LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

[Adebesi]

"LvG is an idiot, useless, hasn't got a clue, sucks the life out of players, etc. etc." It's all bollocks!!!

The fact is that the players aren't good enough (it's not LvG who, for example, marks a player on the wrong side or fails to complete an easy clearance) and the squad still lacks balance, no matter who the manager is. Should LvG go? It's probably in the best interest of the club. LvG has spent 300M without much progress and the football is too often boring as feck. It's difficult to defend that.
On the other hand, LvG is willing to give youngsters a chance and is putting in foundations for his successors to build on (rather than just providing short term fixes). The positives aspects of LvG's work won't become apparent until several seasons from now. Further to that, none of us can really judge on the work being done behind the scenes.
So if you really do care for the long term success of our football club, Paul Scholes included, then I think it is wise to keep an open mind and consider things from a more broad & long term perspective.

You have to assume if he had any short term fixes he would use them, or he must be the most altruistic manager in the world, happy to fail for the good of his successors.

I agree it is simplistic to lay this all at the manager's door, but most of it has to go there, even if your diagnosis is correct. It is the manager's job to buy the right players, to balance his squad, to motivate his players, to ensure they make the right decisions on the pitch. If they arent doing that, the buck stops with the manager. These players are perfectly capable of marking players on the right side and competing easy clearances, to use your examples: the fact that they arent is what people are referring to when they say Van Gaal has "sucked the life out of the players."

 

[SirAF]

Although i would not want Mourinho at this club, he is way better an option if the other option is Giggs.

However with Everton being purchased recently, would be an attractive proposition with some money flowing in and they having a good base? I would say yes, United might have to fight it out with them if Mourinho is available and Martinez is kicked out which might not happen but you never know.

Whichever club it is, it is already a done deal. Mourinho confirmed it yesterday that he'll be joining his new club in july.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

"LvG is an idiot, useless, hasn't got a clue, sucks the life out of players, etc. etc." It's all bollocks!!!

The fact is that the players aren't good enough (it's not LvG who, for example, marks a player on the wrong side or fails to complete an easy clearance) and the squad still lacks balance, no matter who the manager is. Should LvG go? It's probably in the best interest of the club. LvG has spent 300M without much progress and the football is too often boring as feck. It's difficult to defend that.
On the other hand, LvG is willing to give youngsters a chance and is putting in foundations for his successors to build on (rather than just providing short term fixes). The positives aspects of LvG's work won't become apparent until several seasons from now. Further to that, none of us can really judge on the work being done behind the scenes.
So if you really do care for the long term success of our football club, Paul Scholes included, then I think it is wise to keep an open mind and consider things from a more broad & long term perspective.

Hope this is a WUM, if the players are so crap , then who decided to spend the money on them, LvG is the one living in the past. He doesn't know how to win.
Fellaini on French TV last night said, "the players respected the game plan but we didn't create enough chances" - what does this tell you

 

[The Purley King]

What is hard to fathom is how he described Fellaini as the best player on the pitch.
The only people who agree with that statement are him, Fellaini's Mum and Fellaini's pet tortoise (Alan).
If that is what he really thinks then there is no hope. Every other player has to play in the u21s for weeks until they are ready, this clown comes back immediately and plays a full 90 whilst stinking the place out finishing up with a sly off the ball elbow.
Just feck off out of it now LVG, its embarrassing.

 

[Adebesi]

What is hard to fathom is how he described Fellaini as the best player on the pitch.
The only people who agree with that statement are him, Fellaini's Mum and Fellaini's pet tortoise (Alan).
If that is what he really thinks then there is no hope. Every other player has to play in the u21s for weeks until they are ready, this clown comes back immediately and plays a full 90 whilst stinking the place out finishing up with a sly off the ball elbow.
Just feck off out of it now LVG, its embarrassing.

One of the commentators - think it was Trevor Francis - said he was our best defender on the night as well. Though to be fair whether that adds any more credibility than Alan the Tortoise is another question.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Has he gone yet. If it was up to me he wouldn't have got back on the coach.

 

[JPRouve]

Hope this is a WUM, if the players are so crap , then who decided to spend the money on them, LvG is the one living in the past. He doesn't know how to win.
Fellaini on French TV last night said, "the players respected the game plan but we didn't create enough chances" - what does this tell you

It can't be LVG's fault, so the players misunderstood the game plan.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

It can't be LVG's fault, so the players misunderstood the game plan.

