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Adzzz said:
I'm just worried we've already gone past the benchmarks in which we saw Moyes sacked. For example, Moyes got us through the group stage and we very nearly went past Bayern - by very nearly I mean with a lot more luck but still we were in the latter stages of the competition. Granted he was out of the F.A cup but when we got beat by Everton, he was done.

In comparison LVG had us out of the CL by christmas, lost to some of the worst teams in the league in that period - including not beating a dire Chelsea at Old Trafford who had a new manager. Now we just got done over by fecking Liverpool in Europe-lite. This is worse than Moyes. Yet there is no hint of him being sacked.

The board are inconsistent idiots.
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Agreed

The league that year was also a lot tougher. City had about the same team, just two years younger, Liverpool had their strongest season in eons, Arsenal was heir usual and Chelsea had not imploded yet. This year however, Van seems to miss out on the bare minimum, and this is while Liverpool and Chelsea have been shite for a good part of the year. He also managed feck up the easiest CL group we could hope for, and bar a miracle against WH, will have no chance in any cups either

Some people say "we are not a sacking club", well what are we then? A club who accepts mediocrity? A club who has no ambition? The thing that really grinds my gears though is this:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/louis-van-gaal-tells-manchester-7521906

What the actual feck
 
“I’m not angry, I’m not frustrated. I was proud of my players, they gave everything. The fans also applauded.”
 
People thinking he'll be gone before the season is over aren't thinking logically.

No matter what happens, even we city do us by 5 and we go out to west ham, he will be here until the end.

Im hoping for a miricle of us getting top four somehow and then going out and getting a new manager.
 
Scorpy said:
I wish I could miss the remaining games as well, but I just know I'll watch no matter how pointless would it be.
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dwd said:
Forking out for the remaining games when we have nothing to play for and the players looking completely disinterested is going to be annoying to say the least.

Dreading Sunday. Definitely won't be renewing my ST if he is here next season, he's ruined my favourite thing in the world. I hate him more than Moyes.
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JB7 said:
Perfect summary.

I've gone from actually liking him and genuinely wanting him to be a success to just despising him and what he has turned us into.
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Guys do you not think this stuff is a touch dramatic?
 
Dobbs said:
Guys do you not think this stuff is a touch dramatic?
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Not in the slightest, especially when it's coming from season ticket holders. I mean if you think that's dramatic, you must be in a constant state of surprise when reading these threads
 
I honestly don't think the likes of Martin O'Neil or any other run of the mill manager would have done this badly if they had LVG's time here.

Thinking back to when everyone was saying Van Gaal would win us trophies, challenge for the title straight away etc...this just could not have gone any worse! It's actually laughable now how bad we are. I'm beyond that angry stage, I've accepted it.

We'd have genuinely been in a better position if Moyes was given these three years. I think it is 100% on lvg.
 
caisenma said:
Not in the slightest, especially when it's coming from season ticket holders. I mean if you think that's dramatic, you must be in a constant state of surprise when reading these threads
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I'm often surprised by how serious people take football. If though you think despise and hate are rational reactions to LvG then there you go.

I mean I want him to be moved on but it's not like he's purposely sabotaged the club. He's just been shit in the transfer market. Hardly a crime against humanity.
 
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The only way I could see LvG staying is by change of role, member of the board or simply someone who could oversee academy development and create reports on individual youth improvement to Mourinho who could use some info about most promising youngsters on the start of his job here... but that again would pose another set of different risks.
 
The worst thing about it all is that I genuinely feel we will give him another year and then transfer the job to Giggs. It's been the plan and if we stand by it we will have deserved everything that will be coming our way (and it won't be pretty).
 
Dobbs said:
I'm often surprised by how serious people take football. If though you think despise and hate are rational reactions to LvG then there you go.

I mean I want him to be moved on but it's not like he's purposely sabotaged the club. He's just been shit in the transfer market. Hardly a crime against humanity.
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No, he hasn't just been shit in the transfer market. He has a decent team here, his management has been dreadful. His transfers have actually not been that bad aside from not addressing glaring weaknesses of the side because he believed in his captain a bit too much.
 
Nothing will happen until the fans turn completely. This guy has luckily bought himself a lifeline at every failure. If yesterday we played against another club from the league and got eliminated the fans would be calling for his head but as it was Liverpool the fans for their pride want to show their support, the same thing will happen against man city, we'll get stuffed but the fans will keep showing their support as they want to be noisier than their noisy neighbours. This has been the trend the whole season and for this reason nothing will change. There no valid reason to sack him just yet. If the fans put their pride aside for a minute, looked at what's really been put out and ask for his head at every game because they can't see the club moving forward with him, he'd be gone by now. The fans need to voice their opinions regardless of opposition. Sack the cnut.
 
71.2% now... what's the highest this number has been?

