some of the worst teams in the league in that period - including not beating a dire Chelsea at Old Trafford who had a new manager. Now we just got done over by fecking Liverpool in Europe-lite. This is worse than Moyes. Yet there is no hint of him being sacked.

The board are inconsistent idiots.

I'd argue that they appear to be consistent, by using the metric of top 4 contention. Everything else seems to be white noise around the sole objective of securing Champions League football.
 
For those knocking match going fans who applauded LvG last night - what do you do when you got to OT? Do you actually go to OT? If you want match going fans to boo him off the pitch then get your ass to OT and stop moaning about it on an Internet forum that will have ZERO relevance to the outcome of our manager situation.
I want him gone as much as the next fan, but I don't boo him or the players. I was at the West Ham game and there was very little, if any booing from the crowd.
Don't knock people who make the effort to go watch this shit.
Good post
 
No wonder the deluded idiot thinks the fans are with him.

his interview after the match honestly made me think he'd got a satisfied result. "the fans were happy, and i am happy with my players". what for? you're happy we had one shot on target in the 2nd half, a header from the oaf at that?

it honestly seemed to me like he wanted to hold a 1-1 result as if the single point (which doesn't even apply in this competition) was what he set out to achieve. it's mindblowing.
 
he was getting a message.. the wrong message. The usual fans beside the dugout were leaning over to shake his hand. why? don't they have a pair of eyes? whats wrong with those people?
More concerned with looking like they're above behaving like fans of "normal" clubs than having a successful football team.
 
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