Sadly this could be closer to the truth than you think, it looked as if they had no idea what to do and furthermore looked as if they didn't have the desire to do it, because they now realise that this "game plan" doesn't work

 

[JPRouve]

Sadly this could be closer to the truth than you think, it looked as if they had no idea what to do and furthermore looked as if they didn't have the desire to do it, because they now realise that this "game plan" doesn't work

I'm fairly sure that they have absolutely no clue about how the game plan works, but that's on the manager.

 

[Garethw]

eugh.. not this again. Its a load of bs.

if you really think that foundations are being laid by playing the likes of McNair, Love, etc then I despair for the future. He's playing the kids out of pure necessity, nothing else. Otherwise, why didn't he start Varela etc from the start when he clearly didn't rate Rafael? He'd rather play a winger (Valencia, Young) at RB

last night we saw Rashford playing some kind of wingback role. How is that helping him develop as a CF? His impact has been scoring goals, play him there if you're going to play him.

He's given up on his philosophy it seems so what foundations is he laying exactly? I'll tell you what, lowering expectations and accepting mediocrity!

Excellent post!

 

[Robbie Boy]

eugh.. not this again. Its a load of bs.

if you really think that foundations are being laid by playing the likes of McNair, Love, etc then I despair for the future. He's playing the kids out of pure necessity, nothing else. Otherwise, why didn't he start Varela etc from the start when he clearly didn't rate Rafael? He'd rather play a winger (Valencia, Young) at RB

last night we saw Rashford playing some kind of wingback role. How is that helping him develop as a CF? His impact has been scoring goals, play him there if you're going to play him.

He's given up on his philosophy it seems so what foundations is he laying exactly? I'll tell you what, lowering expectations and accepting mediocrity!

This.

 

[Garethw]

Sadly this could be closer to the truth than you think, it looked as if they had no idea what to do and furthermore looked as if they didn't have the desire to do it, because they now realise that this "game plan" doesn't work

LVG has pretty much already admitted that once he's set the team up, discussed tactics with them and sent them out onto the field there's nothing more he can do from the bench. It's the reason why we never see him on the touch line barking instructions etc.

It's utter utter bollocks and begs the question that if he truly believes this, why sit on the bench at all? Why not go and sit on his boyfriend Woodwards lap in the luxurious directors box?

 

[Oneunited26]

The man who did those things is no longer at the helm. United are being left behind and teams like Liverpool and Spurs who were always behind us are getting ahead.

He has allowed all our rivals to blitz us on every front, he has called us living in the past, he has allowed Liverpool to take a comfortable lead. Klopp has not had a full season in charge yet, and already he could have won Liverpool a European trophy and CL football, the guy keeps making sin after sin after sin, and the board continue to keep him. Woodward for the second time in a row now, has let a manager to do a job so bad he has not saw the pattern and acted swiftly, only to save the club money. United maybe the only club that would keep a manager falling behind west ham now, not to mention Leicester, spurs and Liverpool

 

[#07]

 

[Oneunited26]

"LvG is an idiot, useless, hasn't got a clue, sucks the life out of players, etc. etc." It's all bollocks!!!

The fact is that the players aren't good enough (it's not LvG who, for example, marks a player on the wrong side or fails to complete an easy clearance) and the squad still lacks balance, no matter who the manager is. Should LvG go? It's probably in the best interest of the club. LvG has spent 300M without much progress and the football is too often boring as feck. It's difficult to defend that.
On the other hand, LvG is willing to give youngsters a chance and is putting in foundations for his successors to build on (rather than just providing short term fixes). The positives aspects of LvG's work won't become apparent until several seasons from now. Further to that, none of us can really judge on the work being done behind the scenes.
So if you really do care for the long term success of our football club, Paul Scholes included, then I think it is wise to keep an open mind and consider things from a more broad & long term perspective.

When will that be? like Barcelona 10 years after VG left lol

 

[The Purley King]

One of the commentators - think it was Trevor Francis - said he was our best defender on the night as well. Though to be fair whether that adds any more credibility than Alan the Tortoise is another question.

Trevor Francis is a complete bellend. The only thing rivalling my fury over the game last night was having to listen to that prick for 90 minutes.

 

[Treble]

Not sacking him back in December or at least after two consecutive losses vs Sunderland and Midgetland was a serious mistake. Now the whole season is going to crumble within a week, in a very painful way at that because we are playing against bitter rivals.

 

[The Purley King]

Another genuis decision. The kid has *never* played anywhere else than centre forward, so why not try him out as a winger in a massively important game?
I wonder if he does things like this so that if it turns out well he can say to everyone what a great manager he is and if it goes wrong just say nothing at all.