... do we really have that many board members that post here from other clubs?
 
Sarni said:
No, he hasn't just been shit in the transfer market. He has a decent team here, his management has been dreadful. His transfers have actually not been that bad aside from not addressing glaring weaknesses of the side because he believed in his captain a bit too much.
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We're sixth, that's what decent players get you. It's why West Ham are fifth, they too have a decent team.

When I say he's been shit in the transfer market I'm also talking about the players he hasn't signed, like a CF and RW.
 
Bobcat said:
Agreed

The league that year was also a lot tougher. City had about the same team, just two years younger, Liverpool had their strongest season in eons, Arsenal was heir usual and Chelsea had not imploded yet. This year however, Van seems to miss out on the bare minimum, and this is while Liverpool and Chelsea have been shite for a good part of the year. He also managed feck up the easiest CL group we could hope for, and bar a miracle against WH, will have no chance in any cups either

Some people say "we are not a sacking club", well what are we then? A club who accepts mediocrity? A club who has no ambition? The thing that really grinds my gears though is this:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/louis-van-gaal-tells-manchester-7521906

What the actual feck
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That's precisely what this club has been turned into.
 
Dobbs said:
We're sixth, that's what decent players get you. It's why West Ham are fifth, they too have a decent team.

When I say he's been shit in the transfer market I'm also talking about the players he hasn't signed, like a CF and RW.
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There are teams above us who don't really have much better squads and a lot of teams who play far better football with inferior squads.
 
Sarni said:
There are teams above us who don't really have much better squads and a lot of teams who play far better football with inferior squads.
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Disagree I think City, Arsenal and Spurs have better XI's than we do. I think Leicester have three players in important positions performing at a level significantly higher than any of our players. Hence the gap.

I really think people are still overrating our players after nearly two years of dross.
 
Dobbs said:
Disagree I think City, Arsenal and Spurs have better XI's than we do. I think Leicester have three players in important positions performing at a level significantly higher than any of our players. Hence the gap.

I really think people are still overrating our players after nearly two years of dross.
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I think City are slightly better while Arsenal and Spurs should be around our level. Bottom line is the team that Ferguson left and van Gaal largely inherited was consistently beating them, it did not need to be dismantled the way it was.
 
Sarni said:
I think City are slightly better while Arsenal and Spurs should be around our level. Bottom line is the team that Ferguson left and van Gaal largely inherited was consistently beating them, it did not need to be dismantled the way it was.
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There's no point in keep regressing to Fergie's team. That was nearly four years ago, it had a prime RVP in it. Since then Arsenal and Spurs have improved. It's pointless.

Back to current day. Looking at the league I had to go all the way down to Palace before finding a team whose striker(assuming Martial is LW) wouldn't get in our team.
 
If I concentrate on LVG being our manager, I go through this emotional roller coaster over and over.

Angry
Disgust
Sad
Self pity
Confusion
Horny
Rage
Frustration
Bitter
Miserable

Again and again
 
Dobbs said:
Disagree I think City, Arsenal and Spurs have better XI's than we do. I think Leicester have three players in important positions performing at a level significantly higher than any of our players. Hence the gap.

I really think people are still overrating our players after nearly two years of dross.
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Possibly, but VG and moyes have been so bad, they would feck up the current Barcelona team, that is how bad they are. This club's board still thinks they are better than everyone else, that they are a special club that do not sack managers by having this mentality they do things different, if VG is here next year I guarantee they are hoping VG is going to do a Fergie, and then hand the keys over to giggs if VG is here next year. But like I say if VG manages to get to his third year they either hoping VG does a fergie, or going ahead with the plan giggs becomes the next manager, which would round off the freefall this club is currently in, and the complete catastrophe the way this club has been handled since fergie left.

The timeline
From fergie - The chosen one - the Philosophy - Ex players choice

Which will round off complete horrible choices adding to this clubs decline, instead of the common sense choices
 
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Looking at our squad and the team that has been starting regularly I'm actually surprised we still have a chance at making the top 4 or winning the fa cup, its the worst starting 11 we have had in many years. Still that is down to LVG, he elected to get rid of our good players for whatever reason. Its easy to say that the likes of RVP, Nani and Hernandez were dead wood but we sure could use them now, they are winners and most importantly can score goals. I hope this is all part of a plan but it feels like we need to go back to the drawing board.

Its not all doom and gloom though, we just need some better players and a better manager.
 
Weve scored 37 league goals in 29 games. Our highest scorers have 7 goals each. This is pathetic stuff.
Vardy and Kane combined have scored more.
 
Where did the idea that we aren't a sacking club come from? Fergie was on the verge of being sacked. Before him Atkinson, Sexton, Docherty, O'Farrell, McGuinness....weren't they all sacked?
 