 

[Oneunited26]

Another genuis decision. The kid has *never* played anywhere else than centre forward, so why not try him out as a winger in a massively important game?
I wonder if he does things like this so that if it turns out well he can say to everyone what a great manager he is and if it goes wrong just say nothing at all.

And people were questoning why di maria choose paris over VG

 

[Rams]

eugh.. not this again. Its a load of bs.

if you really think that foundations are being laid by playing the likes of McNair, Love, etc then I despair for the future. He's playing the kids out of pure necessity, nothing else. Otherwise, why didn't he start Varela etc from the start when he clearly didn't rate Rafael? He'd rather play a winger (Valencia, Young) at RB

last night we saw Rashford playing some kind of wingback role. How is that helping him develop as a CF? His impact has been scoring goals, play him there if you're going to play him.

He's given up on his philosophy it seems so what foundations is he laying exactly? I'll tell you what, lowering expectations and accepting mediocrity!

How many starts has LvG given McNair and Love in 2016?
The reason why Rashford had to defend so much is because he had to keep tracking the fullback of Liverpool, not because he was playing right back. Which is also why LvG switched to the 5 at the back in the 2nd half (sorry Scholes, you're a legend but you're an emotional pundit, unlike Rio who actually did talk some sense and gave a more professional insight).

The aim for United has to be the most successful club in the World. I believe that in order to have sustained success at the highest level over a long term period, such as Barcelona or Bayern Munich are enjoying, you need to lay the right foundations in the club. You can’t just go out and buy success with expensive players or managers because in the long run you that will not bring you sustained success at the highest level.

Since 2008 United have been caught up and left behind. This is not the fault of Moyes or LvG. We need to catch up & overtake. In order to achieve this we need lay down the foundations. We need to find our identity, produce players from within our system that fit in with that identity and add on to that with quality players. I believe that this is what LvG means by philosophy, it’s a far broader meaning that just what happens on the pitch right now. And if you call that me accepting mediocrity, then you are very very very wrong.

 

[Witchking]

Whichever club it is, it is already a done deal. Mourinho confirmed it yesterday that he'll be joining his new club in july.

Going to be Pep all over again then I wish Fergie stops attending the matches. Don't think it's good for his health.

 

[Stretford End Phil]

Never believed in mid season sackings but will be glad if LVG has gone this summer. After last night we really cannot continue with this roller coaster of rotten, boring and useless football.

 

[SteveW]

Another genuis decision. The kid has *never* played anywhere else than centre forward, so why not try him out as a winger in a massively important game?
I wonder if he does things like this so that if it turns out well he can say to everyone what a great manager he is and if it goes wrong just say nothing at all.

Not defending LVG but I'm pretty sure Rashford played a lot of u18 football as a winger

 

[sunama]

He's become like a turd that refuses to be flushed away. And Woodward, presumably a filthy bastard, is happy to let it stink up the bathroom.

 

[Rolandofgilead]

we've been saying all this for about a year! He is not the right fit for English football this was abundantly clear after his first season.
Glad to see that there are now more and more fans opening their eyes to that!
However, the only way to force him out is for OT to erupt in boos and calls for his head for as long as he remains. why should the club sit up and take notice if they aren't feeling it?

This is it, we need to use our voices on Sunday.

 

[GBBQ]

Horrible match to watch but ultimately it should convince the powers that be that LVG is out of his depth.

 

[Earthquake]

Another genuis decision. The kid has *never* played anywhere else than centre forward, so why not try him out as a winger in a massively important game?
I wonder if he does things like this so that if it turns out well he can say to everyone what a great manager he is and if it goes wrong just say nothing at all.

Not defending LVG but I'm pretty sure Rashford played a lot of u18 football as a winger

Either wing and as a 10 behind the striker, which was expected to be his long term position.

Also, played the 2nd half of the Watford game as a right winger and was one of them main reasons we got back into the game, with an impressive showing out there(and far better than Martial was on the right).

 

[bcubed]

welcome to the party! anyone else wanna join? we could form a support group and have hugs

I joined well over a year ago. It's not hugs I need though it's subsidised hard alcohol.
I've been following United for very nearly 50 years and I never thought it would ever come to this - I am actually wanting us to lose to get rid of this arrogant, narcissistic Dutch arsehole.
Hopefully the next three games should do it.
On a side note, how fecking astute is young Rashford? Not signing that contract, who would?

 

[Bastian]

"LvG is an idiot, useless, hasn't got a clue, sucks the life out of players, etc. etc." It's all bollocks!!!

The fact is that the players aren't good enough (it's not LvG who, for example, marks a player on the wrong side or fails to complete an easy clearance) and the squad still lacks balance, no matter who the manager is. Should LvG go? It's probably in the best interest of the club. LvG has spent 300M without much progress and the football is too often boring as feck. It's difficult to defend that.
On the other hand, LvG is willing to give youngsters a chance and is putting in foundations for his successors to build on (rather than just providing short term fixes). The positives aspects of LvG's work won't become apparent until several seasons from now. Further to that, none of us can really judge on the work being done behind the scenes.
So if you really do care for the long term success of our football club, Paul Scholes included, then I think it is wise to keep an open mind and consider things from a more broad & long term perspective.

You can use that as an excuse for doing a shite job any place, any time.

Edit: Also, just because Scholes says a lot of stupid things, doesn't mean he isn't right about Louis not having delivered. He hasn't. He's played down expectations repeatedly. Then we cluster a few decent performances together and he talks about going to the top. It's an absolute joke by now.

 

[Bastian]

One of the commentators - think it was Trevor Francis - said he was our best defender on the night as well. Though to be fair whether that adds any more credibility than Alan the Tortoise is another question.

It was Trevor. Who had a lot of stupid things to say all night.

 

[PlayerOne]

Think he's a bit lost and he's trying to be too smart for his own good, I will never, ever, understand what the feck he was trying to do last night. Yeah the players were awful, but at this stage it's a bit hard to judge some of them, not sure it's most of the players being beyond awful or just a useless manager being the main fault. Of course some of the players are not good enough, but what Klopp is doing at Liverpool is making LvG looking even more of a clown than he already is for me.

How he stayed after December is beyond me, club is run by some useless people it seems. Another season wasted.

 

[Adebesi]

It was Trevor. Who had a lot of stupid things to say all night.

As a partnership, the two of them were the commentary equivalent of Liam Miller and Eric Djemba Djemba.

 

[Oneunited26]

Even the newcastle board are not has stupid as the current one at united, hey its official, we have the worst board in the PL. When the newcastle board sees sense, we know something is wrong at MUFC. The same newcastle that managed to take 2 points off VG's united, let that sink in

 

[LuisNaniencia]

A sleeping Mignolet was carried off the pitch and tucked in his bed after the FT whistle.

He probably nodded off when he saw memphis step up for that free kick.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Has he gone yet. If it was up to me he wouldn't have got back on the coach.

I'd have taken him on the ferry across the Mersey and chucked him off halfway.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Horrible match to watch but ultimately it should convince the powers that be that LVG is out of his depth.

The sad thing is that you could apply your post to so many matches this season.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

You can use that as an excuse for doing a shite job any place, any time.

Edit: Also, just because Scholes says a lot of stupid things, doesn't mean he isn't right about Louis not having delivered. He hasn't. He's played down expectations repeatedly. Then we cluster a few decent performances together and he talks about going to the top. It's an absolute joke by now.

When we do cobble decent performances together, he promptly decides to change it again and goes back to his old ways. If something is working stick with it until it doesn't work.

 

[Rams]

You can use that as an excuse for doing a shite job any place, any time.

Edit: Also, just because Scholes says a lot of stupid things, doesn't mean he isn't right about Louis not having delivered. He hasn't. He's played down expectations repeatedly. Then we cluster a few decent performances together and he talks about going to the top. It's an absolute joke by now.

I'm not saying that LvG has delivered, not on the pitch anyway. I'm not making any excuses for anyone and I think that replacing LvG is probably right for the best interests for the club.
What I do want is not to be having this same discussion in another 4-5 years time. The problems United are facing right now are caused by the fundamentals at the club, and not as result of what is happening right now on the pitch. For example, the reason why Barca manage to remain successful despite a high turnover of managers is because Barca have got the right fundamentals in place.

 

[mu77]

LOL at "he's using youth" yes because he had to. he didn't know SFA about his first teamer's best positions let alone who any of these kids were. jog on , he's a clueless mashy faced twank from another time. 4-5 yrs down the road half the kids will be off to smaller clubs. they are playing because he left nothing like a squad needed for the prem.

 

[Adebesi]

I'm not saying that LvG has delivered, not on the pitch anyway. I'm not making any excuses for anyone and I think that replacing LvG is probably right for the best interests for the club.
What I do want is not to be having this same discussion in another 4-5 years time. The problems United are facing right now are caused by the fundamentals at the club, and not as result of what is happening right now on the pitch. For example, the reason why Barca manage to remain successful despite a high turnover of managers is because Barca have got the right fundamentals in place.

What do you mean by fundamentals? Are you talking about an overview of the academy and bringing in a director of football?