Livvie said:
Where did the idea that we aren't a sacking club come from? Fergie was on the verge of being sacked. Before him Atkinson, Sexton, Docherty, O'Farrell, McGuinness....weren't they all sacked?
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It's mainly because of Fergie and Matt Busby.
 
Oneunited26 said:
Possibly, but VG and moyes have been so bad, they would feck up the current Barcelona team, that is how bad they are. This club's board still thinks they are better than everyone else, that they are a special club that do not sack managers by having this mentality they do things different, if VG is here next year I guarantee they are hoping VG is going to do a Fergie, and then hand the keys over to giggs if VG is here next year. But like I say if VG manages to get to his third year they either hoping VG does a fergie, or going ahead with the plan giggs becomes the next manager, which would round off the freefall this club is currently in, and the complete catastrophe the way this club has been handled since fergie left.

The timeline
From fergie - The chosen one - the Philosophy - Ex players choice

Which will round off complete horrible choices adding to this clubs decline, instead of the common sense choices
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That's a lot of hypothetical stuff to be annoyed about.

I don't get this accusation the board feel they're above sacking managers. Moyes got sacked after eight months. If LVG goes at the end of the season (seems likely) that'll be two in three years.
 
Livvie said:
Where did the idea that we aren't a sacking club come from? Fergie was on the verge of being sacked. Before him Atkinson, Sexton, Docherty, O'Farrell, McGuinness....weren't they all sacked?
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It was something Neville in particular was keen on repeating ad nauseam both in the summer Moyes was hired and then throughout the following season. It was a stress on the idea that United wouldn't become a club like Chelsea and Madrid where they have a new man in every season or two because they hadn't won the league.

I understand the idea that managers shouldn't just be fired for not winning the league or for going a season without a trophy, but it's clear that we've gone too far the other way. Ancelotti for example, was very unlucky to be sacked from both clubs. But football has changed so much from when Ferguson first took charge, and the crucial thing was that he stayed so long because he was successful - not the other way round. Wenger not winning a trophy for 10 years shows that longevity only gets you so far. The board was clear hoping Moyes would be a sort of 'Ferguson II' because he'd been at Everton a long time, so they gave him a ridiculous contract of 6 years in the hope things would carry on as normal. Other successful teams change manager every few years though. Bayern got rid of Van Gaal the season after he'd won the league and had got them to the Champions League final, they've had Pep in for three years and will move on. Barcelona's period of dominance over the last decade or so has seen four managers since Guardiola took over.
 
Dobbs said:
Looking at the league I had to go all the way down to Palace before finding a team whose striker(assuming Martial is LW) wouldn't get in our team.
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Seriously?
What striker would you say that West Ham has that would be better than ours? there top scorer is Payet with 11 who is a midfielder. Both Rooney and Martial out score him.
How about Southampton? Who is better than what we have, Pelle or Long both have 9 goals?
Liverpool? Who rarely play a striker and have had Firmino top score with 9.
West Brom? Rondón has only scored 8 times.
Bournemouth? Can't even come up with an option.
Watford I would take Ighalo tomorrow but I'm not sure how well he would fit in.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Seriously?
What striker would you say that West Ham has that would be better than ours? there top scorer is Payet with 11 who is a midfielder. Both Rooney and Martial out score him.
How about Southampton? Who is better than what we have, Pelle or Long both have 9 goals?
Liverpool? Who rarely play a striker and have had Firmino top score with 9.
West Brom? Rondón has only scored 8 times.
Bournemouth? Can't even come up with an option.
Watford I would take Ighalo tomorrow but I'm not sure how well he would fit in.
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Well first of all I said assuming Martial is left wing, which he is most of the time. Obviously I'm not claiming these are better than Martial.

You'd have Sturridge from Liverpool along with Benteke. I'd have Pelle, Berahino, King from the club's you mentioned. I even think the the West Ham strikers would give us more this season.

I'm not taking into account injuries etc but talking in the general sense of options and quality up front.
 
soapythecat said:
For those knocking match going fans who applauded LvG last night - what do you do when you got to OT? Do you actually go to OT? If you want match going fans to boo him off the pitch then get your ass to OT and stop moaning about it on an Internet forum that will have ZERO relevance to the outcome of our manager situation.
I want him gone as much as the next fan, but I don't boo him or the players. I was at the West Ham game and there was very little, if any booing from the crowd.
Don't knock people who make the effort to go watch this shit.
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I did, for years, and I still do – though far less often than I'd like to these days.

I see us as being pretty far apart in this LVG debate as such, but I'm with you on this. The tendency on here to “criticize” (that's a euphemism) match going fans for NOT booing is damnable. It speaks volumes, as they say.

I won't elaborate.

But I've been wanting to say something along these lines for a long time, just happened to see this particular post.
 
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